Mega Thread Buckley Contract extension

[NathanMX]

Moore is not even close to being elite. What a dumb comment.

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Meh, some Bombers fans call McDonald-Tipungwuti elite and Flog Darcy even called him the little champ so it is all relative.

Then again you probably call Daniher elite too

Agree with everything you said except Darcy Moore is not elite, a talented kpp no doubt. It's too much of an ask for him to carry the forward line especially the way Collingwood enter their f50.

Hard for anyone though to shine even if elite when you are the lone target up forward most of the time. Not even sure Lance Franklin or Jeremy Cameron could do it by themselves but give Darcy time, the kid is gonna be good.

 

[PieLebo87]

He's right. How can a side that relies on a 21 year old inconsistent key forward be good enough for the top 8?

We don't rely on a 21 year old KPF. Our two top goal kickers are medium/smalls and average 1.5 and 2 goals a game in 2017. Can you tell me who WCE relied on in their Grand Final years and if they had a couple of big forwards who dominated?

Look at the sides in and around the bottom few spots of the 8 right now. Essendon, Melbourne, Fremantle, Western Bulldogs, Richmond, St Kilda and Geelong.

The only side there with a real average forward line would be Fremantle's and they haven't consistently looked like a top 8 team so far.

Port is 4th and have one KPF in their top 10 goal kickers so far this season. WB are another who don't have that dominant KPF and won a flag.

Collingwood's forward line isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Guys like Fasolo, Elliott and Hoskin-Elliott are dangerous in any side. It's all about how the footy comes in to them that makes them dangerous.

I've watched a fair bit of Collingwood this year. They have the ability to get close to or knock off some good teams because they have a good midfield. They're not consistent at all because you cannot rely on your midfield to win you games.

Generally it's midfields that wins games for all teams. I can't quite comprehend how any part of a ground other than a midfield can win you a game of footy. Who feeds the forwards and makes them look good?

Again, Collingwood's midfield is good at making itself look good, but not it's forwards, and that comes down to its delivery inside 50 and their ability to move the ball quickly from one end to the other.

It's not like we're seeing fast ball movement then the forwards cocking it up.

Being in winning positions and blowing it doesn't just relate to Buckley. You can't dominate periods or quarters of games and barely kick any goals and simply blame it on the coach. A team resorting to play someone as useless as Mason Cox as a forward target has glaring holes.

You can blame it on the coach when the game plan implemented doesn't allow for smooth transition from the back half to the forward half. Or the ability to delivery the footy inside 50 in a structured/fluent manner. These have been the glaring issues for Collingwood so far this year.

If not for Levi's rich vein of form (by his standards) Cox would be your #1 KPF at Carlton, so I'd steer clear of the flaccid trolls.

 

[PP34]

We don't rely on a 21 year old KPF. Our two top goal kickers are medium/smalls and average 1.5 and 2 goals a game in 2017. Can you tell me who WCE relied on in their Grand Final years and if they had a couple of big forwards who dominated?

Yes you do. Who else is there to provide a big target around the ground?

West Coast of 2006 are irrelevant. That was a different era of footy when teams were flooding and kicking some awfully woeful scores. The AFL has moved on from that era. Get with the times.

Elliot and Fasolo are handy players but when they're the guys carrying the forward line that's worrisome.

It's good to see like Buckley you totally neglect the forward line though like it's an irrelevant part of the game.

Port is 4th and have one KPF in their top 10 goal kickers so far this season. WB are another who don't have that dominant KPF and won a flag.

Collingwood's forward line isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Guys like Fasolo, Elliott and Hoskin-Elliott are dangerous in any side. It's all about how the footy comes in to them that makes them dangerous.

Port Adelaide has multiple players who can hit the scoreboard, as do the Bulldogs. Collingwood has Elliott who I rate and Fasolo who wastes far too many chances. Teams can have a field day when your two forward targets are short people and your big target is a 21 year old who still needs more time. Marchbank had a field day against Collingwood simply swooping on kicks intended for the likes of Moore, Fasolo and Elliot.

Generally it's midfields that wins games for all teams. I can't quite comprehend how any part of a ground other than a midfield can win you a game of footy. Who feeds the forwards and makes them look good?

To win a footy game you cannot simple be good in the midfield. Surely you'd understand this after watching the likes of Pendlebury, Treloar and Sidebottom rack up touches week after week and still ending up losing.

Again, Collingwood's midfield is good at making itself look good, but not it's forwards, and that comes down to its delivery inside 50 and their ability to move the ball quickly from one end to the other.

It's not like we're seeing fast ball movement then the forwards cocking it up.

It's not exactly easy for midfielders when their two targets are the heights of Elliot and Fasolo. Every good team has a tall target down there that can take a mark close to goal or take one around the wing/forward 50 area and help set play up better. Elliot and Fasolo are good players but this isn't Buddy Franklin sitting down there having kicks go ten metres in front or behind him. Those two are only so good.

Treloar in particular has shit disposal but it's ridiculous to act like it's simply all on the likes of him when the forwards do nothing.

QUOTE="PieLebo87, post: 50286789, member: 19924"]
If not for Levi's rich vein of form (by his standards) Cox would be your #1 KPF at Carlton, so I'd steer clear of the flaccid trolls.[/QUOTE]
That's hilarious and I wish you could have written that at the start of the post so I didn't bother with the rest of it.

Weitering, Curnow, young McKay and even Liam Jones are far superior as football players. Not like Carlton is relevant anyway. We're rebuilding. You're meant to be top 8 apparently and your forward line is so talented that you play a guy who barely does a thing when he's out there. Sums up where your club is at when a publicity stunt becomes a key part of your forward line.

 

[Jaeger]

Given how the Hawks are travelling and are now without Rioli, Birchall, Frawley, Stratton, O'Meara... Buckley can't afford to lose this weekend, surely.

 

[SterlingArcher]

We don't rely on a 21 year old KPF. Our two top goal kickers are medium/smalls and average 1.5 and 2 goals a game in 2017. Can you tell me who WCE relied on in their Grand Final years and if they had a couple of big forwards who dominated?
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Lynch kicked 65 for West Coast in 2006

Yes they didn't have a 2nd, but Hunter kicked 29 as a swingman, while Staker 24, Hansen 17 contributed to 40+ goals as 2nd KPF.

They also had big contributions from midfielders - Embley 31, Judd 29, Cousins 20, Cox 14

 

[Crankyhawk]

Given how the Hawks are travelling and are now without Rioli, Birchall, Frawley, Stratton, O'Meara... Buckley can't afford to lose this weekend, surely.

there is no way they lose. ball will never get into hawks forward 50.

 

[10571z]

We are 2nd last after 8 rounds. He should be well and truely gone.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Getting rid of Cloke and Brown when your key position stocks are low was an even stranger decision.

Good for us though Brown (along with Carlisle) have slotted right into the spots vacated by Fisher and Dempster's subsequent retirements.

Brown is a far better player at St Kilda than he was in his last 2 seasons at Collingwood. Giving up Brown was an easy choice for the Pies in my opinion, yet has worked out well for St Kilda too.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Tom Mitchell and Taylor Adams should just have a kicking competition this weekend. First one to get the ball to go through the big sticks wins. Although maybe it'll be quicker to just play the game...

 

[SterlingArcher]

I still stand by my comments that Collingwood need to identify all areas they are not progressing in before sacking Buckley.

Sacking the coach can gloss over other issues, especially if you get in a successful coach - think Ratten to Malthouse. I'm not suggesting Collingwood will be anywhere near as bad under a new coach as we were under Micky, but it certainly glossed over our club wide issues.

It probably is time for boardroom/executive personnel change too, but that's too far out of my knowledge to know exactly who is stale and needs to go.

 

[Jaeger]

I still stand by my comments that Collingwood need to identify all areas they are not progressing in before sacking Buckley.

Sacking the coach can gloss over other issues, especially if you get in a successful coach - think Ratten to Malthouse. I'm not suggesting Collingwood will be anywhere near as bad under a new coach as we were under Micky, but it certainly glossed over our club wide issues.

It probably is time for boardroom/executive personnel change too, but that's too far out of my knowledge to know exactly who is stale and needs to go.

Are you thinking Eddie?

 

[10571z]

I still stand by my comments that Collingwood need to identify all areas they are not progressing in before sacking Buckley.

Sacking the coach can gloss over other issues, especially if you get in a successful coach - think Ratten to Malthouse. I'm not suggesting Collingwood will be anywhere near as bad under a new coach as we were under Micky, but it certainly glossed over our club wide issues.

It probably is time for boardroom/executive personnel change too, but that's too far out of my knowledge to know exactly who is stale and needs to go.

Recruitment horrible. Mayne wtf?
Drafting terrible. Besides Grundy who was the last decent player we drafted
Player development. Who has got better developing under Bucks? elliot, Grundy? Thats about it.

Not just the coach i agree but Bucks has a big hand in it

 

[ThirtyThr33]

Recruitment horrible. Mayne wtf?
Drafting terrible. Besides Grundy who was the last decent player we drafted
Player development. Who has got better developing under Bucks? elliot, Grundy? Thats about it.

Not just the coach i agree but Bucks has a big hand in it

Well, Adams Treloar and Howe have been good since being at the Pies - it's not like they have regressed.

I think Bucks has recruited well in the mids such as the players mentioned above. But, they prolly let go of too many KPPs and with Buckley's gameplan, it doesn't seem to work.

 

[Lacustrus]

We are 2nd last after 8 rounds. He should be well and truely gone.

Pity, he comes across as a good guy . And I hated him as a player...

 

[10571z]

Pity, he comes across as a good guy . And I hated him as a player...

Id love for him to succeed more than anything because i know how hard he would work but some people just dont have the gift of being a good coach.

 

[10571z]

Well, Adams Treloar and Howe have been good since being at the Pies - it's not like they have regressed.

I think Bucks has recruited well in the mids such as the players mentioned above. But, they prolly let go of too many KPPs and with Buckley's gameplan, it doesn't seem to work.

Treloar, Adams and Howe all had played well at their previous club. I wouldn't put there success down to Buck's good coaching

 

[Dicky Fitzwell]

Surely Muscle Face will fall.on his own sword...or be told to by Ed. Its an absolute shambles. ..hes failed dismally

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[FootyJunkie]

when nature calls and there's a dunny nearby

 

[freebloke]

Are you thinking Eddie?

I would say Davoren.

Bulldogs fitness coach who saw a lot of hamstring injuries during his time. Hecame to St Kilda and players fell left, right and center with recurring soft tissue injuries. Believe me, the only way was up when the Saints got the new fitness coach.

 

[FairKouta]

Surely Muscle Face will fall.on his own sword...or be told to by Ed. Its an absolute shambles. ..hes failed dismally

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lels muscle face

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Given how the Hawks are travelling and are now without Rioli, Birchall, Frawley, Stratton, O'Meara... Buckley can't afford to lose this weekend, surely.

Yep if Pies lose with those outs oh boy.

 

[Brad Goodman]

I still stand by my comments that Collingwood need to identify all areas they are not progressing in before sacking Buckley.

It will be more efficient to identify the areas where we are progressing - shouldn't take more than a few minutes.

 

[M Malice]

A loss to the injury hit Hawks this weekend will place him on the precipice, lose to us the following week and he jumps off or is pushed by Eddie. Lock it in.

 

[Nugett]

Never I enjoy the Ed and Buck show. It right up there with Rocky and Bullwinkle. "Hey Bucks watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat" its gold

 

[JackOutback]

Yep if Pies lose with those outs oh boy.

They will lose, then beat a top four side and the axe will hover for another week.