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I reckon Butch is great. I think he needs to spend the summer in a jacuzzi with 20-30 ladies, to relieve some tension, and then the club should send him to a temple and get some Mr Miagi zen action to help ease his mind....
 
SgtSchulz said:
Can you imagine how damaging a confident butcher would be. Would crash packs even harder.
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This. He looks dangerous at the moment and he only half wants the ball most of the time. Imagine if he really wanted it.
 
You could see his lack of confidence in his goalkicking when Paddy Ryder marked in the last quarter and Butcher was paid the free. Butcher didn't line up and you could tell he was thinking "I'll probably miss the set shot, maybe I'll get it if I play on."
The umpires didn't mind paying that one to Butcher, taking it off Ryder and giving it to Butcher was giving Freo the advantage for giving away a free. But the umps wouldn't give something like that to Schulz,who can regularly kick them.

MrChow said:
I reckon Butch is great. I think he needs to spend the summer in a jacuzzi with 20-30 ladies, to relieve some tension, and then the club should send him to a temple and get some Mr Miagi zen action to help ease his mind....
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Rocks on, wax off..........
 

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Tibbs said:
I have always had "a glass half full" view of Butcher. At the match yesterday, I must admit to a feeling of despair watching that first kick of his! It was just awful, not just bad .... It was woeful, almost unbearable to watch! I had the thought then that it was all over ... Butch was gone!:cry:

Then as the game unfolded, he just imposed himself up forward.... Awesome marks, smashing packs, goal assists. Imagine if you could blend him with Schulz's kick ... He would be an AFL superstar!! By the end of the game, with one goal under his belt, I had forgiven him. Certainly has shown he is an AFL forward. Now throw everything at him ... Give him every chance through the preseason to get his crap together. He is good enough, and young enough to be worth persisting with.
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Enjoy the seats? :p
 
His kicking for goals is now worse than when we drafted him in 2009. 6 years on a AFL list with all the coaching and he kicks for goals like a parkland player.
 
SupportMe said:
Also, it was good that Butcher gave an easy goal to Matt White - considering when the roles were reversed last week he got burned.
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Should've had 3-4 goals yesterday, one hit the post after the crowd thought it went through, the snap didn't miss by much & the goal he handed off when he could've easily ran it in himself.

He is one of our most unselfish players even if part of that attitude is him not wanting to take the shot himself in the chance he'll miss it & have the crowd/media heckle him, I don't think there's a player we've recruited/developed that i've wanted to succeed so much in my time watching footy.

I liked what Kane said about the club needing to prepare a modified preseason for him bringing in a specialist forward coach like Lloyd & just having thousands of shots on goal in the hope he can make something of his career because deep down there's a talented footballer in there.
 
Has he ever had a dedicated personal kicking coach or has it always just been looked after by our coaching staff in general?

I didn't mind K. Cornes suggestion of a preseason for Butch specifically tailored around his kicking.. gives ya the feeling Kane thinks more could of been done for Butch in this aspect in years past.
 
240volt said:
His kicking for goals is now worse than when we drafted him in 2009 ....
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Surely that's never been contentious. I just don't recall it an issue 2011/12. However after injury in 2013 he returned with the emotional tics of a kid brought up in a Catholic boys' home who was drafted to serve in Vietnam and on return tried to relax by going surfing with Nick Fanning.
 
I liked his game on the weekend, he might just hold on for another year after all.

I don't remember who said it first, but you really do ride Butcher's emotions when you watch him play, its actually amazing how much he impacts on the crowd, and IMO the rest of the team.

I wonder if its having an extra tall that makes the team play better, or if its just "The Future" that brings out the best in this team?
 

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StrappingTape said:
Matt White's probably the least likely on our team to hand off a shot at goal I've noticed, most likely a lingering trait of being a fringe\sub at Richmond and early career.
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I love that about him to be honest, no faffing about with the handball just gets the job done.
 
HaaWingard! said:
I love that about him to be honest, no faffing about with the handball just gets the job done.
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Yeah not saying that he is doing it in a hog way just that if there's a chance he can kick a goal 99% of the time you know he's taking it so all his team mates would know to, backs himself in.
 
Is it any coincidence that the forward line is actually functioning correctly with a player that is prepared to hit the packs and is over 160cm tall? God I go to a dark place when I think about us stacking the forward line with Sgray and Mitchell. Wether it's Schulz or Dixon, Butcher needs to stay in. Play him around the HF and let him destroy packs all day.
 
El_Scorcho said:
Agree totally and completely. In fact unless we get Dixon and keep Schulz, he's best 22 anyway
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Tend to agree with this. I'd play him over Lobbe.

Ryder/Dixon/Butcher is a better combo than Lobbe/Ryder/Dixon. Lobbe is a better player in a vacuum, but Butch makes the players around him better and Lobbe makes the players around him worse. He takes Ryder out of position, and that denies our mids Ryder's silver service, and that denies our forwards the quick ball movement that Ryder's silver service creates.
 

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StrappingTape said:
Yeah not saying that he is doing it in a hog way just that if there's a chance he can kick a goal 99% of the time you know he's taking it so all his team mates would know to, backs himself in.
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Good call

I love this about Whitey. Sometimes the team thing to do is to just take responsibility and slam the ball through the big sticks yourself. 17.6 for the season in 18 games suggests he's reading the lay of the land well and should keep doing what he's doing.

Schulzenfest said:
Tend to agree with this. I'd play him over Lobbe.

Ryder/Dixon/Butcher is a better combo than Lobbe/Ryder/Dixon. Lobbe is a better player in a vacuum, but Butch makes the players around him better and Lobbe makes the players around him worse. He takes Ryder out of position, and that denies our mids Ryder's silver service, and that denies our forwards the quick ball movement that Ryder's silver service creates.
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Agree. I said last week that it's a moneyball thing, and that much like that one good game Matt Thomas played in his entire career, Butch could barely touch the ball and have more of an impact on us winning than Lobbe with 40 hitouts straight to opposition mids.
 
Schulzenfest said:
Tend to agree with this. I'd play him over Lobbe.

Ryder/Dixon/Butcher is a better combo than Lobbe/Ryder/Dixon. Lobbe is a better player in a vacuum, but Butch makes the players around him better and Lobbe makes the players around him worse. He takes Ryder out of position, and that denies our mids Ryder's silver service, and that denies our forwards the quick ball movement that Ryder's silver service creates.
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Definetly over Lobbe. Butch is the pack crasher... He could even chop in and crash some ruckman... He's got some grunt and animal about him... I reckon he could even crash into Luke Hodge's thigh pretty good....
 
The last 4 weeks have been awesome.

I was so set to let fly with both barrels in this thread about the inevitable tidal wave of haters claiming victory and demanding his swift delisting, but those people are now in the minority.
 
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