Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[HeHateMe]

Nah I've removed very little from this thread

The truth has been revealed!

 

[jackenny]

He does look classy when he gets the ball. His main issue is that he has trouble getting his hands on it enough. That may be his role this year as you say, but his secondary issue that he seems to lack the pace of a lot of outside players (compared to players like Smith) so probably needs to offer more than just being good on the outside to have a long term career.

His pace compared to others is a possible issue, but I am unsure if he looks slower due to the role he's playing atm (it's difficult to look quick when you have little space to move due to playing in heavy traffic as opposed to playing more on the outside like Smith, or possibly he puts himself in that position and needs to work on that part of his game or simply isn't fast enough to get that space). He's definitely worth persisting with in my opinion. He's one of the better young players at Hawthorn. Him and Teia Miles are my favourite Box Hill players, because they just look so classy compared to everyone else.

 

[hk89]

Nah I've removed very little from this thread

Isn't "very little" Nick Dal Santo's handle on big footy? Harsh to thread ban him.

 

[Brain Power]

James Worpel with a lazy 10 coaches votes on the weekend.

Star.

 

[TylerDurden]

James Worpel with a lazy 10 coaches votes on the weekend.

Star.

Stagnating.

 

[La Di Da]

Depends on the team.
Some teams continue to wallow at the bottom.

But look at someone like Brisbane.
Gone from basket case to genuine finals threat in 2 or 3 years, mainly based off top picks and smart gap filling via recruitment.

Actually quite similar to how Hawthorn did it.

I wonder what the common denominator is there?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Big game v a stumbling Geelong this week.

Lose and any chance of finals would be gone but win, well things then change

An intriguing encounter for the Hawthorn Hawks

 

[La Di Da]

Scully will be a completely different player next year

As will Wingard

 

[KermitJagger]

One thing we can all agree on here, most of us thought Mitch Lewis was a bit of an ironic selection as a bloke who not only had the name but also the number 53.

Proving us all wrong.

 

[threesixpio]

To be fair 5 of the top 6 posters in the thread are Hawthorn fans

Who is number one?

 

[threesixpio]

Worpel
Hanrahan
Lewis

Who needs the elite end

Not I

 

[threesixpio]

45
Rookie
76

Take it to the bank

 

[threesixpio]

Big game v a stumbling Geelong this week.

Lose and any chance of finals would be gone but win, well things then change

An intriguing encounter for the Hawthorn Hawks

Who are you tipping GE?

I’m tipping a former Geelong Falcons boy to get his team just over the line

 

[threesixpio]

I’d take a bullet for Hardwick

 

[HolyWars]

I’d take a bullet for Hardwick

My favourite player You know exactly what you're going to get, and an absolutely worthy recipient of the #15.

 

[matey]

Worpel’s second game this year he has received the 10 coaches votes/BOG. How did all these clubs with the elite picks of the draft let this one slip through? OMG. Seriously thank you.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Who are you tipping GE?

I’m tipping a former Geelong Falcons boy to get his team just over the line

You’re putting a lot of pressure on Gryan Miers but I agree he is a special talent

 

[Timo pez]

You’re putting a lot of pressure on Gryan Miers but I agree he is a special talent

Gryan Miers has been talked up a lot but i just see him as a benefactor of playing in a strong side and getting a lot of opportunities in the front half to impact the play or kick goals. The pro Geelong media look for young players they can rave on about. It might be cynical but i think he's an average player. lets see how wrong i am...

 

[Timo pez]

I get the vibe Morrison's inconsistent year is more a product of playing a utility / plug-up role at the moment as his best role is being taken by older, more experienced players (wing, HBF, run-out defender). He's also pretty young at the moment and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a leap next year if Smith leaves (and he has a better opportunity to play his first-choice role). He's an awesome outside player in the ressies.

Very rare to hear Clarko singing the praises of a rook but he almost cursed Morrison in the pre-season when he said something along the lines of "having A-Grade potential", as he hasnt looked the same player at senior level.

 

[jackenny]

Very rare to hear Clarko singing the praises of a rook but he almost cursed Morrison in the pre-season when he said something along the lines of "having A-Grade potential", as he hasnt looked the same player at senior level.

Probably explains why he's being given so much responsibility to plug up holes. Gift and a curse.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Gryan Miers has been talked up a lot but i just see him as a benefactor of playing in a strong side and getting a lot of opportunities in the front half to impact the play or kick goals. The pro Geelong media look for young players they can rave on about. It might be cynical but i think he's an average player. lets see how wrong i am...

There was an element of tongue in cheek in my response to threesixpio which is unusual as I’m not prone to levity on these boards.

But just on Miers, yes he may not be that special but he is fulfilling a role that team has needed for some time - small forward that kicks goals and creates pressure. Interestingly one of the guys he effectively replaced after Geelong lost patience with his injuries - Lincoln McCarthy - is having a great year with Brisbane.

Miers I think went late 50s national draft so an ok pick up by Geelong

 

[KermitJagger]

There was an element of tongue in cheek in my response to threesixpio which is unusual as I’m not prone to levity on these boards.

But just on Miers, yes he may not be that special but he is fulfilling a role that team has needed for some time - small forward that kicks goals and creates pressure. Interestingly one of the guys he effectively replaced after Geelong lost patience with his injuries - Lincoln McCarthy - is having a great year with Brisbane.

Miers I think went late 50s national draft so an ok pick up by Geelong

I like Miers as a player, he's crafty and may be slow but is always moving when he gets the ball so he's difficult to tackle. Couldn't ask for more from where you got him.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I wonder what the common denominator is there?

both received priority pick(s)

 

[Juddernaut08]

Personally I think Hawthorn will succeed as long as Al Clarko is the coach.

Look at what he's extracted from someone like Ricky Henderson. Delisted at Adelaide to core mid at Hawks. Astounding.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Personally I think Hawthorn will succeed as long as Al Clarko is the coach.

Look at what he's extracted from someone like Ricky Henderson. Delisted at Adelaide to core mid at Hawks. Astounding.

You wonder the hole he would leave if he suddenly left.