Cam Rayner

[M Malice]

that's in the past. Goodwin was also a premiership coach and took us to 2 top 4 finishes the following years and he was shown the door for underperforming.

Fagan has had generational gifts from the afl in terms of players and to be 8 and 6 is simply not good enough.

3 Grand Finals on the trot and back2back flags is a hell of a lot more on the resume than 1 Flag in 1 GF appearance followed by 2 straight sets exits dan.

Fagan >>>>>>>>>> Goodwin.

 

[danster168]

3 Grand Finals on the trot and back2back flags is a hell of a lot more on the resume than 1 Flag in 1 GF appearance followed by 2 straight sets exits dan.

Fagan >>>>>>>>>> Goodwin.

are you balancing that up with the lists though? Goodwin had 0 access to the father/sons that Fagan had. Viney, thats it. Versus a whole bunch of elite talent doesnt compare.

Clearly if you put those gifts in Melbs team and we win 3 and Bris win just 1. Thats almost beyond argument at this point. Especially given how well Will Ashcroft has played.

 

[M Malice]

are you balancing that up with the lists though? Goodwin had 0 access to the father/sons that Fagan had. Viney, thats it. Versus a whole bunch of elite talent doesnt compare.

Clearly if you put those gifts in Melbs team and we win 3 and Bris win just 1. Thats almost beyond argument at this point. Especially given how well Will Ashcroft has played.

The same father/son mechanism was also open to the Dees, it's not the Lions problem that the Demon's potential fathers are shooting defective genes and/or blanks.

 

[Elixuh]

are you balancing that up with the lists though? Goodwin had 0 access to the father/sons that Fagan had. Viney, thats it. Versus a whole bunch of elite talent doesnt compare.

Clearly if you put those gifts in Melbs team and we win 3 and Bris win just 1. Thats almost beyond argument at this point. Especially given how well Will Ashcroft has played.

Arguably even if you had Mac Andrews it would have given you a look at back2back. Disgraceful rule change which cost the Dees.

 

[danster168]

The same father/son mechanism was also open to the Dees, it's not the Lions problem that the Demon's potential fathers are shooting defective genes and/or blanks.

I mean your argument is incredibly weak here. Yeah, so all luck with the 'mechanism' being pot luck.

 

[danster168]

Arguably even if you had Mac Andrews it would have given you a look at back2back. Disgraceful rule change which cost the Dees.

Yeah, but Mac Andrew plus Will Ashcroft plus Fletcher. And Goodie is all of a sudden a 3 time premiership coach.

But let's be real, losing 6 games is a disgrace with the amount of gifts. Unacceptable and Fagan should be scrutinised. One injury to Zorko and you're cooked.

 

[Elixuh]

Yeah, but Mac Andrew plus Will Ashcroft plus Fletcher. And Goodie is all of a sudden a 3 time premiership coach.

But let's be real, losing 6 games is a disgrace with the amount of gifts. Unacceptable and Fagan should be scrutinised. One injury to Zorko and you're cooked.

And with the dees list it could have been more than 3 flags. Who knows how many.