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Bond may not be great in trade week/month, but him and Lloyd tend to draft very well IMO, so we should be very confident of getting a good player at 37. Could be a win/win still. Broughts will have a shot of playing in a flag with GC, their midfield is going to be amazing in a couple of years.
 
Jentleman Geff said:
What's retrospective about making calls at the time and standing by them?
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My apologies - can you just link me to your posts where you made the big call about Fyfe?
 

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Moo said:
My apologies - can you just link me to your posts where you made the big call about Fyfe?
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What big call? I had no problem with the Fyfe pick and stand by it. I had a massive problem with the Pitt pick and stand by it. You don't see the consistency?

I recall you having trouble with Freo not selecting Black and being in support of Pitt. Do you see the inconsistency?
 
Jentleman Geff said:
What big call? I had no problem with the Fyfe pick and stand by it. I had a massive problem with the Pitt pick and stand by it. You don't see the consistency?

I recall you having trouble with Freo not selecting Black and being in support of Pitt. Do you see the inconsistency?
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No mate you recall wrongly, I was pretty happy with Fyfe.

In recent times -

Didn't want Tarrant
Didn't want Croad but then again I may have taken Polak with pick 1 so we just won't go there
Was happy to get Des
Thought we overpaid for Carr
Wanted Clark
Wanted Rich over Hill and Nic Nat over both, Swift over Balla would of been nice too at the time I mused

Pitt over Darling - can fault it now but Pitt was a classy jr mid and as weak as our KP's are, well our midfield has not exactly been A class.

Harvey stopped the rot in this place when he took Palmer, fought to keep the Mayne pick and got Kepstar. If we didn't take Darling as we thought he was a risk off the field - good on em for building a culture.

Ross wanted Broughton out - at this stage Ross has so many brownie points that if I came home and found him and my wife ....I may not immediately throw out the notion that there is a nude wheelbarrow race on next week.
 
yakka man said:
GC have an end of first round compensation pick which would've been pick 22 in this years draft. That would've been a fair trade.
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would have made no difference to this year's draft. doubt they would have parted with it anyway, given the number of kids they might lose next year, they'd have wanted to keep it up their sleeve.
 

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Summary
Bit surprised he wasn't going to have many opportunities next year, was told this by staff.
Didn't get opportunity to play down back this year. Coach was clear, his role was defensive forward.
Bluey McKenna keen to play him across half-back.
Did have a medical here in Perth, didn't fly to Gold Coast. Back is fine, finger finished season.
Very surprised at how quick the deal was done, contacted in morning, traded by afternoon/evening.
Living arrangements - not sure, going to Arizona this weekend for preseason camp.
Looking forward to high altitude training, excited for new opportunity.
 
rgauci said:
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Bit surprised he wasn't going to have many opportunities next year, was told this by staff.
Didn't get opportunity to play down back this year. Coach was clear, his role was defensive forward.
Bluey McKenna keen to play him across half-back.
Did have a medical here in Perth, didn't fly to Gold Coast. Back is fine, finger finished season.
Very surprised at how quick the deal was done, contacted in morning, traded by afternoon/evening.
Living arrangements - not sure, going to Arizona this weekend for preseason camp.
Looking forward to high altitude training, excited for new opportunity.
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So the coach thought his role was defensive forward, ergo part of the team. He wantd to play across half back so looked for other opportunities
 
tants said:
So the coach thought his role was defensive forward, ergo part of the team. He wantd to play across half back so looked for other opportunities
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But going forward lack of opportunities made clear - reckon Lyon has Mellington earmarked for that spot in 2013, he likes the cut of Mello's jib.
 
I still don't like the fact that the club accepted a mediocre trade simply because Lyon didn't rate him as part of his game plan. In last years trade week we were perhaps to ruthless this year not ruthless enough.

Anyway time for me to build a bridge.
 
Good luck to him, hope the locals at d-bah give him a few quality waves.

Basically he wasn't in Ross's best back six, which held up very well at the back end of the year, without Broughts. Anyone who thinks we'll miss him should rewatch our games from the end of the year. We played a game built around team defence and manic workrate which didn't quite match up with Brought's defensive, close checking, one on one style .He would be depth as a inside mid also.

No problem with trading him, but perhaps if we put him on the table earlier other clubs may have been able to shuffle their cap space to make him worth a higher pick, or maybe we could have agreed to pay a bit of it.

Now we can only hope that Adelaide lose their first rounder and someone picks Jacobs to shuffle us up a couple of spots in the draft.......35 and 38 sound better than 37 and 40.
 

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kp junior said:
Bond may not be great in trade week/month, but him and Lloyd tend to draft very well IMO, so we should be very confident of getting a good player at 37. Could be a win/win still. Broughts will have a shot of playing in a flag with GC, their midfield is going to be amazing in a couple of years.
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I used to agree with this, but of late I'm starting to think our drafting isn't ahead of the pack at all. Fyfe was a stroke of genuis granted.

But Pitt (20), Michie (44), Houghton (38), Crichton (48), Suban (24) not so much. Are we really that good at identifying young talent?

I realize we have done well in the Rookie drafts but does that cover for struggling in the middle rounds? It shouldn't.
 
sabre_ac said:
I used to agree with this, but of late I'm starting to think our drafting isn't ahead of the pack at all. Fyfe was a stroke of genuis granted.

But Pitt (20), Michie (44), Houghton (38), Crichton (48), Suban (24) not so much. Are we really that good at identifying young talent?

I realize we have done well in the Rookie drafts but does that cover for struggling in the middle rounds? It shouldn't.
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I think our player development in the past has been very poor. Only since Ross arrived has the squad had to meet professional standards. Most of our picks this year have all looked very decent.

Most of the countries best young kids are graded by the AFL draft guru's anyway.
 
sabre_ac said:
I used to agree with this, but of late I'm starting to think our drafting isn't ahead of the pack at all. Fyfe was a stroke of genuis granted.

But Pitt (20), Michie (44), Houghton (38), Crichton (48), Suban (24) not so much. Are we really that good at identifying young talent?

I realize we have done well in the Rookie drafts but does that cover for struggling in the middle rounds? It shouldn't.
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Surely anything above 30 in the draft is a bit of a lottery..............also people may think we do well in the rookie draft but we might take 4 or 5 picks so even getting 1/2 right is a low hit rate. People forget the Connelly's/Roberts''s when they talk about our success in the RD. Taking mature agers helps as a short term fix.
 
yakka man said:
I think our player development in the past has been very poor. Only since Ross arrived has the squad had to meet professional standards. Most of our picks this year have all looked very decent.

Most of the countries best young kids are graded by the AFL draft guru's anyway.
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Agreed, I think it's pretty obvious Lyon does appear so far to be getting the best out of our players.

We have a history of loading up on one type of player for a few drafts and then turning our attentions to another without attempting to cover all areas. I think the AFL draft guru's are usually spot on in the first round or there abouts, round 2 it starts to fluctuate and this is where club recruiting managers earn their keep.

I deliberately excluded 2011 picks because its too early too judge, there wasn't a big first year impact player we have become accustomed to.
 
I'm fairly sure that if you dig up our young players names drafted from +50 onwards or the rookie draft and lined them up against mature age players out of state leagues etc. taken +50, PSD or Rookies - Then the strike rate of good players from the mature agers is a startlingly better outcome. Broughton was just one of those and we have had many more too in recent times. But not too many of our 18yo's picked late have been anything but list clogging flops.
For quite a while now I have thought a great strategy is to trade for high picks - pick the eyes out of the best young blokes with the first 3 to 4 choices and then mainly use late picks, PSD and RD on the best talent at state leagues where blokes have at least shown they can match it with men already.
 

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