Broughton

[Freo Shark]

Oh boo hoo.

You can call me a know it all if you like, seeing as most of what I said on the Mitch Brown thread proved to be correct.

Anyway, despite the in's and out's that go with a new coach settling in, I hope you guys give the top 4 a shake.

Didnt call you much really, just asked you to **** off.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

A mate of mine just mentioned to me te below:

Collingwood trade/fa period

Out:
Wellingham
Dawes
Young

In:
Lynch
C. Young
Russell
Pick 17
Pick 21


Bond.... That is how you operate you muppet

 

[caterina]

Personally, other than Jon griffin, I don't think bond has made one decent move during a trade period.... And even griffin was because Adelaide were trying to do the right thing by him.

Hard to disagree with this. He does have 23.5 hours to redeem himself though

 

[apuchar]

Oh boo hoo.

You can call me a know it all if you like, seeing as most of what I said on the Mitch Brown thread proved to be correct.

Anyway, despite the in's and out's that go with a new coach settling in, I hope you guys give the top 4 a shake.

Ok mate. some of us a little disappointed that's all. Sounds like Freo (or Lyon more precisely) wanted him out, so they sent him somewhere that suits him and took a crap deal in return. What they do with that crap deal is all that matters now.

 

[Freo Shark]

Doesnt take 23.5hrs to write a resignation letter.....there you go KPR

 

[Outshined]

I know we all have a tendency to overrate our players' worth, but 37 for Broughton is laughably bad. They'd want to nail that selection now, and hopefully not with another skinny flanker.

Pretty woeful trade period for Fremantle. Anyway, best of luck Broughts, hope you don't make Bond and co. look too stupid in hindsight.

 

[prattsta]

Just because Freo played well without Broughton in the team it doesn't mean he isn't best 22. He isn't just depth IMO.

I'm a Broughton fan, but I can see how he could get squeezed out of the 22 this season. What is his role in the backline? Where does he rank in our midfield? He was the most expendable of our players with value.

None of that excuses the poor list management that has lead to this situation.

 

[Ghost Pig]

A mate of mine just mentioned to me te below:

Collingwood trade/fa period

Out:
Wellingham
Dawes
Young

In:
Lynch
C. Young
Russell
Pick 17
Pick 21


Bond.... That is how you operate you muppet

Don't underrate the significance of the title "Premiership Player" KPR.

It's not like any of our players have ever come from an even moderately successful prolonged period at the club.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Doesnt take 23.5hrs to write a resignation letter.....there you go KPR

Haha true. Bond has done some great things with the club, the Lyon coup was a master stroke, but gee his recruitment both in the draft and in the trade period is really wanting.

Don't underrate the significance of the title "Premiership Player" KPR.

It's not like any of our players have ever come from an even moderately successful prolonged period at the club.

Whilst that may be true, they don't accept crap... They decide what is beneficial for them, target clubs that have needs, and then stick to their guns. Wellingham for 17 is just an unbelievable deal for them. Dawes for 21!! They knew that they were in a position of power with Dawes because he was contracted, so they bled Melbourne for all they could.... What does bond do? He pushes a contracted guy out the door, bends over and takes it..... He either is too stubborn or he is too easy..... I'd love to be playing him in poker.

Anyway, I think I've gone from anger and should be moving on to rationalisation soon.... Hopefully I can end up at acceptance

 

[Alfonz]

I'm a Broughton fan, but I can see how he could get squeezed out of the 22 this season. What is his role in the backline? Where does he rank in our midfield? He was the most expendable of our players with value.

But the trade indicates we didn't actually get any value from him. His role would have been to do what he has done in the past. Play as a small defender, and do it better than all of Spurr, Duffield and Ibbotson.

Oh well, I hope he focuses his efforts on catching some good waves on the GC. A whole lot better than being in Perth for surfing.

 

[nurries]

Broughton was contracted right?

Well I say what has happened is that GC have agreed to pay ALL of his final year contract which is reported to be about 400K and the payback was a shittier pick. Something is afoot, not sure why we are trying to clear out so much Cap space this year?

 

[believe_it]

Was it decided he was at the back of the queue for spots in the back 6 ?

No. It was decided he was at the front of the queue of blokes who could cover for our injury depleted midfield.

Apart from Fyfe for a period we didn't have an injury depleted midfield last year . Broughton was being switched to a forward role and it didn't work.

Clearly Broughton on face value is worth more than 37 . However for whatever reason it was determined by the club that this deal was acceptable going forward. We have and are continuing to build greater depth which makes the task of balancing the list a harder juggling act.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

A mate of mine just mentioned to me te below:

Collingwood trade/fa period

Out:
Wellingham
Dawes
Young

In:
Lynch
C. Young
Russell
Pick 17
Pick 21


Bond.... That is how you operate you muppet

That's well and good but getting players to a Melbourne club, especially one like the pies, is much easier than getting them to come to freo. Wellingham and Dawes wanted to go, Young is overrated. Dees and weagles happy to pay overs, even though they don't appear to think so. Clubs pay and get what they're happy with.

 

[apuchar]

Broughton was contracted right?

Well I say what has happened is that GC have agreed to pay ALL of his final year contract which is reported to be about 400K and the payback was a shittier pick. Something is afoot, not sure why we are trying to clear out so much Cap space this year?

Yeah something may play out. Seems a really strange move in isolation.

 

[pavsbootlace]

Apart from Fyfe for a period we didn't have an injury depleted midfield last year . Broughton was being switched to a forward role and it didn't work.

Clearly Broughton on face value is worth more than 37 . However for whatever reason it was determined by the club that this deal was acceptable going forward. We have and are continuing to build greater depth which makes the task of balancing the list a harder juggling act.

Mundy missed the start of the year. Barlow started as the sub in the first few weeks and Fyfe missed a massive chunk of the pre-season. So Broughton was put in the middle.

 

[apuchar]

That's well and good but getting players to a Melbourne club, especially one like the pies, is much easier than getting them to come to freo. Wellingham and Dawes wanted to go, Young is overrated. Dees and weagles happy to pay overs, even though they don't appear to think so. Clubs pay and get what they're happy with.

Yes, and most WA players who want to come back to Perth want to play for the Eagles not us. It's hard work for Freo.

 

[estibador]

Haha true. Bond has done some great things with the club, the Lyon coup was a master stroke, but gee his recruitment both in the draft and in the trade period is really wanting.

Nothing wrong with our drafting since Bond took over. Over half our best 22 have been recruited since Bond's first year in 2008.

In that time we've pulled off a complete rebuild through the draft to the point where we're a serious top 4 contender next year. I only count about 10 players on the whole list who were here before Bond started.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

Yes, and most WA players who want to come back to Perth want to play for the Eagles not us. It's hard work for Freo.

You mean wellingham and cripps. That's two and i doubt many freo supporters would want them anyway. Griffin was happy to come home to us, dick didn't care either way. Unless there are ties to either club or a pre-existing history, I'd say most players would be happy either way.

 

[prattsta]

But the trade indicates we didn't actually get any value from him. His role would have been to do what he has done in the past. Play as a small defender, and do it better than all of Spurr, Duffield and Ibbotson.

Like I said earlier the money is the main factor. His contract was clearly an issue, if the best we could do was pick #37. Port even knocked him back...

Would I prefer Broughton in the 22 over Spurr or Ibbotson? Of course. If none of them are being used as a distributor out of defence though - even more likely now that Pearce has been added - how much difference is there really? Spurr is literally a poor man's Broughton.

 

[caterina]

Nothing wrong with our drafting since Bond took over. Over half our best 22 have been recruited since Bond's first year in 2008.

In that time we've pulled off a complete rebuild through the draft to the point where we're a serious top 4 contender next year.

Agreed, our record at the draft in terms of the players picked is very good. Bond's contribution to that is probably not huge besides the fact that he got a few pick upgrades to give Lloyd and co. a better shot at it
The trading record is not good. The list imbalances that have developed are also not so good.

 

[apuchar]

Overs, Unders... calm down folks.


18 teams in the competition means that picks 1 to 36 give on average 2 players a year to clubs. Supposing that all players played for 11 years uninterrupted, that would give a team of 22.


So in the perfect world, a starting 22 where all players play uninterrupted for 11 years is equivalent to picks 1 to 36.


Reality and perfect players are radically different. Greg for pick 37 is within reason for a starting 22 player and not a bad upgrade given that we picked him up for pick 73.


It depends on how good you think he is as to if he should be worth a higher pick. But compared to a 23 year old with 5-8 years of possible service and that he is 27 and injury prone, GC won't get many years of value for him and so his trade value is less.

Cox at age 26 for pick 37. He was a rookie pick.

Anyway its unders for Boughton by any reasonable measure, but we will just have to make something good out of it. Which we probably will, just doubt it will be tall, if recent history is anything to go by.

 

[prattsta]

Cox at age 26 for pick 37. He was a rookie pick.

Anyway its unders for Boughton by any reasonable measure, but we will just have to make something good out of it. Which we probably will, just doubt it will be tall, if recent history is anything to go by.

You don't want to be taking talls at pick #37 anyway. If we're going by history, then anything outside of a top 5 pick is a complete crap shoot.

 

[apuchar]

Like I said earlier the money is the main factor. His contract was clearly an issue, if the best we could do was pick #37. Port even knocked him back...

Would I prefer Broughton in the 22 over Spurr or Ibbotson? Of course. If none of them are being used as a distributor out of defence though - even more likely now that Pearce has been added - how much difference is there really? Spurr is literally a poor man's Broughton.

Port wouldn't even pay for their own players.

Yet we are playing Spurr and not Broughton. For what reason? If it had of gotten us a tall we needed or improved our draft position significantly I could understand it. but none of this has happened. Yet.

 

[malpaso]

Agreed, our record at the draft in terms of the players picked is very good. Bond's contribution to that is probably not huge besides the fact that he got a few pick upgrades to give Lloyd and co. a better shot at it
The trading record is not good. The list imbalances that have developed are also not so good.

Yeah that work didn't mean anything..

 

[Boppo]

Buddy chasing next year?