Opinion Butcher

[Chachi]

There is no doubt that there is a section of the crowd that takes the piss out of Butch. No doubt. I think for the most part its genuine excitement as to what might happen.

Everytime he goes near it the crowd roars BUUUTTCCCHHH. We haven't seen that with a player for ages. Those marks he took, we haven't had a key forward do that since Tredrea retired. Again, genuine excitement.

I think for the most part, the crowd is getting behind him and willing him to succeed.

No doubt. I'm really unsure what happens from here with Butch, I was initially thinking delist but geez he's like getting a lap dance.............just doesn't quite get the job done.

 

[Byrons Firen]

Butch busted his guts yesterday,

He sure did and his cheer squad #'s went up. When Butch lines up for goal I good naturedly yell
"spread out everyone". The good natured banter re Butch is great. The anger and contempt isn't
The roar when he slotted that goal was brilliant. A lotta people gotta lotta luv for the Butch
He aint perfect but he's ours. Wont be delisted just less coin

 

[Weez]

Ok so imagine you are a medical student and you are doing a medical procedure but when you do it you stuff up..say you can't get blood from a vein. So the demons in your head start to tell you you can't do it so you get more and more nervou each time you have to try even with one or two people watching you. QUOTE]



So imagine after being a medical student for 6 years and you still cant find the vein?

If he cant handle the pressure of the crowd then AFL is not for him...

 

[Powerstufff]

From the R23: Port v Fremantle Review thread

Butcher is the family dog everyone loves that the vet tells you needs to be put down

but can we keep him another year dad?

 

[ImportExport]

From the R23: Port v Fremantle Review thread

that'll do John, that'll do

 

[PA88]

"It's all in his mind" ... well everything is for all of us in whatever we do but goal kicking is also to do with body and technique. Otherwise we'd all be afl players if it was 'just in the mind'. He can't be in afl games and shank these kicks so badly. The afl scribes are brutal.

Prior to this year Butcher has been playing forward for a handful of years. The poor bloke gets roughed up by amateur flogs whenever he shanks a kick and he shanks them often. Especially by the Norwood players which nothing would please me more than to see us knock them out of finals at the boot of Butcher. However if all of these shanks were witnessed by 45000 Port supporters week in and week out in the afl rather than by 3000 in the sanfl I don't believe he would be a crowd favourite.

People say his field kicking is good but I'd say it is acceptable under the circumstances. He often kicks short in games when he's on the move. It is still not dependable but ok. However the bloke is 200cm, agile, quick, and good on the ground when the ball is in dispute, and in the air. That has kept him on our afl list.

It has been several years now of the same though. Do other tall players on our list become list casualties to keep Butcher? By the sound of the presser it seems so.

 

[*PAF]

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People say his field kicking is good but I'd say it is acceptable under the circumstances. He often kicks short in games when he's on the move. It is still not dependable but ok.
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Disagree about only kicking short and describe the ones he has missed.

 

[PatientMental]

It has been several years now of the same though. Do other tall players on our list become list casualties to keep Butcher? By the sound of the presser it seems so.

If our other forwards were actual footballers, butcher wouldn't be in the team in front of them.

 

[Powerstufff]

..... Do other tall players on our list become list casualties to keep Butcher? ....

No. If Butcher is re-contracted we're already rumoured to lose uncontracted Shaw and Schulz. IMO we'll probably also lose uncontracted Harvey and Redden but they've done nothing to push past Butcher. Barring trades there's no other talls we're likely to lose.

 

[PA88]

No. If Butcher is re-contracted we're already rumoured to lose uncontracted Shaw and Schulz. IMO we'll probably also lose uncontracted Harvey and Redden but they've done nothing to push past Butcher. Barring trades there's no other talls we're likely to lose.

Are these players, in time, better to keep?

 

[Powerstufff]

Are these players, in time, better to keep?

In relation to Butcher IMO no, except Schulz. But probably more for the list management thread. Especially when you consider younger guys like Palmer and Frampton starting off nicely.

 

[PA88]

Disagree about only kicking short and describe the ones he has missed.

Said often kicks short which is not a bad thing because the options have been there for him to do so, it is has been our game style that works for him. I've seen him run along the left wing and deliver two kicks on his left side and hit the chest. I've seen him kick wide and short of a player on his right boot several times. I've seen him hit his short-up targets several times ... basically since he's been played in defence. We're playing him as a forward in the afl and it isn't pretty. Could he be groomed to play a Westhoff role? I just don't have confidence in him being a full-time specialist forward.

 

[Duck Farmer]

He's a crowd favourite. Everyone around me was good-naturedly yelling "kick it to Butch" every time we went forward. Throw him a rookie-list lifeline and a year of psychological development to cure his kicking yips at the Magpies.

 

[Killer Power]

It is so weird because set shot taking is a skill which doesn't have external factors really compared to a field kick. So really you'd expect a player to field kick poorer because in reality they are under a lot more pressure physically so they go back to their bad habits and techniques. But it tends to be the players normally field kick the ball better because it is all in their head and they do weird sh*t when they have set shots. (stutters etc). The fact that he doesn't have a routine though after 6 years, questions have to be asked don't they. It is ridiculous he's shown little to no improvment and I am not sure I blame him for it.

Set shot kicking has one important external factor that field kicking doesn't; time. Guaranteed he has a routine but can't put it into action repeatedly on the big stage as he is on the verge of a panic attack. Someone needs to sneak a beta blocker into his breakfast.

There is no logical reason that a champion pro golfer can't tap in a 1 foot putt either but there have been many examples. Fotunately the long putter has saved many of them. Those suggesting that just practising until the muscle memory is ingrained have only half the answer. It will only work if his mind lets him execute his routine when it counts. For that I think he needs a psych specialised in the treatment of yips of which there are a couple of renowned experts overseas.

 

[PA88]

In relation to Butcher IMO no, except Schulz. But probably more for the list management thread. Especially when you consider younger guys like Palmer and Frampton starting off nicely.

You don't have confidence in Harvey? I haven't formed an opinion on him as yet apart from last season he was important to his team and kicked very well. A down year this year. Shaw has just not had enough weeks on the trot to see how good he can be but skillsets are good. They seem to be straight up type players, not very lateral like Butcher. Doesn't mean they are not afl potential players though.

 

[TeeKray]

Ken isn't Choco. You don't finish the year doing enough to keep your spot in the best 22 and end up not required a week later. One more year. #Butcher2016

 

[Powerstufff]

You don't have confidence in Harvey? .... Shaw has just not had enough weeks on the trot to see how good he can be but skillsets are good ....

Last year I saw very good stuff from Harvey but this year when the Maggies' FF role hasn't been reserved for Butcher I haven't seen the hunger/effort/fitness I'd expected. We can't keep everyone and from a fan's point of view I'm OK with him going. The word is Shaw is going back to WA, whether as a trade or not who can tell?

 

[240volt]

He's a good mark any day of the week. Doesn't matter if it was "Peel".

He's not a good anything any day of the week. Even against "Peal" Thinder

 

[PA88]

If our other forwards were actual footballers, butcher wouldn't be in the team in front of them.

Explains a lot.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I've had so much pleasant surprise and respect for the way that our fans have gotten behind him. Plenty of much better players than Butch (see Cloke, Jack Riewoldt) have copped Bronx cheers from their own 'supporters', but Butch gets a big cheer every time he touches it like he's a 300 game legend playing his retirement game. Respect to the Port crowd for really getting behind him.

Centrals supporters then

"Arrrrhgghghe Butcha!"

That just sounds like me whenever he flies for a mark

 

[PA88]

Last year I saw very good stuff from Harvey but this year when the Maggies' FF role hasn't been reserved for Butcher I haven't seen the hunger/effort/fitness I'd expected. We can't keep everyone and from a fan's point of view I'm OK with him going. The word is Shaw is going back to WA, whether as a trade or not who can tell?

Possibly true re Shaw but that rumour has existed before. Eventually its bound to be true.

You feel Butcher can be a regular in our first 22?

 

[Chokito]

Butch is aiiight in my book. Can take a grab, just needs work on nerves when goal kicking.

 

[Portmanteau]

Your value as an AFL player is almost singularly determined by whether you create opportunities or need to rely on others. Butch has shown he can create opportunities for himself and others through his contested marking and pack busting.

If he can get his goalkicking approaching league average levels, he is a genuine key forward option. If he can't he is a decent back-up option (for now), based on the above point.

 

[Us against the rest]

There is no doubt that there is a section of the crowd that takes the piss out of Butch. No doubt. I think for the most part its genuine excitement as to what might happen.

Everytime he goes near it the crowd roars BUUUTTCCCHHH. We haven't seen that with a player for ages. Those marks he took, we haven't had a key forward do that since Tredrea retired. Again, genuine excitement.

I think for the most part, the crowd is getting behind him and willing him to succeed.

May be we should just leave him there until his kicking finally clicks. Go Butch.

 

[tribey]

However if all of these shanks were witnessed by 45000 Port supporters week in and week out in the afl rather than by 3000 in the sanfl I don't believe he would be a crowd favourite

He keeps taking 3-4 contested marks a week, putting opposition defenders down like nine-pins, and he's a cult hero.