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He barely bowls anyway. The issue is he needs a sports psychologist not to give up bowling.
Some time off will do him good.
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He barely bowls anyway. The issue is he needs a sports psychologist not to give up bowling.
Some time off will do him good.
A good read this one:
It is worth recalibrating our expectations of Green? I myself am guilty of placing high expectations on him as about 18 months ago I posted his stats in comparison to Kallis at similar parts of their careers after his 174 in NZ. Kallis was an absolute freak and I don’t think he will be matched by anyone anytime soon. If not ever.
Can we accept that Green staying at no.6 and continuing on his current trend and averaging 30-35 with both bat and ball for the next 10 years will be good enough? Heck it puts him in the realm of some pretty impressive names.
He’s athletically gifted to have the body, height and pace of an out and out fast bowler but the batting technique of a top 4 batter. Is leaving him at no.6 wasting his talent? Who knows. Future events of Smith retiring may be perfect timing if he cements himself in the side.
He’s essentially starting his career again.
The break between the Sydney test and top end tests in August will be good for him. Get some cricket under his belt for a sustained period and against some lesser opposition might give him a bit of confidence ahead of South Africa.
It is worth recalibrating our expectations of Green? I myself am guilty of placing high expectations on him as about 18 months ago I posted his stats in comparison to Kallis at similar parts of their careers after his 174 in NZ. Kallis was an absolute freak and I don’t think he will be matched by anyone anytime soon. If not ever.
Can we accept that Green staying at no.6 and continuing on his current trend and averaging 30-35 with both bat and ball for the next 10 years will be good enough? Heck it puts him in the realm of some pretty impressive names.
He’s athletically gifted to have the body, height and pace of an out and out fast bowler but the batting technique of a top 4 batter. Is leaving him at no.6 wasting his talent? Who knows. Future events of Smith retiring may be perfect timing if he cements himself in the side.
He’s essentially starting his career again.
The break between the Sydney test and top end tests in August will be good for him. Get some cricket under his belt for a sustained period and against some lesser opposition might give him a bit of confidence ahead of South Africa.
Batting at seven is just a waste atm for Green... going forward yes smith spot at 4 or 6...I would look at 5 if they are going to persist with head opening which I think is 50/50
I dont agree with Maccas view of batting carey at 6...yes he is doing well atm but only a few seasons ago carey was struggling with the blade ...he is a keeper keep it simple have your keeper seven for me then your 6 bats and allrounder in the top six
Throwing him around these last 12 months from 3-8 is just F**king him
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Agree re Carey, I’ve never liked teams who play their keeper at 6 as it generally means you have a bits and pieces all-rounder at no.7 rather than a genuine top 6 bat who can bowl. Hell we hardly played Gilly at no.6 and he could’ve batted 4 in most teams.
If this is our expectation, I’d rather have a proper batsman at 6 (averaging 40 plus) and rely on 4 bowlers and occasional contributors.
In addition to his underwhelming batting, Green really isn’t doing enough with the ball to be considered a useful all rounder.
He’d be a good number 8 if he was consistently bowling 15-20 overs.
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Don’t agree that it’s just a matter of we have too high expectations, he’s averaging a tick over 20 for 2025 and his out put with the ball is a long way short of where it needs to be to justify carrying that.
The heat is coming from his form, not from people expecting him to be kallis
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Drop him.
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I think the best thing for him would be to go back and dominate shield cricket for a while and go to county cricket and make some good runs there. Needs to get some good time out in the middle and figure out his game. We’ve got 8 months off and then an absurd amount of cricket in the 12 months after that. There is likely to be a little bit of change with the age of the current group, need Green to be at his best by August. Can’t spend that period with him being a bits and bobs player. I know he had his best knock at 4 but don’t think his game is suited for that. Just making 6 his own would be nice, maybe 5 so you could introduce a younger player (maybe Connolly to 6)
Unfortunately he is a regular in the limited overs teams so will probably not play any long form cricket between now and August. His mind is completely lost at the moment, not sure how he is supposed to fix that by some T20 bashing
He averages 52 in shield cricket and before the test championship did go to county cricket and make some tons...some ducks also ...
It's a shame the T20 is on feb march the same time as the shield would be great for him to play a couple of shield games
I would like him after the t20 is over go back to country cricket before the Aug series against bangledesh..keep expanding his game will be good for him
Going forward 5/6 is where he is best suited
and sometimes playing white ball can free up the mind and get some confidence
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Bowling is ass today.
Needs an innings of note this match or he should be axed.
Needs an innings of note this match or he should be axed.
Not many teams have one, but a true all rounder should be able to hold a test spot as a number 6 on their own, or as the number 4 bowler on their own. Doing both is gold.
Green is doing neither, for a long time.
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I agree with this. The problem is we dont have much FC cricket coming up for a while and he will be focused on the t20 stuff.
But he needs to go back and mentally sort out his approach to both his batting and bowling.
A thousand times yes.
Green is clearly a bit of a confidence player and if he fails in this Test, he's not going to be far off Mitch Marsh levels when it comes to his record and the public turning on him.
We need to not make the mistake we made with Marsh by keeping him in the side indefinitely as it will be equally detrimental. They get to a point where even if they play well in a game or two, the public are fatigued, their record is terrible and they can never really recover.
Unless he blows everyone away in the Shield he should be the back-up all-rounder until after the 2027 Ashes when we're rebuilding the whole side. At that point just about every spot in the top 7 bar Travis Head will be up for grabs, he'll still be in his 20s and hopefully he's ready, like was the case with Hayden, Langer, Martyn and many others.
We need to not make the mistake we made with Marsh by keeping him in the side indefinitely as it will be equally detrimental. They get to a point where even if they play well in a game or two, the public are fatigued, their record is terrible and they can never really recover.
Unless he blows everyone away in the Shield he should be the back-up all-rounder until after the 2027 Ashes when we're rebuilding the whole side. At that point just about every spot in the top 7 bar Travis Head will be up for grabs, he'll still be in his 20s and hopefully he's ready, like was the case with Hayden, Langer, Martyn and many others.
Let's not rewrite history .Maxy had a weakness v pace bowling/short ball and was never going to be a number 4 for the test team outside of Asia. and his bowling is that of a part timer.
Funny how stats wise Green is almost the same as stokes
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Lower down the order suiting him better.
He isn't a no.3
He isn't a no.3
The bigger issue is that he sort of has to make it as a top 4 batsmen or Australian cricket will be in all sorts of trouble, hence them giving him a long leash and plenty of opportunities further up the order.
Happy to keep him at 6 long term but that requires finding another 3 batsmen better than him to replace the outgoing guys, and I’m not sure they exist currently.
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I think the rub here is that he now really has somebody outperforming him in that role - Webster.
They've been a bit cute here in playing them both and leaving out a spinner - but that's not going to be an option most of the time. They'll probably get away with it here as England are shit.
Yeah I tend to agree. Nothing wrong with Green going back to the shield for a bit and if there’s competition between Webster and Green, then that will be healthy for both parties.
He's no good.
He's failed at 3, 6 and 7. At the moment Green is just a walking wicket. Horrible failure in an earlier Test premeditating against an average bowler in Carse. Horrible failures playing at number 3 in the world Test champions decider which was a major contributing factor in Australia losing that match. I don't think I have seen a player given as many opportunities as Green and basically flush them all.
It looks to me like he's learnt to bat against a bowling machine; everything about him is wooden.
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