Brent Reilly - where is he at?

[twentydollarnote]

Is Reilly better in this video than now?

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thats a great point 4 years later hes basically back to half back where he started his career without actually 'making it' in the middle. Possible excuses he could have is due to our game plan to have our best disposers in defence and the other is injury which he cant really control, in the end tho he didnt make it.

 

[Hondo]

thats a great point 4 years later hes basically back to half back where he started his career without actually 'making it' in the middle. Possible excuses he could have is due to our game plan to have our best disposers in defence and the other is injury which he cant really control, in the end tho he didnt make it.

So you only "make it" if you get into the midfield? That means 80% of players don't make it then. Fine.

He was a promising junior who may have turned into a Tyson Edwards or Sam Mitchell, but he didn't. But he's still an AFL 1st 22 regular who gives a good contest and is one of the better users of the football in our side. To me, that's "making it".

Remember, Andrew McLeod has never been a midfield regular either. I am sure no-one is questioning whether he made it.

Be realistic in the expectations and judge him for what he is, not what we think he should have been by now.

 

[jenny61_99]

Well I must be one of very few that thinks that Reilly has played solid games so far this season. The most pleasing thing is to see that he is flexible enough to fit wherever he's required. I think he's actually going to work very well from defence... allowing the likes of Mackay, Van Berlo, Thompson, Dangerfield and Douglas to fill the mid-field ranks.

 

[twentydollarnote]

So you only "make it" if you get into the midfield? That means 80% of players don't make it then. Fine.

He was a promising junior who may have turned into a Tyson Edwards or Sam Mitchell, but he didn't. But he's still an AFL 1st 22 regular who gives a good contest and is one of the better users of the football in our side. To me, that's "making it".

Remember, Andrew McLeod has never been a midfield regular either. I am sure no-one is questioning whether he made it.

Be realistic in the expectations and judge him for what he is, not what we think he should have been by now.

macca played in the midfield for a number of years, only moved to half back as hes knees have got worse. The rest of i agree with, we probably wanted him to be more because of a few glimpses when he was younger and the midfield was a natural progression for him, but it hasnt really happened. Doesnt mean hes not in our starting 22, but hes not a key player for us either.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Well I must be one of very few that thinks that Reilly has played solid games so far this season. The most pleasing thing is to see that he is flexible enough to fit wherever he's required. I think he's actually going to work very well from defence... allowing the likes of Mackay, Van Berlo, Thompson, Dangerfield and Douglas to fill the mid-field ranks.

He's very flexible Jen. He plays soft, average football in any position we put him in. C'mon seriously, this guy has been in the system for 6 years, he's not going to get any better. I will give it to you he does use the ball well, but his tackling is woeful and for a senior player he has zero onfield presence.

I'm sure we can find a job for him somewhere in the back office, Phils assistant.

 

[jenny61_99]

He's very flexible Jen. He plays soft, average football in any position we put him in. C'mon seriously, this guy has been in the system for 6 years, he's not going to get any better. I will give it to you he does use the ball well, but his tackling is woeful and for a senior player he has zero onfield presence.

I'm sure we can find a job for him somewhere in the back office, Phils assistant.

Hmm, must be a problem if we have a player in the team that uses the ball well! Not ALL players are defensively minded. Not ALL players tackle tough. You and your bloody "hit em' hard" 80's style footy.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Hmm, must be a problem if we have a player in the team that uses the ball well! Not ALL players are defensively minded. Not ALL players tackle tough. You and your bloody "hit em' hard" 80's style footy.

Hmm interesting, so going in hard and tackling with more intent than 8 year old were left behind in the 80's were they Jen. Your love of jericho/reilly really does null and void any argument you have on the physical side of the game.

 

[jenny61_99]

Hmm interesting, so going in hard and tackling with more intent than 8 year old were left behind in the 80's were they Jen. Your love of jericho/reilly really does null and void any argument you have on the physical side of the game.

You are putting Reilly in the same basket as Jericho??? And you think what I say nulls and voids arguments!

The game has changed SC - for better or worse, the game has changed. Time you changed with it.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

You are putting Reilly in the same basket as Jericho??? And you think what I say nulls and voids arguments!

The game has changed SC - for better or worse, the game has changed. Time you changed with it.

You better tell Geelong and Hawthorn the game has changed. Because if aggression at the ball/opposition player and ferocious tackling are out dated, they're both still stuck in the 80's.

 

[jenny61_99]

You better tell Geelong and Hawthorn the game has changed. Because if aggression at the ball/opposition player and ferocious tackling are out dated, they're both still stuck in the 80's.

Aggression at the ball is far different to aggression at the opposition player - something with which you appear to be fixated. I don't see them (Hawthorn/Geelong) taking players out on a regular basis other than incidental contact. The aggression you push for is bone crushing and, if at all possible, injurious. That's not what footy is about anymore.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Aggression at the ball is far different to aggression at the opposition player - something with which you appear to be fixated. I don't see them (Hawthorn/Geelong) taking players out on a regular basis other than incidental contact. The aggression you push for is bone crushing and, if at all possible, injurious. That's not what footy is about anymore.

BS Jen. The aggression I have wanted is the type of aggression that all the good sides show, more about intimidation then king hits behind play.

 

[jenny61_99]

BS Jen. The aggression I have wanted is the type of aggression that all the good sides show, more about intimidation then king hits behind play.

Well then I've misread all of your posts then, because all I see is you wanting us to flatten someone. Apologies if this is the case.

 

[NTRabbit]

I think that, now, we're seeing the best that Reilly is ever going to be for us - a good B grade midfielder.

It's his 8th year in the system now and, despite his injuries, if he was going to become an A grade midfielder he would already have done so. Look through his draft, everyone - even KPP's - has already reached the point where you can definitively say A grade or not, with the exception of maybe Matt Maguire, and his injury problems make Reilly's look like a scratch.

 

[Hondo]

I think that, now, we're seeing the best that Reilly is ever going to be for us - a good B grade midfielder.

And if that's the best he's going to be, so be it. Can we let him off the hook then finally? So he hasn't turned into Chris Judd, well shoot him then.

Plenty of "good B grade midfielders" have played important parts in premiership teams of the past. Hawthorn's 2008 premiership side was built on those types.

I can't believe one single player has generated this much thread time built mostly on the fact that he hasn't reached the level some of us hoped he would.

 

[brent-83]

I think that, now, we're seeing the best that Reilly is ever going to be for us - a good B grade midfielder.

It's his 8th year in the system now and, despite his injuries, if he was going to become an A grade midfielder he would already have done so. Look through his draft, everyone - even KPP's - has already reached the point where you can definitively say A grade or not, with the exception of maybe Matt Maguire, and his injury problems make Reilly's look like a scratch.

Maybe, but perhaps we should actually play him in the midfield in a mainly outside role instead of relegating him to the back line where he clearly isn't comfortable and curbs his natural game.

I really liked the way we played on the weekend, fast and direct as possible, even if it cost us due to poor skills. This type of game is absolutely perfect for a player like Reilly and having him through the midfield and out on the wings would be great.

I am all for grooming players for the future, but Reilly isn't that old and really should be running through the midfield, not languishing in defense as an average defender.

 

[WALL-e]

Would love to see him in the middle feeding Tex. His kicks are a forwards dream.

 

[-CG-]

Would love to see him in the middle feeding Tex. His kicks are a forwards dream.

Agree!

He's wasted to a degree in defence, but we are short of defenders, especially now that Bock and Goodwin are out.

 

[WALL-e]

He's trying in defense, but it's not his strong point. Have to play to players skills and his is in the middle with ball use.

 

[Ozzie]

Yawn...another loss...another Reilly bash. He is now the new Jericho, I would take him over Van Berlo in a heartbeat.

 

[Fuddnuddler]

he's out of position, that's where he is...

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

He doesn't have the intensity or tackling ability to play in the middle. His defensive skills are not good enough to play on the half back flank. However he could be a good wingman using his best weapon, foot skills, to setup forward plays.

Its wing or nothing for radar IMO. He has been in the system for 7 years and still hasn't cemmented a spot. Time is running out.

 

[macca23]

And if that's the best he's going to be, so be it. Can we let him off the hook then finally? So he hasn't turned into Chris Judd, well shoot him then.

Plenty of "good B grade midfielders" have played important parts in premiership teams of the past. Hawthorn's 2008 premiership side was built on those types.

I can't believe one single player has generated this much thread time built mostly on the fact that he hasn't reached the level some of us hoped he would.

Good post.

There's been a massive amount of biased non-factual negative opinion posted about Reilly which only makes the posters look like they know very little about the game.

We don't have 22 stars in our squad. Not even Geelong has that.

Reilly plays an important role in our team, and contrary to Springy's misinformation, he was one of our hardest and most reliable mid-fielders until injured in round 5 of 2007. 2008 was another year in which he had setbacks with injury.

Most of Reilly's injuries have been impact injuries because he does have plenty of courage.

Personally I'd like to see him back in the mid-field where his excellent disposal would be very handy in feeding the forwards.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Good post.

There's been a massive amount of biased non-factual negative opinion posted about Reilly which only makes the posters look like they know very little about the game.

We don't have 22 stars in our squad. Not even Geelong has that.

Reilly plays an important role in our team, and contrary to Springy's misinformation, he was one of our hardest and most reliable mid-fielders until injured in round 5 of 2007. 2008 was another year in which he had setbacks with injury.

Most of Reilly's injuries have been impact injuries because he does have plenty of courage.

Personally I'd like to see him back in the mid-field where his excellent disposal would be very handy in feeding the forwards.

I see what your saying Mac but the Crows midfield of 2 years ago and now are completely different. Back in 2005/2006 Reilly was surrounded by bigger/more experienced bodies to help carry the load. Now its Reilly's turn to be that bigger/experienced body he has been left wanting. Shows that trying to turn a naturally outside player into an inside player rarely works. Not really his fault, you are what you are. Let him play to his strengths.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I really liked the way we played on the weekend, fast and direct as possible, even if it cost us due to poor skills. This type of game is absolutely perfect for a player like Reilly and having him through the midfield and out on the wings would be great.

Good call.

Look at the Bulldogs on Sunday. Their best, most probing deliverers of the football by foot were the ones featuring high in their Inside 50 stats:
Gilbee - 8
Akermanis - 5
Eagleton - 5
Cooney - 4

These four players had 60 kicks between them, with 1 in 3 being an Inside 50.

Whereas our best deliverers barely had an impact:
Vince - 3
McLeod - 3
Reilly - 1
Mackay - 1

These four players had 40 kicks between them, just 1 in 5 being an Inside 50.

 

[jackster83]

Comparing Reilly's stats compared to IMO similar players:

Player Totals for Season 2009
Player MT K Avg H Avg D Avg M Avg HO Avg T Avg FF FA G Avg B SC Rat Avg
Brent Reilly 7 67 9.6 69 9.9 136 19.4 25 3.6 1 0.1 16 2.3 3 7 0 0 1 1 462 66
James Kelly 7 69 9.9 77 11 146 20.9 30 4.3 1 0.1 12 1.7 3 0 1 0.1 2 8 511 73
Jed Adcock 7 60 8.6 74 10.6 134 19.1 26 3.7 0 0 33 4.7 5 3 3 0.4 1 19 553 79
Steven Salopek 7 119 17 65 9.3 184 26.3 43 6.1 0 0 8 1.1 5 4 1 0.1 3 9 650 92.9
Totals 28 315 11.2 285 10.2 600 21.4 124 4.4 2 0.1 69 2.5 16 14 5 0.2 7 37 2176 77.7

Reilly isn't doing too badly considering he is playing in a weaker side than the rest of them. I think there is still a reasonable gap between how he is playing and his best, although he is playing better than the crap he dished up in round 1 and 2. He needs to eradicate those "absolutely plum" holding the ball frees against.