Opinion Butcher

[demon inda sack]

Is there a structure we could implement that when butch takes a mark we line up players to shepherd of the mark and have him handball to someone to take the kick? If we can implement it why haven't we? How fast would other coaches be able to come up with a way to stop this?

 

[Grandaddy J]

Rage levels would be over 9000 if Perkins miraculously fixes Butch's kicking action over the course of a pre-season.

 

[powermacs]

Today's 'Tsier has an article that isnt available on line that is headlined - Can we fix him? Yes, we can, says expert.

Its about Ben Perkins offering to help fix Butch's goal kicking. Edit - its page 97 and you can use Press Reader to get access to one story free at
http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-advertiser

Here are a couple of paragraphs

Leading goalkicking coach Ben Perkins is confident John Butcher's scattergun technique can be fixed as he continues to marvel at the game's lack of understanding of the art.

Perkins is often called an eccentric, but a better way to describe him is as being brutally frank. He has indisputable results. Former Australian captain John Eales couldnt speak more highly of Perkins and his role in the Wallabies securing the World Cup.

He was influential in straightening up star players such as Port Adelaide's Warren Tredrea and modified the run-up of (Shaun) Burgoyne, worked with Jarryd Roughead and watched with a smaile as the latter collected a Coleman Medal, and continues to be sought after for his kicking consultancy.

If you have never seen Perkins here is the first of several videos I posted in this thread on the BDC board a couple of years ago.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ben-perkins-show.1024648/

"And they'll keep loosing because they're ****ing shit". Brilliant.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Is there a structure we could implement that when butch takes a mark we line up players to shepherd of the mark and have him handball to someone to take the kick? If we can implement it why haven't we? How fast would other coaches be able to come up with a way to stop this?

Because it's better for everyone if he just figures out set shots. He played on for one of the marks against Freo and missed. It's important to his future as a footballer and as a person that he overcomes this issue. Imagine having all the talent he has but not making it because you have Ian Baker Finch on steroids yips. That would live with you for the rest of your life.

Rage levels would be over 9000 if Perkins miraculously fixes Butch's kicking action over the course of a pre-season.

Absolutely yes, but it would be a drop in the ocean compared to the awesomeness of having a Butcher who can kick.

 

[demon inda sack]

Because it's better for everyone if he just figures out set shots. He played on for one of the marks against Freo and missed. It's important to his future as a footballer and as a person that he overcomes this issue. Imagine having all the talent he has but not making it because you have Ian Baker Finch on steroids yips. That would live with you for the rest of your life.



Absolutely yes, but it would be a drop in the ocean compared to the awesomeness of having a Butcher who can kick.

Scorch I completely agree with you but what if he can't? I think butch is a weapon, he straightens us up his contested marking is the best in our squad he is fast and he applies pressure as well as any man his height, but if he can't figure out his set shots he will be delisted and I don't want to see that happen. If we can put a structure in place where we can utilize all of his skills and score from his marks inside fifty from him passing it off we all win.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Scorch I completely agree with you but what if he can't? I think butch is a weapon, he straightens us up his contested marking is the best in our squad he is fast and he applies pressure as well as any man his height, but if he can't figure out his set shots he will be delisted and I don't want to see that happen. If we can put a structure in place where we can utilize all of his skills and score from his marks inside fifty from him passing it off we all win.

I definitely see what you're saying. It's a bit like cricket training I guess.

Work on your technical issues in the nets, but when you're out in the middle, just do whatever you're most comfortable with.

 

[demon inda sack]

I definitely see what you're saying. It's a bit like cricket training I guess.

Work on your technical issues in the nets, but when you're out in the middle, just do whatever you're most comfortable with.

Yeah exactly I want his set shot to be the most comfortable tool in butchs arsenal (get him a kicking coach ken) but if he can't get it right then the coaches need to find a way to use butch effectively. He has proven he is not a liability so he should play every game next year but we should develop a forward structure to defend the mark whilst he passes to chad or hammer and they have enough time to steady and shoot. If the coaches can help his set shot and try to develop this structure( that only exists in my head at the moment) butch could have a very productive future.

 

[Paesano]

Yeah exactly I want his set shot to be the most comfortable tool in butchs arsenal (get him a kicking coach ken) but if he can't get it right then the coaches need to find a way to use butch effectively. He has proven he is not a liability so he should play every game next year but we should develop a forward structure to defend the mark whilst he passes to chad or hammer and they have enough time to steady and shoot. If the coaches can help his set shot and try to develop this structure( that only exists in my head at the moment) butch could have a very productive future.

How can we play butch every week if we have Dixon and Schulz in the team. If Butch does not prove that he has got his kicking spot on then he doesn't play. We can't afford to have a liability in the forwards

 

[1954]

It's years since I have attended a Power training session but I have to assume that Butch has regular goal kicking practice and probably tonks 75% of them.

What was very concerning ( particularly last week ) was the number of times he changed his routine in the one game, ie there was the Michael Holding run up interspersed with the Shane Warne, and that is an absolute indictment on whoever is supposed to be his kicking coach.

The bloke must be coached to have a single routine that he sticks to religiously, missing to the left or right happens to the best of players, but the continual shanks caused by that horrendous ball drop where the foot has to search for the ball has to be eradicated.

Butch will never be able to sort out the mental side of his kicking action until the mechanics of it are fixed first, and it's about time he was given a specialist kicking coach whose only role is to help him do just that!

 

[*PAF]

Honestly I am sick of always hearing excuses why our players can't get bigger. We hear the excuses all the time - hips aren't strong enough, knees are sore, groin hurts. Not just Butch but so many of them. You know what happened to those players in the old days? They went to Torrens and Woodville.

Butch is barely hanging onto a spot on the list by the width of a single strand of hair on a new born babe's head.

Let's try it and find out.

I see that REH has already replied, so I'll just say that regarding Butcher I agree with his post. Can he put on some weight? Yeah some. Can he put on a lot of weight? From everything we've been told, probably not.

One player I would like to see put on weight, and quite a bit of it, is O'Shea. His fitness is such that wven if he was to lose a bit of pace and endurance it wouldn't matter, but if he was to get stronger he could end up one hell of a player capable of playing more roles whilst still adding to that run out of defence.

IMO O'Shea's potential is underrated. Not his current game, but his potential.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I see that REH has already replied, so I'll just say that regarding Butcher I agree with his post. Can he put on some weight? Yeah some. Can he put on a lot of weight? From everything we've been told, probably not.

One player I would like to see put on weight, and quite a bit of it, is O'Shea. His fitness is such that wven if he was to lose a bit of pace and endurance it wouldn't matter, but if he was to get stronger he could end up one hell of a player capable of playing more roles whilst still adding to that run out of defence.

IMO O'Shea's potential is underrated. Not his current game, but his potential.

Lol you'll probably think I'm being a contrarian but I think O'Shea is about the ideal size for his role. He is surprisingly strong through the core and can effectively play on bigger opponents. But his asset is his ability to run like a maniac to contest after contest supporting team mates. Even when Primus threw him to the wolves as a kid he would get to contests that his senior team mates couldn't.

He is very important to our defensive structure and as he found form later in the year was a crucial part of our late season rush. If only we can get it into his head the season starts in April not July.

As has been mentioned by a few already surely we can bulk up Jackson Trengove some more? The coming generation of monster forwards need monster defenders to mind them. Howard and Austin can add to those stocks although Austin will be restricted this off-season by recovery from shoulder surgery.

Just on Butcher I said get him up to Kennedy's size. According to stats I've seen Kennedy is 101kg and Butcher is 94kg so I don't think mine and REH's propositions are essentially different. We don't need to put 7kg on him tomorrow, that can be built over a couple of seasons.

 

[dinger]

I'll pay for the crazy **** to do some goal kicking practice with Butch ****en

 

[1954]

Lol you'll probably think I'm being a contrarian but I think O'Shea is about the ideal size for his role. He is surprisingly strong through the core and can effectively play on bigger opponents. But his asset is his ability to run like a maniac to contest after contest supporting team mates. Even when Primus threw him to the wolves as a kid he would get to contests that his senior team mates couldn't.

He is very important to our defensive structure and as he found form later in the year was a crucial part of our late season rush. If only we can get it into his head the season starts in April not July.

As has been mentioned by a few already surely we can bulk up Jackson Trengove some more? The coming generation of monster forwards need monster defenders to mind them. Howard and Austin can add to those stocks although Austin will be restricted this off-season by recovery from shoulder surgery.

Just on Butcher I said get him up to Kennedy's size. According to stats I've seen Kennedy is 101kg and Butcher is 94kg so I don't think mine and REH's propositions are essentially different. We don't need to put 7kg on him tomorrow, that can be built over a couple of seasons.

O'Shea's last 6 or 8 games at AFL level prove he can play, which begs the question as to why is he worth about the same as a campaigner full of cold water early in the season ( from memory he was next to useless early last season as well ), those 3 holding the ball decisions in the space of 7 or 8 minutes against the eagles at Alberton were absolutely C grade.

He is an elite runner ( his closing speed often catches opponents unaware ) and has good height for a running defender, but something is missing.
Maybe some extra muscle will do the trick.

Unless my eyes are deceiving me the Power list is one of the smallest and lightest in the comp, and if eg Charlie Dixon arrives here at 100 plus kegs and fronts up in round one at 95 kg, I will be just a tad annoyed.

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Ben hasn't worked with Butch before, and he can only do so much to try and make it happen.

I will see what I can do

 

[bomberclifford]

Ben hasn't worked with Butch before, and he can only do so much to try and make it happen.

I will see what I can do

Do you know if Perkins work on technique alone or does he work on the mental side of it as well?

 

[steve4445]

I'm just sitting here and butch just kicked about 5 straight mid post high from 35 on a 45 degree angle - he is working with a ginger Aaron young looking bloke lol (I don't get to many magpies games so not sure who it is)

His run up and ball drop were perfect, a couple of times who he was working with would send him back a few steps for more run up but other than that perfect. He followed up the 5 straight with a poster and then a spray but this guy has the talent there we have to work out how to tap into it.

I'm happy to chip some dollars in TSW if we can get something going like a gofundme to cover Perkins expenses, I'm sure many others here would to.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Sanfl game about to start on 7Mate if you want to watch Butch in action.

 

[Sheeds]

I reckon Butch has a better chance to stay on the list had he not played for the Magpies. Although he has just kicked a goal so there you go.

 

[Footy Matt]

Butch with 2!

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Only player to win his 1v1s.

 

[edgie]

At bloody work

If Butch plays well I want to see this, will the club upload a SANFL replay?

 

[TheFVK]

Clutcher on the rampage

 

[*PAF]

Do you know if Perkins work on technique alone or does he work on the mental side of it as well?

It's all one and the same. The reason Kennedy does the little steps and Lloyd threw grass in the air, even at Etihad with the roof closed, is to get the mind on the job and a trigger to go into routine mode.

 

[Magpiespower]

...there was the Michael Holding...

BOOM!

Problem solved.

Still get aroused by Whispering Death's run-up and action...

 

[*PAF]

Lol you'll probably think I'm being a contrarian but I think O'Shea is about the ideal size for his role. He is surprisingly strong through the core and can effectively play on bigger opponents. But his asset is his ability to run like a maniac to contest after contest supporting team mates. Even when Primus threw him to the wolves as a kid he would get to contests that his senior team mates couldn't.

He is very important to our defensive structure and as he found form later in the year was a crucial part of our late season rush. If only we can get it into his head the season starts in April not July.

As has been mentioned by a few already surely we can bulk up Jackson Trengove some more? The coming generation of monster forwards need monster defenders to mind them. Howard and Austin can add to those stocks although Austin will be restricted this off-season by recovery from shoulder surgery.

Just on Butcher I said get him up to Kennedy's size. According to stats I've seen Kennedy is 101kg and Butcher is 94kg so I don't think mine and REH's propositions are essentially different. We don't need to put 7kg on him tomorrow, that can be built over a couple of seasons.

Hehe. Laughed at the first bit.
Yeah we do differ a tad on O'Shea. I agree totally with what you see as his strengths, including the part about being a strong person but IMO he'll lose none of that and gain something extra by becoming bigger and stronger.

Re monsters coming through, I'm assuming you saw that 17 year old kid on 360 a couple of months back. Wow.

Ok. Something obviously went wrong there.