Cameron Green

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I'm not expecting Sobers level. That out of this world. He was once in hundred year player.
Give me the gun specialist bat over bits and pieces player every time if got the choice.

I was lucky enough to watch Sobers play. He is without doubt the most complete cricketer I have seen. Sometime he would open the bowling and provide swing and seam at a decent clip, then return and bowl decent left arm leggies.

Meanwhile he was brilliant in the field.

And oh yep his batting was a joy to watch.

 

[Pippen94]

I'm not expecting Sobers level. That out of this world. He was once in hundred year player.
Give me the gun specialist bat over bits and pieces player every time if got the choice.

Give to a true all rounder for team balance & variety. We've had plenty of great batsmen but no world class all rounder since miller..

 

[footyfan1978]

I was lucky enough to watch Sobers play. He is without doubt the most complete cricketer I have seen. Sometime he would open the bowling and provide swing and seam at a decent clip, then return and bowl decent left arm leggies.

Meanwhile he was brilliant in the field.

And oh yep his batting was a joy to watch.

You lucky old bugger.
Wish I was old enough to have seen him.

 

[footyfan1978]

Give to a true all rounder for team balance & variety. We've had plenty of great batsmen but no world class all rounder since miller..

and that is how rare they are. It so hard to master both skills that most that try to do both end up mastering neither. Botham a clear example of yeah, he sometimes won a few games with bat but also a lot of his time he was not really a good enough bat to be picked in the side on it but still batted in specialist position and England were never a number one side in his career.

The best guys called allrounders are ones that master one of the bowling or batting skills and the second one they accept they cannot be a master of but still contribute with the other skill. That the road for Green. Master the batting and concentrate on it to enable you to master it. Have a bowl in nets but not try to work on it to the levels of a specialist bowler because if you do, it will steal time from mastering the batting in nets. Steve Smith great example of this to be able to master at least one of the skills of batting or bowling.

 

[Pippen94]

and that is how rare they are. It so hard to master both skills that most the try to do both end up mastering neither. Botham a clear example of yeah, he sometimes won a few games with bat but also a lot of his time he was not really a good enough bat to be picked in the side on it but still batted in specialist position and England were never a number one side in his career.

The best guys called allrounders are ones that master one of the bowling or batting skills and the second one they accept they cannot be a master of but still contribute with the other skill. That the road for Green. Master the batting and concentrate on it to enable you to master it. Have a bowl in nets but not try to work on it to the levels of a specialist bowler because if you do, the will steal time from mastering the batting in nets.

Did you watch him bowl yesterday?! Looks like he could become full time bowler if he wants

 

[footyfan1978]

Did you watch him bowl yesterday?! Looks like he could become full time bowler if he wants

Yep, he was good. He reminds me of Joel Garner with the height the ball comes from.
He could become a full time bowler but he not going to be a Garner or Cummins. That another level or two again.
Make sure the batting is what you master. The bowling is a wonderful bonus and should be seen as such.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

But his bowling seems to have very good upside also.

Stokes 36 average test cricket.
Flintoff. 31.
Pollock. 32.
Khan 37.
Botham. 33

Allrounder at test level is a tough gig

for those fellas - bowling was their strength (stokes aside)

auatralia have had 1 gun allrounder in almost 150 years


Green looks to have a talent set to be our second

 

[Pippen94]

Yep, he was good. He reminds me of Joel Garner with the height the ball comes from.
He could become a full time bowler but he not going to be a Garner or Cummins. That another level or two again.
Make sure the batting is what you master. The bowling is a wonderful bonus and should be seen as such.

Batting looks awkward with movement around front leg. Don't see Sobers comparison. Bowling will be strength

 

[Marcel Proust]

Batting looks awkward with movement around front leg. Don't see Sobers comparison. Bowling will be strength

FC average @ 52 sounds promising

 

[Pippen94]

FC average @ 52 sounds promising

First class isn't tests. Just my feelings, but then who would've guessed a legspinner batting at 8 would go onto being best batsman since Bradman!? Who knows how things will turn out?!

 

[Marcel Proust]

First class isn't tests. Just my feelings, but then who would've guessed a legspinner batting at 8 would go onto being best batsman since Bradman!? Who knows how things will turn out?!

It's not but he's 22.

Who knows how itll unfold

 

[footyfan1978]

Batting looks awkward with movement around front leg. Don't see Sobers comparison. Bowling will be strength

Wrong again in comprehension. Nobody ever going to be Sobers. Batting is where it is at for Green. Bowling wonderful bonus.

 

[Yoda_]

Give to a true all rounder for team balance & variety. We've had plenty of great batsmen but no world class all rounder since miller..

People like yourself need a quick reminder that Green is in the top 6 (8) bats in the country. His shield form has been exceptional. an added bonus he can bowl 140 km/h.

 

[Yoda_]

for those fellas - bowling was their strength (stokes aside)

auatralia have had 1 gun allrounder in almost 150 years


Green looks to have a talent set to be our second

Would be a good straw poll to see how Shane Watson was / is regarded now for his international career. At the time most bemoaned his 30's - 60's and his 1 - 3 wickets every few tests but in hindsight, we should appreciate how tough a gig it is being an international all rounder.

 

[Pistol Night]

Would be a good straw poll to see how Shane Watson was / is regarded now for his international career. At the time most bemoaned his 30's - 60's and his 1 - 3 wickets every few tests but in hindsight, we should appreciate how tough a gig it is being an international all rounder.
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Makes you appreciate how good Jacques Kallis was.

 

[Pippen94]

People like yourself need a quick reminder that Green is in the top 6 (8) bats in the country. His shield form has been exceptional. an added bonus he can bowl 140 km/h.

I don't need any reminder. Guy has amazing potential, but nobody knows what future holds. I wish him all the best and actually think & hope he becomes a great all rounder.

Shield success doesn't always equal test success. In fact most batsmen work out their game before they thrive at the top level.

Interestingly, there have only been two standout batsmen around about Green's height; Tony Grieg & Jason Holder. Far more success pace bowlers share his dimensions.

 

[Pippen94]

Wrong again in comprehension. Nobody ever going to be Sobers. Batting is where it is at for Green. Bowling wonderful bonus.

Very few standout batsmen have been Green's height.

 

[Yoda_]

Makes you appreciate how good Jacques Kallis was.

Plenty of guys who should be appreciated more than what they are.


In todays day and age, a guy like Shaun Pollock (3781 runs @ 32.3, 421 wickets @ 23.1) would be much more highly regarded than what they should be if these records were watched unfold now.

 

[Yoda_]

Very few standout batsmen have been Green's height.

Evolution would suggest we haven't seen many batsmen at Green's height. Period

 

[Pippen94]

Plenty of guys who should be appreciated more than what they are.


In todays day and age, a guy like Shaun Pollock (3781 runs @ 32.3, 421 wickets @ 23.1) would be much more highly regarded than what they should be if these records were watched unfold now.

Pollock was playing just over a decade ago. Most here know & appreciate his career.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Jones would've, but lefties were more Flintoff's thing.

Also Flintoff wouldn't have targeted Watto's pads in the way Jones could have. Flintoff's natural length was short. Watson was ok with short-pitched stuff.

 

[Gethelred]

Also Flintoff wouldn't have targeted Watto's pads in the way Jones could have. Flintoff's natural length was short. Watson was ok with short-pitched stuff.

It's part of why that Wahab Riaz spell in the WC was so impressive.

Watto was a terrific puller, but he played the front foot pull compared to a traditional back foot shot, confident in his eye and the fact that as quite a tall bloke most bowlers couldn't get it quite high enough to challenge him. In that spell, he was found wanting a hook shot, and that he survived it is both a testament to how well he played - he went on to make 70-80 odd, a spell which won us the match - and a bit of luck.

Bouncers at 150+km angled at your throat left arm over looked terrifying.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

It's part of why that Wahab Riaz spell in the WC was so impressive.

Watto was a terrific puller, but he played the front foot pull compared to a traditional back foot shot, confident in his eye and the fact that as quite a tall bloke most bowlers couldn't get it quite high enough to challenge him. In that spell, he was found wanting a hook shot, and that he survived it is both a testament to how well he played - he went on to make 70-80 odd, a spell which won us the match - and a bit of luck.

Bouncers at 150+km angled at your throat left arm over looked terrifying.

Pakistan have always turned out quite superb quicks!

 

[Doodlesweaver]

You just keep Green in.

He has so much potential both with bat and ball and at the moment his performances are borderline enough to keep his spot anyway so you keep picking the bloke with potential.

The biggest bonus with Green is that he swings the ball which is a massive bonus for us adding essential variety on flat wickets given our focus on extreme pace with our 3 pace bowlers.

They won't though unless he scores some runs or they keep winning. Can't keep him in without at least a 50 every couple of matches.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I don't need any reminder. Guy has amazing potential, but nobody knows what future holds. I wish him all the best and actually think & hope he becomes a great all rounder.

Shield success doesn't always equal test success. In fact most batsmen work out their game before they thrive at the top level.

Interestingly, there have only been two standout batsmen around about Green's height; Tony Grieg & Jason Holder. Far more success pace bowlers share his dimensions.

Got 1 in world root twice also