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jinny1 said:
Still would've rather melbourne drafted Dangerfield over this spud
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I really think people that complain about Melbourne's early drafting are missing the mark entirely. Early draft picks are pretty set in stone and none of Melbourne's recently have been surprising in any way. Any other club would've come away with very similar players.

This is how Matt Burgan described Morton in his phantom draft:

"Melbourne won't believe its luck that a player some recruiting managers regard as the best in the draft will slip through to No.4."

Clearly he wasn't a terrible pick because he was incredibly highly rated. Same with Watts who basically everybody had as #1 (for example Quayle had Natanui at 3 behind Yarran). Ditto Scully and Trengrove who were always rated higher than Martin.

Someone like Gysberts who wasn't rated that highly sure but Morton's pick was completely standard.

Some highly rated juniors don't become quality players no matter what but I think the question marks have to be mainly over development and leadership. You can question whether lower selections were as good as they could've been but it's wrong to turn around and say you made the wrong decision at the trade table with top picks when basically every other club would've made the same decision.

As for Morton he's showing some improvement. There's no reason with his elite running capacity and height he can't turn into an Embley like player who can give pace and skill on the outside with the ability to push forward and kick the odd goal. No reason he can't be a very solid contributor in a good team in future.
 
mark73 said:
I'd go as far as to say the same about Jack Watts.
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Watts has already made progress in that regard, it's safe to say, but of course, still gets targeted by the same people who've been doing it all along. Hopefully those folks will eventually get over the haemorrhoidal bleeding about the attention focused on him in 2009 & subsequently, and move on.
 
Footy Smarts said:
I really think people that complain about Melbourne's early drafting are missing the mark entirely. Early draft picks are pretty set in stone and none of Melbourne's recently have been surprising in any way. Any other club would've come away with very similar players.

This is how Matt Burgan described Morton in his phantom draft:

"Melbourne won't believe its luck that a player some recruiting managers regard as the best in the draft will slip through to No.4."

Clearly he wasn't a terrible pick because he was incredibly highly rated. Same with Watts who basically everybody had as #1 (for example Quayle had Natanui at 3 behind Yarran). Ditto Scully and Trengrove who were always rated higher than Martin.

Someone like Gysberts who wasn't rated that highly sure but Morton's pick was completely standard.

Some highly rated juniors don't become quality players no matter what but I think the question marks have to be mainly over development and leadership. You can question whether lower selections were as good as they could've been but it's wrong to turn around and say you made the wrong decision at the trade table with top picks when basically every other club would've made the same decision.

As for Morton he's showing some improvement. There's no reason with his elite running capacity and height he can't turn into an Embley like player who can give pace and skill on the outside with the ability to push forward and kick the odd goal. No reason he can't be a very solid contributor in a good team in future.
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Fantastic, well-thought out post mate, well done.

If Morton can fashion himself into an Embley-type player, while still not elite like some early draft picks become, it'll be satisfactory.

With our lack of run and spread, and Cale's slight but steady improvements, I've still got hope for him to be an important player for us.
 
Footy Smarts said:
I really think people that complain about Melbourne's early drafting are missing the mark entirely. Early draft picks are pretty set in stone and none of Melbourne's recently have been surprising in any way. Any other club would've come away with very similar players.

This is how Matt Burgan described Morton in his phantom draft:

"Melbourne won't believe its luck that a player some recruiting managers regard as the best in the draft will slip through to No.4."

Clearly he wasn't a terrible pick because he was incredibly highly rated. Same with Watts who basically everybody had as #1 (for example Quayle had Natanui at 3 behind Yarran). Ditto Scully and Trengrove who were always rated higher than Martin.

Someone like Gysberts who wasn't rated that highly sure but Morton's pick was completely standard.

Some highly rated juniors don't become quality players no matter what but I think the question marks have to be mainly over development and leadership. You can question whether lower selections were as good as they could've been but it's wrong to turn around and say you made the wrong decision at the trade table with top picks when basically every other club would've made the same decision.

As for Morton he's showing some improvement. There's no reason with his elite running capacity and height he can't turn into an Embley like player who can give pace and skill on the outside with the ability to push forward and kick the odd goal. No reason he can't be a very solid contributor in a good team in future.
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Very well said. Top draft picks are very much set in stone before the draft. During Carlton's bad years, Murph, Kreuz and Gibbs were being talked up as no. 1 picks well before the draft.
 

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One thing I'll say for Morton, it's pretty clear he is buying into Neeld's vision of Melbourne, and that's a lot more than you can say for others around the club, particularly some of the senior players.
 
Sorry guys, I can't see it. Cale Morton is a hack, just like his older brothers

Mitch Morton at least carried some confidence into games which enabled him to have a crack and pot the occasional impossible goal, but Cale Morton possesses none of these qualities. I just don't see what Cale M offers your team.

Neeld is giving him a go, but I think he is probably just wasting his time. Clubs always hang onto their duds who were drafted early in the first round and give them more time than they'd give to less credentialled youngsters, but I think it's probably best if you just cut your losses with Cale Morton. He ain't gonna make it.

Please don't think I'm being a troll. Just giving you my honest opinion. He obviously showed some qualities in the Under 18's which saw him become a highly prized recruit, but it just isn't translating to the top level. he doesn't have any mongrel in him, or the necessary burst & skills which sets him apart.
 
Chewy said:
Sorry guys, I can't see it. Cale Morton is a hack, just like his older brothers

Mitch Morton at least carried some confidence into games which enabled him to have a crack and pot the occasional impossible goal, but Cale Morton possesses none of these qualities. I just don't see what Cale M offers your team.

Neeld is giving him a go, but I think he is probably just wasting his time. Clubs always hang onto their duds who were drafted early in the first round and give them more time than they'd give to less credentialled youngsters, but I think it's probably best if you just cut your losses with Cale Morton. He ain't gonna make it.

Please don't think I'm being a troll. Just giving you my honest opinion. He obviously showed some qualities in the Under 18's which saw him become a highly prized recruit, but it just isn't translating to the top level. he doesn't have any mongrel in him, or the necessary burst & skills which sets him apart.
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Yes, I agree with this.

Non-MFC-ers please note: this is representative of the insightful comment that we welcome on our Board.
 
I heard from one source that Morton was probably the most advanced player who has adapted to Neelds gameplan. We just lack midfield class and really only have one option up forward.

Atleast last year, Jurrah gave us the danger factor.

Secondly young Gysberts, Jetta, Strauss and Tapscott have been waylayed by injury and a lack of preseason and haven't been able to come on. Players like Watts, Grimes and Trengove are really struggling more because there is a lack of middle aged hardened players.
 
Yeah, fair comment Chewy.

Although you called him a hack, you did give reasons for your opinion; that's more than most opposition supporters care to do.

I'm prepared to give him more chances, however,

He has speed and a lovely long kick... and he can run all day.

Get his confidence back up and he'll be an ideal winger.
 
ThePuppetMaster said:
Yeah, fair comment Chewy.

Although you called him a hack, you did give reasons for your opinion; that's more than most opposition supporters care to do.

I'm prepared to give him more chances, however,

He has speed and a lovely long kick... and he can run all day.

Get his confidence back up and he'll be an ideal winger.
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Where is this lovely kick and skills supporters talk about? I have never really seen it, though maybe its hard to pick out 1 decent kick amongst half a dozen clangers.
 
He's short kicking is suspect, but he can hit a long ball 60 metres pretty easily.

You pair a long kick with endurance and speed ... surely a half-decent coach can make you a player.
 

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Whenever he goes to kick the ball I shudder... He was poor in a poor team on Friday night.
 
Mentor said:
here:

http://live-footy.heraldsun.com.au/StatsCentre/Index/20120720120140701

only 4 players with better efficiency on friday night,

one being Bartram with 100% for about 16 touches

edit- and morton on 81% for those who cant be bothered looking
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Sample size man. Anyways Cale's disposal efficiency is 67% for the season, not great, not terrible either. However guys with elite dispoal and silky skills should have that up around 80%. See people like Birchall, Suckling and co, or for the dees Frawley and Watts are two guys on our team with disposal efficiencys around 80%. If Cale can up his disposal efficiency by 10-15% you can start bandering around terms like elite dispoal and silky skills.
 
deeman87 said:
Sample size man. Anyways Cale's disposal efficiency is 67% for the season, not great, not terrible either. However guys with elite dispoal and silky skills should have that up around 80%. See people like Birchall, Suckling and co, or for the dees Frawley and Watts are two guys on our team with disposal efficiencys around 80%. If Cale can up his disposal efficiency by 10-15% you can start bandering around terms like elite dispoal and silky skills.
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What is it outside of the Richmond game? Seriously, apart from the Tiges game I think he's been good.
 
Bottom line is he needs to put on bulk asap. He is definitely putting his body on the line more this season, but having minimal impact due to him getting thrown around like a rag doll. I thought he played ok on Friday night. Definitely far from our worse, but he won't be a standout with the gamestyle we are playing right now. In fact no one will be having an impact in our side until we start to win some possession.

Personally, I think the kid can play. Under Bailey, his development stalled with injuries and not putting on any bulk. I think Neeld will turn him into a good player. Unfortunately for us, we need him to be better than good. And yes, he does have very good skills. I think he would be in the top 5 better kicks on our list. but he's lacked a bit of confidence, and a player like Morton needs some forward structure to hit targets. At the moment, our forward line is a rabble and no one is moving to provide a lead. It's a little hard to show off your elite kicking skills if a) we can't get him the ball in space and b) there is no one providing a lead in and around the F50.

I'm prepared to give him another couple of years, and I'm confident he will improve rapidly with some more muscle and some confidence from the playing group in our gameplan and structure. He has no currency right now anyway, so I don't think trading him is in our best interest.
 

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Disposal efficiency aside, there is no one here who can't deny that Morton has improved out of sight with his tackling and pressure since his move into the midfield.

Hard for a lot of people to view Cale in a positive light after a couple of years of constant criticism, which personally I find sad. Especially when many players coast through with little or no criticism or hate.
 
deeman87 said:
Sample size man. Anyways Cale's disposal efficiency is 67% for the season, not great, not terrible either. However guys with elite dispoal and silky skills should have that up around 80%. See people like Birchall, Suckling and co, or for the dees Frawley and Watts are two guys on our team with disposal efficiencys around 80%. If Cale can up his disposal efficiency by 10-15% you can start bandering around terms like elite dispoal and silky skills.
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A good point but you might want to compare apples with apples.

Cale who has been playing a run with role and been playing in the middle of the ground has a Disposal efficency on par with the rest of our mids. Jones and Trengove being the standouts on 69% each.

We just need to get better as a team as a whole - no one man should be picked out....

Crusty sums up my thoughts on recent discussion.

I can't think of too many players that have impressed me this season, and although he is no where near out best he is improving is all I am pointing out....
 

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