Opinion Cameron Guthrie

[Partridge]

Tell your sons, daughters, nephews and nieces to keep the #29 on their backs because this bloke is a quality footballer.

Way ahead of you SJ. I told my 2-year-old daughter that. She laughed and started patting my head with toast.

 

[sarah.13]

Guthrie has in my opinion the hardest initiation of all the youngsters.
He has played deep defence where mistakes are punished with goals. Where easy possessions are hard to get and discipline and concentration are vital. He has done well and now deserves some freedom to show his skills and potential as a midfielder (run with role)
Was good to see him snag 2 gls . He will improve on that as he gets more midfield time.

 

[Pivo]

Guthrie has in my opinion the hardest initiation of all the youngsters.
He has played deep defence where mistakes are punished with goals. Where easy possessions are hard to get and discipline and concentration are vital. He has done well and now deserves some freedom to show his skills and potential as a midfielder (run with role)
Was good to see him snag 2 gls . He will improve on that as he gets more midfield time.

Spot on.

As someone mentioned earlier in this post, you don't throw him in the deep end where his mistakes are amplified if you don't think he'll develop into a player.

People may have forgotten the failed attempt at using Smedts as a half back last year. And before people say "yeah, but Smedts clearly isn't a defender", I'd remind them that Guthrie isn't really one either.

Guthrie is a midfielder being asked to learn defence. Same way Milburn and Enright were mids that were turned into backmen.

The fact he keeps getting the nod in a tough position (for a kid) speaks volumes for the way he is viewed internally at the club.

 

[Partridge]

Spot on.

As someone mentioned earlier in this post, you don't throw him in the deep end where his mistakes are amplified if you don't think he'll develop into a player.

People may have forgotten the failed attempt at using Smedts as a half back last year. And before people say "yeah, but Smedts clearly isn't a defender", I'd remind them that Guthrie isn't really one either.

Guthrie is a midfielder being asked to learn defence. Same way Milburn and Enright were mids that were turned into backmen.

The fact he keeps getting the nod in a tough position (for a kid) speaks volumes for the way he is viewed internally at the club.

Best evidence I can think of - as far as how he's rated internally - is before the Grand Final in 2011. He was named out of nowhere as an emergency. That was his first season at the club, and he'd played 2 senior games. Scott wouldn't do that unless he had a lot of faith in him. And he's miles better now.

 

[FoolCat]

My view on Guthrie is that he'll be one of the better players that have played for GFC and every bit as good as Enright. He has the skills, is very clean, can take a mark, is disciplined and just makes good decisions.

Maybe I'm under-selling Enright a touch.

 

[SJ]

Best evidence I can think of - as far as how he's rated internally - is before the Grand Final in 2011. He was named out of nowhere as an emergency. That was his first season at the club, and he'd played 2 senior games. Scott wouldn't do that unless he had a lot of faith in him. And he's miles better now.

He also played Round 1 of that year, months after he was drafted.

 

[Partridge]

My view on Guthrie is that he'll be one of the better players that have played for GFC and every bit as good as Enright. He has the skills, is very clean, can take a mark, is disciplined and just makes good decisions.

Maybe I'm under-selling Enright a touch.

Yep. I'll put it in less outlandish terms.........for a young defender/midfielder who has played 25 games or so, I couldn't be happier with where he is. He already looks stronger than last year and better again. Just great to watch.

 

[The rabbi]

Yep. I'll put it in less outlandish terms.........for a young defender/midfielder who has played 25 games or so, I couldn't be happier with where he is. He already looks stronger than last year and better again. Just great to watch.

Parts, can you see him getting a spell in the middle given our center clearance woes? Just to see what he can do.

 

[footscore]

and every bit as good as Enright

your opinion and all but Boris has been A+ for a good 10 years now. Scarlett is the only defender I'd have above him but even then, Scarlett could not to do the things Boris can and vice versa.

If Guthrie becomes half the player of Enright, he will end up being an All-Australian 200 gamer as Boris has won multiple B&F's, AA's, stood up time and time again in countless finals and continues to hold his standard as one of the games greatest mid-sized defenders.
In fact, Enright has yet again got one foot in the All-Australian selectors door...could be 5 nominations in an era dominated by defensive minded coaches & teams.

Extraordinary!

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

He also played Round 1 of that year, months after he was drafted.

My opinion, and I'm sure nobody will agree with me, is that Guthrie was given those two games at the start to nullify any kind of reverence for him wearing "Gary's Number". Not saying he wouldn't ever have been considered for selection otherwise but it got that little piece of tension out of the way very early on.

 

[Daitro]

The two goals at the end were nice but other than that he pretty much did nothing. 8 touches, 2 marks and 1 rebound 50 from 85% game time.

 

[Partridge]

Parts, can you see him getting a spell in the middle given our center clearance woes? Just to see what he can do.

Prior to last week I wouldn't have thought so. But, with Taylor Hunt still out, and no other clear tagger, maybe give him a run-with role. If he's fit they could bring Horlin-Smith back as well for the same reason.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The two goals at the end were nice but other than that he pretty much did nothing. 8 touches, 2 marks and 1 rebound 50 from 85% game time.

He's a negating defender. It's not his job to get Dream Team points. He was mainly playing on Aaron Hall, who kicked five on Hawthorn last week. Hall didn't feature in the goalkickers on Saturday night. If every member of our back six kept his opponent under two goals, we would win every game. That's their job, first and foremost.

 

[Partridge]

The two goals at the end were nice but other than that he pretty much did nothing. 8 touches, 2 marks and 1 rebound 50 from 85% game time.

Tom Hawkins - 9 touches, 5 marks. Apart from the two goals he did nothing either.
Tom Lonergan - 9 touches, 3 marks. No goals either. Less than nothing.

Stats aren't everything.

 

[AM]

Tom Hawkins - 9 touches, 5 marks. Apart from the two goals he did nothing either.
Tom Lonergan - 9 touches, 3 marks. No goals either. Less than nothing.

Stats aren't everything.

True. And Guthrie was quite good defensively. However some here are getting carried away by suggesting he'll be as good as Boris.

 

[Daitro]

Tom Hawkins - 9 touches, 5 marks. Apart from the two goals he did nothing either.
Tom Lonergan - 9 touches, 3 marks. No goals either. Less than nothing.

Stats aren't everything.

Hawkins took 4 contested marks and had 4 I50s, Lonergan had 6 1%s, if you look outside the basic stats they were at least involved in the game, I didn't mention any other of Guthrie's stats because he didn't have any.

 

[Daitro]

He's a negating defender. It's not his job to get Dream Team points. He was mainly playing on Aaron Hall, who kicked five on Hawthorn last week. Hall didn't feature in the goalkickers on Saturday night. If every member of our back six kept his opponent under two goals, we would win every game. That's their job, first and foremost.

Thought i'd go back and skim through the game because I don't remember him being on Hall. Couldn't find one bit of footage where he was manned up on him. Maybe he was at some point, but not for any period of time. Saw him on Lynch, Rischitelli and Ablett.

Our gameplan revolves around creating turnovers in defence and then turning them into attacking forays because our midfield can't breakeven at centre clearances. For 3/4s of the game on saturday it wasn't working at all and Guthrie having 5-6 possessions in 3 quarters wasn't helping.

When he has the ball he's very composed as his two late goals showed, i just think he needs to get in positions to get more of it. We could use his skills and decision making coming out of defence more than once or twice a game.

 

[flatcat]

To be honest, every time I saw Hall get the ball, Josh Hunt was with him. And Hall may have kicked a few goals if he had converted as well as he did the previous week.

 

[vinum coupe]

He's a negating defender. It's not his job to get Dream Team points. He was mainly playing on Aaron Hall, who kicked five on Hawthorn last week. Hall didn't feature in the goalkickers on Saturday night. If every member of our back six kept his opponent under two goals, we would win every game. That's their job, first and foremost.

I loved the quote I heard earlier today

"stats should be treated the way a drunk treats a lamp post. It's there for support. Not illumination"

 

[AM]

He's a negating defender. It's not his job to get Dream Team points. He was mainly playing on Aaron Hall, who kicked five on Hawthorn last week. Hall didn't feature in the goalkickers on Saturday night. If every member of our back six kept his opponent under two goals, we would win every game. That's their job, first and foremost.

15 possessions, 10 pressure acts and 3 score involvements at 67% efficiency isn't a shabby performance for a forward half player though. Some here were (justifiably) giving Burbs a tick for pretty much the same output.

Think some here are getting ahead of themselves with Guthrie.

 

[SJ]

The two goals at the end were nice but other than that he pretty much did nothing. 8 touches, 2 marks and 1 rebound 50 from 85% game time.

He played back pocket for the majority of the game and I didn't see him get beaten once. What more can he do?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I loved the quote I heard earlier today

"stats should be treated the way a drunk treats a lamp post. It's there for support. Not illumination"

Flush with stats? For a drunk, sometimes lamp posts can be toilets too

 

[giggler99]

I loved the quote I heard earlier today

"stats should be treated the way a drunk treats a lamp post. It's there for support. Not illumination"

Bang on!!! I'll be using that quote cheers

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Thought i'd go back and skim through the game because I don't remember him being on Hall. Couldn't find one bit of footage where he was manned up on him. Maybe he was at some point, but not for any period of time. Saw him on Lynch, Rischitelli and Ablett.

I haven't seen the replay. I was at the game and I'm telling you, he was playing on Hall.

 

[NewCatsFan85]

The two goals at the end were nice but other than that he pretty much did nothing. 8 touches, 2 marks and 1 rebound 50 from 85% game time.

Being a defender stats don't mean much (not yours anyway)! Geez when will ppl here learn that stat collecting does not make you best on ground! It's what you do with it and its how you HELP YOUR TEAM MATES to get the win that counts!