Brisbane Blueprint

[Tiger_Of_Old]

brisbane,s dominance over the competion is down to one thing.depth in their midfield and ironically not an over realiance on a quality ruckman.rather a capable tall to contest the centre bounce and at throw ins and their midfeild being able to read the opposition ruckman.
i put this possible senrio half jokingly at the time on another thread but the more i think about and the knowledge that Greg Miller would certainly entertain the idea and no doubt has the balls to at the very least "investigate" the following senerio:

Ottens for Luke Ball[stk]
Hodge into the PSD-Hawks cant re draft Hodge.

we lose Ottens but gain to gun Midfeilders and more importantly we keep our 1st rnd draft picks.

and if wallace is the coach this senerio would be right up his alley considering you look at the bulldogs side at the time he was there.

your thoughts?


cheers!

 

[itsintheblood]

I'd take it in a flash.

Ruckmen are not as important as they were 20 or 30 years ago.

With the possession game these days, ruckmen are not as involved.

 

[1980GFVideo]

I get the feeling TOO, that Ottens is going to leave on his own choice unless the new coach is able to really press a good case for him staying.

But given his departure is likely to happen we need to consider the following if you are going to use Brisbane as a blueprint.

Brisbane have a top notch backline while we struggle in that area. Cambpell and Gaspars future will need to be established before we can really determine which way we go. Most likely both.

When Ben Holland kicks goals against us we know we are in trouble in defence.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

GFV.i understand that the lions do have a good backline and certainly compliment their midfeild ours certainly is very undermanned.however a midfield will always keep you ahead and the saints backline is yet another perfect example when it comes to midfeilds/backlines.
Granted we need to strengthen our backline however if this senerio was to eventuate then both our 1st rnd picks can be on KPP,s[eg:franklin/roughead/willetts].
in the meantime i believe kel Moore will be our next full back while schultz i believe is better suited at chb.

cheers!

 

[1980]

And Brisbane have Jonathon Brown. We fall over at CHF.

 

[Coach Required]

The midfield would have to be our number one priority IMO

one way to help out your defence is to have a midfield capable of applying enough pressure on the the opponents midfield plus getting quality supply into our fwd line.

although cogs and brown are good the rest cant cut it. Tivendale is a receiver, campbell is past it, krakeour would be better off as a permenant crumbing fwd, newman would be a better half back flanker, raines, roach needs time to develop.

Midfield is the key and whats the point of having Ottens as our ruck anyway when all he is good for is to tap the ball right down opponents throats at the take aways.

Ottens for Luke Ball, I'd trade that anyday.

 

[JohnF]

We lack everything, midfield, forwards, backmen, bench warmers, the works.

We need to improve all areas

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by Coach Required

although cogs and brown are good the rest cant cut it. Tivendale is a receiver, campbell is past it, krakeour would be better off as a permenant crumbing fwd, newman would be a better half back flanker, raines, roach needs time to develop.

No Johnson?

cheers!

 

[Coach Required]

Originally posted by tiger of old
No Johnson?

cheers!

+ 1 Johnson



still 3 players doesnt cut a Midfield like Brisbane who have 6 -7 players who all cant rotate and are all quality.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Originally posted by Tiger of Old
GFV.i understand that the lions do have a good backline and certainly compliment their midfeild ours certainly is very undermanned.however a midfield will always keep you ahead and the saints backline is yet another perfect example when it comes to midfeilds/backlines.
Granted we need to strengthen our backline however if this senerio was to eventuate then both our 1st rnd picks can be on KPP,s[eg:franklin/roughead/willetts].
in the meantime i believe kel Moore will be our next full back while schultz i believe is better suited at chb.

Thats true TOO but i guess with Ottens the real concern is that we get something in return.

It will be a huge hit to lose a ruckman who we picked at pick 3, all of those years ago and have been developing. Too often clubs lose out when a player makes a concious decision to leave the club. We wont be doing a Port Adelaide and losing him for nothing but someone like
Ball would leave you satisfied. Miller is capable of ensuring we dont get burnt

At the end of the day we need to make sure we get quality for him. I guess in that particular trade you would be looking for a midfielder.

 

[IDGAF]

Getting tired of talking about it . I`d trade Ottens in a flash . Top tap ruckman ? Where do they go . No passion

Wisk him off to Adelaide for thier first pick and a good kid while he is still worth something

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i am reluctantly in agreeance, by the time we are a premiership threat he will be getting older anyway. The crows would give us thier first pick and a player for him so go for it i reckon.

 

[NQTIGER]

why this constant Otto bashing, play him up forward, staffo in the ruck.....and see the goals come

 

[Steve76]

Would not be as quick to trade Ottens as some - surely under the right coaching he could be trained turn his dominance at the ruck to belt the thing forward at each opportunity rather than tapping to sub-par midfielders who cannot win possession.

A new coach with some semblance of a gameplan and tactical nous would see our opinions of many players revised.

 

[sante]

i agree with Steve76, a new coach, eg. WALLACE could turn around a lot of our players like, Fiora, Ottens, Rodan, Pettifer (Is playing well ATM), Krakouer (he is doing well though) and Wallace would further develop some other youngsters like Schulz, Roach, Hartigan, Moore and so on

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Ottens = Untouchable

 

[oxx]

Hard to forget Frawley boasting about the HUGE improvement in our midfield pre season.

We supposedly had more depth than the Pacific in that area - Yeah right !

Another exciting thing we were supposed to look forward to was a perfect forward line with Richo,Ottens and Staff playing tall while Kraks,rodan and all the resting "rotating" midfield crumbed.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO@That.

Thing to consider is,if we had Wallace or Eade this year it MAY have been a remote possibility.

What a fukcing complete failure u are spud and whats even worse is u dont have the guts to come out and admit you cant coach nor ever will be able to but instead hide behind people like your wife until the heat dies down and u can get another job on the premise u r a nice guy but bloody clueless.

The Daniher brothers are farm lads but are 50 times sharper than Danny.

Danny , u r just a perrenial Loser.
Just look at your career and TRY to convince us otherwise.
LMAOOOOOOOOOO@The AFL public knowing u're the worst thing,possibly ever,to happen to coaching but you being clueless.

STILLLROFLMFAOFOOOOO@Anita going on the footy show and using her charm to quell the anger directed at you.

I cant believe big tuff danny frawley is such a spineless baby.



Fake-ars,pathetic hypocrite.
Get him the fukc out of Punt Road ASAP.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by oxx
Hard to forget Frawley boasting about the HUGE improvement in our midfield pre season.

We supposedly had more depth than the Pacific in that area - Yeah right !

Another exciting thing we were supposed to look forward to was a perfect forward line with Richo,Ottens and Staff playing tall while Kraks,rodan and all the resting "rotating" midfield crumbed.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO@That.

Thing to consider is,if we had Wallace or Eade this year it MAY have been a remote possibility.

What a fukcing complete failure u are spud and whats even worse is u dont have the guts to come out and admit you cant coach nor ever will be able to but instead hide behind people like your wife until the heat dies down and u can get another job on the premise u r a nice guy but bloody clueless.

The Daniher brothers are farm lads but are 50 times sharper than Danny.

Danny , u r just a perrenial Loser.
Just look at your career and TRY to convince us otherwise.
LMAOOOOOOOOOO@The AFL public knowing u're the worst thing,possibly ever,to happen to coaching but you being clueless.

STILLLROFLMFAOFOOOOO@Anita going on the footy show and using her charm to quell the anger directed at you.

I cant believe big tuff danny frawley is such a spineless baby.



Fake-ars,pathetic hypocrite.
Get him the fukc out of Punt Road ASAP.

thank you oxxx for your valuable contribution to this thread.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Oxx, I can see you wanting to chair him off the ground at the end of the Swans game. Eager to be one of the supporter groups that give him a big applause and says good luck and thanks for the effort.

I guarantee that there will be a Tiger contingent that gives him a warm sentimental send off and ill bet the players do something sentimental at the end of the game like all shake his hand.

For that reason, I wont go to that game as I havent vomitted in public since my younger heavy drinking days.

To make this relevant to the thread, The brisbane blueprint was based around getting people like Mathews and O'Donnell who know what success is leading the club and appointing a hard at it captain like Voss who is initiating something everytime he gets near the ball.

Is ours slightly different to that do you think?

 

[oxx]

Originally posted by tiger of old
thank you oxxx for your valuable contribution to this thread.

Thanx for another smartars snipe.

 

[BulldogMike]

The Tigers have some potential on their list.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by oxx
Thanx for another smartars snipe.

your welcome!

cheers!

 

[CJH]

Do not trade Ottens. That would be a very dumb thing to do. Ottens with a midfield that is coached to play aggresively will make him a superstar.

Before we start looking at filling positions on the ground, we need to get the off-field setup right. Goodbye to CC; a new CEO; a new Coach and a new captain that commands respect both within and outside the club.

We then will need to develop no-nonsense, low cost defenders with some big bodies who can play on the gorillas.

Our midfield isn't that far off the pace. With the right coaching. The only problems that we have is that we are coached to have numbers behind the ball and are told to go chip-chip-chip sideways.

There is also no point in recruiting dud 'reserve' players. They serve no use whatsoever to the list as they are not capable at the senior level.

We should have a core list of about 25 senior players and the rest developing youth.


And we must must must keep Richo!

 

[Bojangles17]

Originally posted by NQTIGER
why this constant Otto bashing, play him up forward, staffo in the ruck.....and see the goals come

thats half the prob ..in 2001 he looked every bit a key forward now he's a ruckman and average KF, I cant recall the last time he kicked more than 1 goal in a game and he's spent plenty of time down there....I wont be too pi#$ if he elects to go, although i expect that the new coach may haev a totally different view to all of us

 

[Crumden]

Originally posted by tiger of old
brisbane,s dominance over the competion is down to one thing.depth in their midfield and ironically not an over realiance on a quality ruckman.rather a capable tall to contest the centre bounce and at throw ins and their midfeild being able to read the opposition ruckman.

tiger of old, I think you are underestimating Keating as a ruckman and the influence he has had for Brisbane in Grand Finals. Having battlers in the ruck may get you to the finals, but once you're in the finals (where most of the top teams have good midfields and ruckmen) I think you need a good bigman to make an impact.

Ask Collingwood supporters if they could have had one player over the last two years, they would say a ruckman. They may even have stolen a premiership 2 years ago if they had a decent ruckman. Even last year Brisbane was much more dominant with Keating rucking than when he was resting.

Why does Sheedy resurrect the careers of guys like Barnes and Allan? Because he's hoping that come finals time the occasion will bring back their best form, or at least cause some headaches. This September I won't be surprised if St Kilda are wishing they had Everitt running around.

I don't subscribe to the view some people express that Ottens taps it to the opposition. He is second in the league for hitouts to advantage. I have previously given my views on why we don't win the clearances in another thread (here)

Also, he is still a year or two away from when ruckmen usually start hitting their prime (and played a lot of his earlier career as a forward rather than a ruckman). While he is too predictable, that can be improved with proper coaching. If we are happy to make the finals just to make up the numbers, trading Ottens may be an option. But if we want to have any impact once we are there, we should hold onto him.