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Jack Mundy said:
Why isn't Jack Edwards in conversation for all rounder spot?! Seems like better bowling than both Webster and Green.
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He has been getting call ups for Australia A recently which suggests he probably isn’t too far away.

I think the bowling means very little for the all rounder spot. Green bowled 36 overs in the first four games, probably rarely more than 4 in a spell. The four first choice bowlers should get the job done and that fifth bowler is really just to get a few extra minutes rest

Edwards batting is solid enough but think would need some to see more evidence that it’s strong enough to be top 7 in the national setup. This is his stats the past few seasons

SeasonMatInnsNORunsAve100s50s
2025/2658228547.5001
2024/25914143533.4613
2023/24712137333.9002
TOTAL21344109336.4316

Webster knocked down the door over multiple seasons averaging 50 or thereabouts. If Edwards can have a season where he makes multiple hundreds and averages around that, then I’m sure he would get an opportunity (that’s providing Green continues his current output and doesn’t become the player he should be)
 

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Snarls Barkley said:
He has been getting call ups for Australia A recently which suggests he probably isn’t too far away.

I think the bowling means very little for the all rounder spot. Green bowled 36 overs in the first four games, probably rarely more than 4 in a spell. The four first choice bowlers should get the job done and that fifth bowler is really just to get a few extra minutes rest

Edwards batting is solid enough but think would need some to see more evidence that it’s strong enough to be top 7 in the national setup. This is his stats the past few seasons

SeasonMatInnsNORunsAve100s50s
2025/2658228547.5001
2024/25914143533.4613
2023/24712137333.9002
TOTAL21344109336.4316

Webster knocked down the door over multiple seasons averaging 50 or thereabouts. If Edwards can have a season where he makes multiple hundreds and averages around that, then I’m sure he would get an opportunity (that’s providing Green continues his current output and doesn’t become the player he should be)
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Green and Webster aren't exactly setting world on fire. Maybe approach to team makeup needs to change?!
 
What was the reset between balls he was doing yesterday? he kept looking into the crowd then the sky ? praying to God ? haha Not a good sign mentally he is trying out new methods in the middle of game.
 
madjoe said:
What was the reset between balls he was doing yesterday? he kept looking into the crowd then the sky ? praying to God ? haha Not a good sign mentally he is trying out new methods in the middle of game.
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Just for those stating there are no obvious candidates to replace him as a batter, Head averages 40 and Marnus averaged 36 when first selected.

That's not exactly bashing down the door.

It's time to take a chance again.

My bigger concern for Green right now is that he looks mentally shot. Keeping him in the side in this condition doesn't help him. Again, both Travis and Marnus were dropped at different points. It can be useful.
 
Interesting comparison between Green and Webster. Like for like in many ways; both near 2 metres tall, right hand middle order bat and right arm seamers. Green made his test debut at 21 though, while Webster was 31. Green seems more talented but Webster with small sample size has been more effective.
 
Jack Mundy said:
Interesting comparison between Green and Webster. Like for like in many ways; both near 2 metres tall, right hand middle order bat and right arm seamers. Green made his test debut at 21 though, while Webster was 31. Green seems more talented but Webster with small sample size has been more effective.
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Webster just looks like a much much better and experienced batsman at the present.

Green averages 5 overs a innings in test cricket, I think Webster can fill that void if required.

Webster is now averaging 45 in test cricket from 13 knocks.

Greens average is nose diving and likely to be in the 20's soon.

That seems about right to the current eye test.
 
Jack Mundy said:
Interesting comparison between Green and Webster. Like for like in many ways; both near 2 metres tall, right hand middle order bat and right arm seamers. Green made his test debut at 21 though, while Webster was 31. Green seems more talented but Webster with small sample size has been more effective.
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Webster is one of those blokes like Voges, Hussey etc who have got a shot later in their career and come in assured with their game as complete as it will get. I'm a big Green fan but he needs more time, will probably get dropped again maybe sooner than later.

It's just strange how I've heard the Aussie team justify some selections as trying to win this series at hand, not plan for the future. Well picking the team on its merits Webster should have played every game.
 
bluespooner said:
Because he isn't good enough. The player that should be in the conversation for the all rounder spot is Will Sutherland.
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Sutherland with a FC batting average of 18? Yeah, nah
 
We're doing something different this test with him.

In the past, he's been used as the 5th seamer; 8 overs, rotation option, chopout and give the main quicks a rest. But here's he's being used as the 3rd-4th seamer, behind Starc and Boland but not really behind Neser. Neser fills in for the spinner as Carey can keep up to him, and Green is much faster. He's bowler fast but not particularly well to this point, but I'm seeing hints today of a bit more fitness and venom.

He still bowls too many gifts - half volleys and just short tripe, but also just clips off the legs - but it's interesting. It's an adjustment of what they see him to be: a bloke who could be an acceptable no.7-8 and 4th bowling option rather than genuine all rounder, or at least until the figures warrant it. He'd want to get much better if they want to do it beyond the short term, though.
 
Dropping Green is technically redundant, as the next test series is so far off, there is 6-7 months where he can get his mind out of the funk and play some good short form cricket, confidence up hopefully.

Then it's essentially a reset & see how he goes in SA. In the lead in, instead of tiggy touchwood nets sessions, they need to emphasize a batting plan for him, this is where If he fails there, then drop him, 26-27 in the Shield, let him find his composure. Do a Mitch Johnson, bring in a 1 on 1 coach, someone who was an all-rounder who knows the demands.

It may also be time to move on Michael DiVenuto. I know Haydos has suggested it. He's been there for quite a while, and if anything Green, Labs, many guys have gone backwards in their temperament and ability to play to conditions.
Part blame on McDonalds ideals of let them train how they want to, they'll never get over their weaknesses if they do the same thing they've always done.
 

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Gethelred said:
We're doing something different this test with him.

In the past, he's been used as the 5th seamer; 8 overs, rotation option, chopout and give the main quicks a rest. But here's he's being used as the 3rd-4th seamer, behind Starc and Boland but not really behind Neser. Neser fills in for the spinner as Carey can keep up to him, and Green is much faster. He's bowler fast but not particularly well to this point, but I'm seeing hints today of a bit more fitness and venom.

He still bowls too many gifts - half volleys and just short tripe, but also just clips off the legs - but it's interesting. It's an adjustment of what they see him to be: a bloke who could be an acceptable no.7-8 and 4th bowling option rather than genuine all rounder, or at least until the figures warrant it. He'd want to get much better if they want to do it beyond the short term, though.
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This season will probably be an anomaly given the two and three days tests and the loss of revenue. If that's the case Australian teams will include a spinner as fourth option. Selectors will want somebody to roll arm over in top 7. As identified in this thread Jack Edwards is probably a better bowling allrounder anyway.
 
Ever since that horrible "shot" in Brisbane, his confidence is shot with getting out with more horrible shots, running out himself, wicket from a no-ball and how a stupid drop catch. Mentally he isn't up to Test cricket, retire and focus on T20 and ODI.
 
Green aside, there's a pretty good argument that Webster is simply one of Australia's best 5 or 6 test batsmen at the moment and so should 100% be in the side based on that.

Whether he bats 6 or 7 is just down to Carey's preference.

He's best placed to take Khawaja's spot.

His bowling is a bonus.
 
madjoe said:
Let's not rewrite history .Maxy had a weakness v pace bowling/short ball and was never going to be a number 4 for the test team outside of Asia. and his bowling is that of a part timer.

Funny how stats wise Green is almost the same as stokes
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Yes but stokes stands up in big moments. Green is fragile as all heck.
 
Jack Mundy said:
Why isn't Jack Edwards in conversation for all rounder spot?! Seems like better bowling than both Webster and Green.
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Depends whether you want a bowling all rounder or a batting all rounder.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
Yes but stokes stands up in big moments. Green is fragile as all heck.
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Green is also six years younger than Webster and eight years younger than Stokes.

It's a bit interesting to me how fragile Green is when at 24 Carlos Braithwaite proceeded to embarass Ben Stokes in the T20 world cup years back. How Mike Hussey was considered a poor alternative to open ahead of Langer's promotion ahead of him. Usman Khawaja was dropped from the national squad at 30, just as he was entering his prime.

It might just be me being a bit contrary - I've been first in the queue saying Cam Green needs to improve, for a period of years rather than just this series - but I'm finding the criticism of him OTT. He's 'mentally weak' when it looks to me like he's just a bit low on confidence and form.

Travis Head can look pretty shit when he's not in form, too.

He's a work in progress, there was nothing wrong with his selection at the beginning of the series, and I take zero ****ing issue with them keeping him in for youth when the rest of the ****ing team is over 34.
 

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Being up 3-0 has probably meant Green has kept his spot for the series and the lack of cricket till the next series will probably keep him in the side as well.

I wonder if the scores were 2-2 and the fifth test was not a dead rubber, would we have chosen Green?
 
He’s a major concern. Since returning from injury he’s now had 15 knocks and averaged 22 with a high score of 52. It’s very poor stuff from a top 6 batsman.

Having said that I expect he hangs around because there’s other issues and not really anybody knocking the door down. Khawaja’s departure comes at a very good time for him as it opens up a spot that Webster quite possibly takes, at least for now. I don’t really see who else is primed to come in at bat 6 or 7 other than Green.
 
Webster clearly ahead of him now. Still think he’s worth persisting with and there’s obviously been a significant investment with the major back surgery he’s had.

I still think he finishes with a Shane Watson average of 35-37 ish and hopefully his bowling improves more to justify an all-rounder spot.

Probably gives up the bowling in 4-5 years which might help his batting.

Keep the faith
 
Cotchin 9 said:
Webster clearly ahead of him now. Still think he’s worth persisting with and there’s obviously been a significant investment with the major back surgery he’s had.

I still think he finishes with a Shane Watson average of 35-37 ish and hopefully his bowling improves more to justify an all-rounder spot.

Probably gives up the bowling in 4-5 years which might help his batting.

Keep the faith
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Green will just take the no5 and we have Webster down the order where he sees to prefer. It’s win win.

Green still averages more away from home and has more tons away from home than Travis head.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
He’s a major concern. Since returning from injury he’s now had 15 knocks and averaged 22 with a high score of 52. It’s very poor stuff from a top 6 batsman.

Having said that I expect he hangs around because there’s other issues and not really anybody knocking the door down. Khawaja’s departure comes at a very good time for him as it opens up a spot that Webster quite possibly takes, at least for now. I don’t really see who else is primed to come in at bat 6 or 7 other than Green.
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He’s had a poor series but the averages don’t tell the true story of how good he was in the WI.
 

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