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apuchar said:
I think a lot here recognise we need to do something about our KP stocks, so someone of quality was going to have to go. Especially if you end up with picks 17 and 40. It's the reality but it doesn't mean I like it.
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But theres the rub for ignoring the KP for so long. It appears there is a sacrifice needing to be made in order to acquire a higher pick. It will piss me off if we do trade out Broughton a good player and we draft skinny flankers with the early picks.

Gawd forgive me for saying this but the Eagles seem to regularly draft talls in each draft relatively high.
 
Freo Shark said:
But theres the rub for ignoring the KP for so long. It appears there is a sacrifice needing to be made in order to acquire a higher pick. It will piss me off if we do trade out Broughton a good player and we draft skinny flankers with the early picks.

Gawd forgive me for saving this but the Eagles seem to regularly draft talls in each draft relatively high.
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West Coast have had more and better picks to throw at tall's over the years, while we were trading all of our picks away getting quick fixes that ended up leaving soon after.That is the unfortunate reality
West coast also only got Kennedy through the Judd deal and the other main tall's recently they got during their tank of the century year where they picked up Lycett and Darling (who most clubs were too scared to recruit). The big question will be whether we would have been better off with McInness rather than Crozier (who i think will be a little gun). If we recruit well for talls in the next couple of years it won't matter, if we don't, it is a major stuff up. I reserve my judgement for now.
 

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Jentleman Geff said:
No, he isn't. Have you bought into the Hawthorn hubris or something? Young is a decidedly ordinary half back flanker with a decent kick. I can't believe how many dead ordinary players at Hawthorn get the dry stroking from other fans just because they play in a side with Franklin & Mitchell.
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Young is a gun footballer on his day who has had several years of injury trouble. Would be best 22 in any side in the comp.
 
The issue isn't trading Broughton. It's trading him for some shitty pick like #25. We'd have about 10% chance of getting anyone better than Broughton with a pick in the 20s, plus the odds are they would not contribute much during our premiership window in the next few years.
 
Judging on how people here rate him we would definitely be able to get a fair deal done, currently we have a few picks that we wont be using but we also have a couple of players that will be traded as well as a couple of zone selections that can be traded. We would most likely have one or two early second round or late first round picks to trade.

We aren't really in need of another small defender at the suns, but we are in desperate need for inside mids. What type of midfield role can Broughton play??? sorry for my ignorance, but I have never paid close attention to him.
 
Alfonz said:
The issue isn't trading Broughton. It's trading him for some shitty pick like #25. We'd have about 10% chance of getting anyone better than Broughton with a pick in the 20s, plus the odds are they would not contribute much during our premiership window in the next few years.
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Exactly. I can see a fullback line of Broughton, McPharlin and McPhee as being premiership quality.
 
IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN said:
Young is a gun footballer on his day who has had several years of injury trouble. Would be best 22 in any side in the comp.
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No he's not. 'His day', as with a lot of marginal Hawks players, was the GF. They didn't come up. Young wouldn't be best 22 for us.
 
You need someone like Broughton in the modern game who has the tank to play a midfield type role in the backline. There must be some issue with him and Ross and you don't go from 3rd in the B&F to being moved around like Jack Anthony in a year. Hopefully he can overcome it because he'd be in our top 10 easily.
 
greatgatsby said:
No he's not. 'His day', as with a lot of marginal Hawks players, was the GF. They didn't come up. Young wouldn't be best 22 for us.
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Yeah, because we have an abundance of mobile forwards that can reliably kick goals from 50+. If he was fit he'd take Mayne's/Clarkes/Walters role in our forward line due to his penetration. Problem is he has an issue staying fit.
 

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Memories said:
Yeah, because we have an abundance of mobile forwards that can reliably kick goals from 50+. If he was fit he'd take Mayne's/Clarkes/Walters role in our forward line due to his penetration. Problem is he has an issue staying fit.
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All of Mayne, Clarke and Walters are better than Young. All Young can be 'relied on' to do is to give up crucial goals in the last quarter of Grand Finals.
 
Alfonz said:
The issue isn't trading Broughton. It's trading him for some shitty pick like #25. We'd have about 10% chance of getting anyone better than Broughton with a pick in the 20s, plus the odds are they would not contribute much during our premiership window in the next few years.
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Agree

If we trade for a player it needs to be on the same level of contribution, if it's a pick it is therefore a gamble and it needs to be high enough that we have a decent chance at picking up someone who will be better in the future.

Any pick over 20 and the odd's go out a fair way, I know it's the trade board I am quoting but the talk of pick 13 from Gold Coast should be priority number 1. Package him with another senior player if need be.
 
IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN said:
What did Farmer do in his place? Certainly didn't win AA.
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Farmer didn't replace him. The reason we traded him was because we didn't think the small forward option was working for us. Medders was predictable in his latter games at Freo. Every time he got the ball in the forward pocket near the boundary he would wheel around and try to snap it. Failed more often than not. Farmer's run and chase alone outweighed Medders skills.
 
CQSUN said:
Judging on how people here rate him we would definitely be able to get a fair deal done, currently we have a few picks that we wont be using but we also have a couple of players that will be traded as well as a couple of zone selections that can be traded. We would most likely have one or two early second round or late first round picks to trade.

We aren't really in need of another small defender at the suns, but we are in desperate need for inside mids. What type of midfield role can Broughton play??? sorry for my ignorance, but I have never paid close attention to him.
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Opinion is mixed of course, but basically he's a player that has shone as HBF that can both shut a player down and be very damaging with the ball, he's very savy, strong but a clean player and knows how to get into the play. He can play midfield and has had some good games there, especially at lower levels, but also at AFL. Though he doesn't have a great leap, he is very good overhead for his hight too which serves him well in HBF role, has very sure hands, dependable disposal and physically very strong. Has a very good tank, but I wouldn't call it elite. Injury issues may have taken a touch off his tank in recent times.

Can he play inside mid? Yeah he can, but I wouldn't call it his strong suit. He could certainly pinch-hit in a team like GC when the younger guys need a strong body in there ... but he's no enforcer either.

His down-sides IMHO are that he's not fast over the ground, he knows where to be and he's very efficient, but there's no doubt he can get caught out for pace. Secondly, he does have recent injury concerns. Though he's bounced back strongly enough, he's not been able to see out the last two seasons due to back issues, a broken finger was his final issue this year, but he was carrying a back problem before that.
 
I would prefer Broughton to stay and get games ahead of Spurr, Ibbo, and even Duffman.

It looks like he wants out because he doesnt seem confident Lyon will play him, so we need to try and get something good out of it.
I seriously doubt any club will be willing to give up a top 20 pick for him, so something between 20 - 30 is the best we can get out of it.

So due to what i said above i would accept 25 from the saints for Broughton.



Ideally he would stay here an prove to Lyon he is our best small defender option.
 

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Sman-21 said:
I would prefer Broughton to stay and get games ahead of Spurr, Ibbo, and even Duffman.

It looks like he wants out because he doesnt seem confident Lyon will play him, so we need to try and get something good out of it.
I seriously doubt any club will be willing to give up a top 20 pick for him, so something between 20 - 30 is the best we can get out of it.

So due to what i said above i would accept 25 from the saints for Broughton.



Ideally he would stay here an prove to Lyon he is our best small defender option.
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Where have we actually heard this. I've seen it posted here and there, I've not read every post in this thread, but I've yet to see anything firmly suggesting that he's happy to go. The only thing I've heard are tentative feelers from Port and Saints, and even that was vague.
 
Memories said:
Yeah, because we have an abundance of mobile forwards that can reliably kick goals from 50+. If he was fit he'd take Mayne's/Clarkes/Walters role in our forward line due to his penetration. Problem is he has an issue staying fit.
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I don't think Young's ever played forward before. I thought he was exclusively a wing or HBF?
 
The only plausible reason to let Broughton go for little return would be personal issues with Lyon, or his underlying back injury is much more serious than the club wants to let on.
 
Alfonz said:
The only plausible reason to let Broughton go for little return would be personal issues with Lyon, or his underlying back injury is much more serious than the club wants to let on.
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Wondered about this myself .Maybe they don't see eye to eye - it happens . Perhaps he didn't "buy in". We don't deal in speculation though do we?

I think I am on record as saying Broughton at his best is a quality footballer but as a defender.Was it decided he was at the back of the queue for spots in the back 6 ? I am a glass half full person but his movement up the ground last season I found a bit of a concern. Didn't think it worked but failure is feedback.

Not sure what was going on but when talk of him moving came out this week - well I was kinda half expecting it. If you have got somebody who can play as well as we know he can - you don't let them go if you can help it. And yes there are deliberate Lyonisms in my post - not quite sure why I just felt like it.
 
Lach72 said:
Our defence got stingier as the season went on. Team defence overcame our previous deficiencies against small forwards.

For a crack at two KPF I'd take it.
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Agree Lach. But its how good a crack would we get at a KP is the issue. A pick in the 20's is undervaluing his value to us and as Alfonz said its hit n miss.

Almost any player is tradeable but get value for him!
 

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