Broughton

[Jentleman Geff]

Is that right? World according to Phil?

Nope. Those with inside knowledge at the club know Lloyd didn't rate Fyfe but Smart did.

I mean, what are you giving Lloyd praise for? Getting Hill with pick three? Morabito with pick four? By and large the club has decided to us all it's picks in recent years, so therefore we have a higher yield across drafts.

Pitt's the closest thing to a 'Stribling' type pick I've seen for many, many years. Stribling was pick 67. Not pick 20.

 

[Lach72]

Nice selective quoting.
Between Pavlich and Mayne we have about 4 players of use. Yes we traded some out. Stupidly.
But we had at least 3 first round picks in that time. None are still with the club. 4 if you include Palmer.

The whole strategy and the drafting has improved. Barlow, Broughton (coach sent him on his way you'd think) Spurr. Good to fantastic players on the cheap. Pitt looks like a bust and others such as Anthony have not worked.
Dawson did. Walters and Pearce as late picks. Clayton Collard anyone?
KPR is wanking off about Sheridan as the next best thing since Jesus at Peel. But the drafting is shit. It's wank.


To cap it off I think we played the best footy this club has ever played last year.
We'll see whether the kids brought in over this and previous drafts flourish

 

[Lach72]

I mean our first 5 picks in 2008 plus Pearce and De Boer played in the finals last year. Barlow. Spurr. Dawson. Fyfe. Mzungu. Since Lloyd and Bond took over.

 

[theGav56]

Can I check, are there posters on here who would prefer us to still have Smart doing our drafting and recruitment?

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Nice selective quoting.

Selective quoting of what? The rest of what you wrote wasn't worth replying to.

Bond and Lloyd are held up as of faultless messiahs by most on this board. Just interjecting a bit of perspective.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Anyway it's looking like Broughton for pick 36 now.

Thanks Adelaide.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Fyfe was a fluke and you don't rate Morabito.

And yeah some success with rookies.

But yeah let's discount all of that...because they're shit.

WTF is Lachie Neale and Cam Sutcliffe?

You do realise that people raved about bollenhagen. Neale and sutcliffe are completely unreadable at this point. No point bringing them up.

First round picks are usually winners, hill and morabito should be stars, hill he, morabito I'm not so sure about.... I just want more from our later selections. Will pick 37 give more than broughton? History says no

 

[mr.11]

Draft order still has us at pick #60...Thought we traded that with Broughton?!?!?!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/148933/default.aspx

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

Selective quoting of what? The rest of what you wrote wasn't worth replying to.

Bond and Lloyd are held up as of faultless messiahs by most on this board. Just interjecting a bit of perspective.

The perspective ought to be that nobody gets it right all of the time. If we create a spectrum of crap to great (dees to pies) we'd be somewhere in the third on the pies side. In many ways we've inly recently moved out of being an amateur club and into a professional one, with all the teething problems that brings. Unfortunately, the attempts we've made to recruit KPFs haven't worked out, as it hasn't worked out for the Hawks with their KPDs. I would hope we rectify that in the next couple of months but those vilifying the current administration for their misses are simplifying matters. By all means demand excellence, but don't move the goals posts to suit your argument. Nothing is as simple as bitching about shit from the luxury of your keyboard.

 

[Lach72]

You do realise that people raved about bollenhagen. Neale and sutcliffe are completely unreadable at this point. No point bringing them up.

First round picks are usually winners, hill and morabito should be stars, hill he, morabito I'm not so sure about.... I just want more from our later selections. Will pick 37 give more than broughton? History says no

Neale and Sutcliffe have both played more games than Sheridan. He's the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

The perspective ought to be that nobody gets it right all of the time. If we create a spectrum of crap to great (dees to pies) we'd be somewhere in the third on the pies side. In many ways we've inly recently moved out of being an amateur club and into a professional one, with all the teething problems that brings. Unfortunately, the attempts we've made to recruit KPFs haven't worked out, as it hasn't worked out for the Hawks with their KPDs. I would hope we rectify that in the next couple of months but those vilifying the current administration for their misses are simplifying matters. By all means demand excellence, but don't move the goals posts to suit your argument. Nothing is as simple as bitching about shit from the luxury of your keyboard.

My problem is with people on being quite willing to slam everything about Freo pre-2008 and praise everything about the current club blindly, while missing the fact that it was a only couple of bad elements at the club that kept it back. One they were moved on and the recruitment and development processes were set to be more in line with how most premiership clubs operate, we were always going to be a club that featured in the top half.

The thing is, if this era ends up going **** up without a premiership you can expect the same people saying the same thing about the current lot.

 

[Lach72]

Selective quoting of what? The rest of what you wrote wasn't worth replying to.

Bond and Lloyd are held up as of faultless messiahs by most on this board. Just interjecting a bit of perspective.

I don't think they're faultless at all. I think they a lot better than what we had, and since they took over we have over half out finals side drafted.
And the bit you left out went directly to your argument using Shane's quote. 7 years of drafting for basically nothing.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

You do realise that people raved about bollenhagen. Neale and sutcliffe are completely unreadable at this point. No point bringing them up.

First round picks are usually winners, hill and morabito should be stars, hill he, morabito I'm not so sure about.... I just want more from our later selections. Will pick 37 give more than broughton? History says no

History says it can go either way. If we relied on history, broughton himself should never have made it. Our recent history suggests that we're more likely to pick well in the later rounds than the early ones.
Ask the dees if first round picks are usually winners and look at their development and player management and then look at the cats. To my mind the thing that determines whether a player is recruited is on talent, what determines if they have a career is for a large part, the club they're recruited to.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Can I check, are there posters on here who would prefer us to still have Smart doing our drafting and recruitment?

No but I would have liked us to chase mat rendell. And look for another footy manager. We are in the est shape we have ever been, but we are still miles behind west coast, collingwood, hawthorn, Sydney and I would have said Adelaide although they seem to be imploding.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

I don't think they're faultless at all. I think they a lot better than what we had, and since they took over we have over half out finals side drafted.
And the bit you left out went directly to your argument using Shane's quote. 7 years of drafting for basically nothing.

Drafting wasn't exactly the foremost policy of the football department.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Neale and Sutcliffe have both played more games than Sheridan. He's the best thing since sliced bread.

Sheridan has a hell of a lot more clubs in his bag, had he not gotten injured I'm certain he would have played more than both those two combined. His speed with his hands and work off the ball is better than any new player I have seen. Be sceptical that's fine, but your thinking of my rating of Sheridan being crazy, to me is the same of everyone's blinding love for motabito

 

[pavsbootlace]

Neale and Sutcliffe have both played more games than Sheridan. He's the best thing since sliced bread.

Relevance? Tom Swift played more games than all three of them.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

My problem is with people on being quite willing to slam everything about Freo pre-2008 and praise everything about the current club blindly, while missing the fact that it was a only couple of bad elements at the club that kept it back. One they were moved on and the recruitment and development processes were set to be more in line with how most premiership clubs operate, we were always going to be a club that featured in the top half.

The thing is, if this era ends up going **** up without a premiership you can expect the same people saying the same thing about the current lot.

It was only when hart, Schwab and cuddles came that we started to move into the professional stakes, with the completion being overseen by the Steves, bond and Lyon.
If people are going to judge this era by whether it not we get a premiership, then they're no better than the opposition supporters who give us stick for not having one. But any clear-eyed observer can see we're positioning ourselves as we'll as anyone else for a tilt, on and off the field. That's longterm planning for a winning culture. Given how hard it is to win a premiership, a winning culture is what you should demand as a member. the cup is the cherry on top.

 

[Lach72]

So what? We have Johnson, Crowley, Mundy and Sandi picked from 2000-2006 who are any good. Have I forgotten anyone else drafted?
So 1psd, one main draft, one main draft/de-list and re-rookie and Mundy. 7 drafts resulting in 4 players if my numbers are right?

 

[Lach72]

Relevance? Tom Swift played more games than all three of them.

KPR is arguing Sheridan is the best thing Peel has ever had, while saying Its too early to judge the other two.
On available evidence how can you argue that?

 

[pavsbootlace]

KPR is arguing Sheridan is the best thing Peel has ever had, while saying Its too early to judge the other two.
On available evidence how can you argue that?

It's too early to judge on any of them. Number of games played is irrelevant.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

So what? We have Johnson, Crowley, Mundy and Sandi picked from 2000-2006 who are any good. Have I forgotten anyone else drafted?
So 1psd, one main draft, one main draft/de-list and re-rookie and Mundy. 7 drafts resulting in 4 players if my numbers are right?

You don't remember the coaching staff breaking up the side at training into those that are best 25 and the rest can sort themselves out? You don't remember the stories (unconfirmed) that draftees wouldn't get played if form demanded because match payments would tip us over into breaching the salary cap?

How do you reckon any new draftee goes under such a regime?

 

[Lach72]

Sheridan has a hell of a lot more clubs in his bag, had he not gotten injured I'm certain he would have played more than both those two combined. His speed with his hands and work off the ball is better than any new player I have seen. Be sceptical that's fine, but your thinking of my rating of Sheridan being crazy, to me is the same of everyone's blinding love for motabito

No it's not the same at all.

Sheridan played WAFL and one game of AFL where he contributed not much.
Morabito played a whole season of good, not great, footy including a final where he kicked a fine goal.
After two knee reconstructions he may come back and be Sean McManus. Who knows?

Sheridan may turn out to be Peter Matera, but at the moment you've got some games for the worst team in the WAFL to base it on.

 

[Lach72]

You don't remember the coaching staff breaking up the side at training into those that are best 25 and the rest can sort themselves out? You don't remember the stories (unconfirmed) that draftees wouldn't get played if form demanded because match payments would tip us over into breaching the salary cap?

How do you reckon any new draftee goes under such a regime?

How did those four go?
Mundy and Johnson barely missed a game once drafted.

I forgot Ibbotson in my previous post, too.
Schammer got games. Murphy got games. Polak got games. They weren't good enough and/or weren't developed properly.
There's a lot to your argument too of course. The whole structure changed to include Simon Lloyd etc.

But you look at the high draft picks wasted and the ones traded and I think it possibly highlights a lack of trust in the recruiters as well as wilful stupidity.

 

[estibador]

That I true, but I want to know why every other team has a success story ala drew Petrie... I know we have had some reasonable success with the rookie list, but we just don't seem to get anything really of value past the second round

Which is why I'm so upset about broughton for pick37.... History shows that the pick will be worthless for us

Crowley #55
Mayne #40
Mellington #56
Clarke #37
Walters #53

Neale #58
Sutcliffe #71

Not bad for a bunch of worthless picks. Looks like a few success stories there to me.