CA Spin Mentor Magill - "Where's O'Keefe?"

[King Elvis]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...dia/story-fn2mcu3x-1226588114993#.UTB1eYwaySM

That's pretty damning.

He doesn't know why he isn't in, our new spin mentor wants him in and can't get an answer as to why he isn't in the mix...

Wtf is going on?

 

[TassieEagle]

Dohertys inclusion, much like Starcs inclusion in the first test ahead of Bird, was based on shorter format results which is not the best way to be doing things.

CA should be providing feedback to these guys on the cusp though.

 

[Gak Attack]

It's been pretty obvious for a while someone important didn't like him. Whether you think he's good enough or not he should of got a chance by now over pretty much every spinner that has been picked in recent years. The old captain and coach are gone and he still can't get a run so we can discount them, or at least solely them, leaving the suits. On another note though, thought it was pretty shit of Macgill to have a dig at Doherty, a guy I would of thought he should be 'mentoring' given he's the t20 and odi #1 spinner. You can't blame Doherty himself for being picked. Common sense would be SOK going over to replace Bird and replacing one of Lyon/Doherty(if he plays) in the third test.

 

[Patron]

The Squad is a joke everyone knows it.

 

[aussie1st]

Geez what was the point in changing the panel if they still aren't communicating? Also really don't get how you can't like SOK, he really seems like a friendly bloke given he went around the ground after the Sixers game to talk/take pictures to every fan that stayed after the game.

 

[Bucking Beads]

O'Keefes action has always been poor but he takes wickets and that is more important for s spinner than anything else IMO.

 

[MisterMarcus]

So why will Doherty want to be involved with this 'spin mentor' when he's publicly come out and rubbished him as not worthy?

 

[BarneyBent]

So why will Doherty want to be involved with this 'spin mentor' when he's publicly come out and rubbished him as not worthy?

He hardly rubbished him. He just pointed out that SOK has 17 wickets to Doherty's 2. I'm sure MacGill recognises what a good one-day bowler he is.

 

[Bucking Beads]

MacGill as a spin mentor will end up being a massive fail.

 

[BarneyBent]

MacGill as a spin mentor will end up being a massive fail.

I can't help but agree. I like him, but he relied on a talent for spinning the ball immensely. He wasn't particularly crafty nor consistent, he was a mercurial spinner that in reality, probably won't be able to pass on as much real knowledge as a lot of other, less successful spinners. Plus, he's apparently a bit of an abrasive personality. A bit like Langer when he was batting coach, I'm just not sure how much he'll be able to actually teach.

 

[carnthemlions]

Someone at CA is slowly digging their own grave.
The knives have been out for a while, and CA continues to allow itself to be destroyed in the media. Strange selection policies, even stranger explanations. I'm not sure whether things are really as bad at CA/on the selection panel as many people think. But a few more bad results and it won't matter. Something will have to give. What's really going on at CA isn't important- it's the public's perception of the processes that matters(and Warnie, obviously).

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Someone at CA is slowly digging their own grave.
The knives have been out for a while, and CA continues to allow itself to be destroyed in the media. Strange selection policies, even stranger explanations. I'm not sure whether things are really as bad at CA/on the selection panel as many people think. But a few more bad results and it won't matter. Something will have to give. What's really going on at CA isn't important- it's the public's perception of the processes that matters(and Warnie, obviously).

Given the same mistakes (or so they seem to me) have been made with two different selection panels suggest the problems might lie within CA.
Selecting the selectors might be the real point of failure.

Many of the same issues have re-surfaced that were cause of concern with the Hilditch panel:
- a love of all-rounders who can't bat or bowl
- selecting Mitchell Johnson on limited (if any) form, though this panel is nowhere near as bad as the previous one in that respect
- selecting Test players on their limited overs returns rather than their first class ones (Test players not playing enough Shield cricket might feed into this a bit)

This suggests it might be a philosophy CA are looking for when building a selection panel (or, much worse, handing down instructions).

 

[sherb]

One thing I find interesting about this is the publicising of the fact that a state association has contacted the selectors about the non-selection of one of their players.

There have been plenty of instances in the past - with more to come in the future I would suspect - where players have been selected over better performing players from other states. (Ironically, some would argue many such selections have been NSW players).

Should the state association of the non-selected player have gone to the selectors on each occasion and publicised the fact that they had done so?

O'Keefe is no different to any number of players who have missed out on selection over the years, I don't see the need to make such a public issue of it.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Normally I wouldn't really mind someone like O'Keefe not getting a go. But given all the spin options we've tried in the last few years, its crazy that someone has performed in the Shield (except 1 season) hasn't been given a shot.

 

[Underdog]

Wasn't Marcus North the leading spinner in the shield a number of years back?

 

[JUBJUB]

Wasn't SOK injured for about 5 weeks [kept splitting webbing on his hand] and only returned to play in the last 2 weeks ?
I'm sure he was being interviewed at a Ryobi Cup game a few weeks ago and said he'd hardly played in 5 weeks.

 

[Cleavy]

Wasn't SOK injured for about 5 weeks [kept splitting webbing on his hand] and only returned to play in the last 2 weeks ?
I'm sure he was being interviewed at a Ryobi Cup game a few weeks ago and said he'd hardly played in 5 weeks.

none of the journalists etc remember this...

 

[The_Reaper]

none of the journalists etc remember this...

Do you reckon half the journos even follow shield cricket?

 

[BarneyBent]

Wasn't SOK injured for about 5 weeks [kept splitting webbing on his hand] and only returned to play in the last 2 weeks ?
I'm sure he was being interviewed at a Ryobi Cup game a few weeks ago and said he'd hardly played in 5 weeks.

He injured himself well after the squad was named though.

 

[Badesumofu]

He played in the first Shield game back after the BBL and took 8 wickets at Bankstown. That was before the squad was named. I would have thought he'd have to be ahead of someone like Maxwell. You could happily have Henriques at 7 and SOK at 8, instead of Maxwell at 7 and Henriques at 8. I don't see much reason to think Maxwell will have any success against the Indians. Hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Black Diamond]

He played in the first Shield game back after the BBL and took 8 wickets at Bankstown. That was before the squad was named. I would have thought he'd have to be ahead of someone like Maxwell. You could happily have Henriques at 7 and SOK at 8, instead of Maxwell at 7 and Henriques at 8. I don't see much reason to think Maxwell will have any success against the Indians. Hope he proves me wrong.

Maxwell is just the latest puppet in our quest to turn a bits and pieces player into a genuine allrounder.

 

[IanG]

Someone at CA is slowly digging their own grave.
The knives have been out for a while, and CA continues to allow itself to be destroyed in the media. Strange selection policies, even stranger explanations. I'm not sure whether things are really as bad at CA/on the selection panel as many people think. But a few more bad results and it won't matter. Something will have to give. What's really going on at CA isn't important- it's the public's perception of the processes that matters(and Warnie, obviously).

What happened to the sack James Sutherland thread.

 

[Gough]

I get the feeling the NSW dressing room was not a happy place when O'Keefe was captain, you only need look a cavalcade of departures at the end of last season. I do wonder that he may not have had his cards marked then.

 

[Underarm]

Okeefe might be wary of turning into Brad Hodge Mk II

 

[Outshined]

On the one hand, people need to accept that we just don't have the players and won't be the best cricket team in the world for a fair amount of time, on the other, CA, the NSP and other areas such as the sport science department seem to be doing us no favours.