Captain VB

[earlsta]

Look, the guys obviously down on form at the moment but I think he himself needs to make the call at the end of the year if he's going relinquish the captaincy, doubt he'll be pushed.

Watching Hodge's match tonight, he only had 15 touches but jeez he was almost BOG by some of the work he did, compare that to Van Berlo's 15 touch games and it's chalk and cheese.
You need your captain lifting the team like what Hodge does, it's such a vital ingredient to a successful club.

I'm sure VB is a great guy and absolutely brilliant with the players and more importantly youngsters giving advice and leading them through training, but most importantly out on the ground where he's needed the most he seems to go missing, we need him to be lifting our team and doing things that captains do, making the tough calls and not the easy option of passing in a straight line. VB's actually got a decent kick on him, just doesn't use it as often as he should.

Meanwhile we've got a player who I think will be our greatest player ever waiting in the wings, this guy will be the best in the competition very soon, he is a rare package plus the leadership which he was born with, he carries players on his shoulders. Then there's Sloane who also has tremendous leadership and the will to succeed, I don't think the captaincy will be a burden for either of these two players because it's natural for them to lead, it will have no effect on their game whatsoever because they are already playing like captains week in week out.

We need to make this decision at the end of the year, or Nathan will have to, I like VB as a player & person but something has to give, he's not performing at the moment and he needs to be dropped, but we cannot afford to drop our captain.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? I hope VB has a fantastic game tomorrow and proves me wrong.

 

[cammo6556]

He has had a poor year, and plays a negative game more often that not, so he may not stand out or make the huge plays as much as a Watson, Ablett, Hodge etc.

Honestly I think in hindsight it may have been a necessary stopgap while Danger found consistency in his game and maturity, but I think VBs time as an onfield leader is coming to an end.

Thinking he is best in an off field mentoring capacity???

 

[Glenno23]

There wasn't a problem with his captaincy until this year

The opportunity is now upon us to improve the team and get some inspirational leadership happening

Its just not there when we need it right now

 

[Schulzycrow]

One thing I have noticed is that he is sticking and making tackles far less this season. AFC website stats page tells the story. On most things he is going ok, but
one of the keys for a midfielder and a leader who leads by example I see the tackles and 1%ers as something the captain should be doing to lead the way when things are hot. VB has dropped off the planet in both of these stats. His tackles are down to less than 2 a game and his 1%ers are down by half. His clearances are down from 2.9 avg to 1.6.

If he is playing injured rest him, otherwise he isn't trying hard enough or is out of form so rest him. I think we have to drop him if there isn't a massive spike today. We can't keep carrying players that are underperforming even if they are the captain.

2012 Con Poss Avg Uncon Avg Eff Disp Clangers Cent Clear Tackles 1%ers Games
Nathan van Berlo

171​

6.8​

267​

10.7​

67.5​

61​

2.4​

22​

0.9​

126​

5​

28​

1.1​

25​

2013
Nathan van Berlo

50​

6.2​

86​

10.7​

71.3​

17​

2.1​

5​

0.6​

15​

1.9​

4​

0.5​

8​

​

​

 

[King Elvis]

Your Captain doesn't have to be your best player.

But he needs to be good enough to be in your team.

You don't need to be an automatic selection to be a leader.

But you do to be Captain.

 

[haydo]

He needs to take a leaf out of Juddy's book.

Look at the better football Judd is playing after giving up the captaincy last season.

 

[Elite Crow]

Your Captain doesn't have to be your best player.

But he needs to be good enough to be in your team.

You don't need to be an automatic selection to be a leader.

But you do to be Captain.

And he needs a position. When you've got the love media in Rowey and Bone questioning VB there has to be a problem.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Two key decisions need to be made on VB

1. The club needs to and over Captaincy to Danger so he can concentrate on his role in the side

2. Sando needs to play VB as a tagger, this role plays to VB strengths and makes he a valuable member of our side

 

[Slippery Pete]

There wasn't a problem with his captaincy until this year

That is a little bit fanciful, Glenno.

 

[Slippery Pete]

He needs to take a leaf out of Juddy's book.

Look at the better football Judd is playing after giving up the captaincy last season.

That's inaccurate too - Judd won 3 B&Fs at Carlton as the captain.

Judd's not a great leader, but there's never been any doubt about his footy ability.

He had great deficiencies as a leader but the one thing he did do was lead by example. There's a lot more to it than that, but it keeps the critics at bay.

 

[Elite Crow]

There's also the small issue that Judd isn't carrying the injuries he was last year.

 

[PyroCrow]

Unless the players want a change it won't happen. They are the people that elected him and they are the people who will decide on his ability to captain next season and beyond. I know it's much more fun for us to think of Danger as captain but reality is that it's about what the players want, not us. TBH I think that when the time comes Sloane will get the captaincy over Danger.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Unless the players want a change it won't happen. They are the people that elected him and they are the people who will decide on his ability to captain next season and beyond.

That is not a leadership model at all and thankfully even the AFC don't agree with that.

Should we let the players decide on gameplan and selection too?

 

[PyroCrow]

That is not a leadership model at all and thankfully even the AFC don't agree with that.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/van-berlo-announced-as-captain.781606/

van Berlo becomes captain
9:48 AM Wed 08 Dec, 201

Nathan van Berlo is the new captain of the Adelaide Football Club.

A team vote confirmed the leadership group, and 24-year-old van Berlo’s rise to the captaincy role was then ratified yesterday by the coaches, management and Board.

My understanding was that at the AFC the team votes for the captain and the the leadership group but it seems that the coaches etc. also sign off on it. Regardless, it seems that the team still has a big say in who is leading them.

 

[Glenno23]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/van-berlo-announced-as-captain.781606/



My understanding was that at the AFC the team votes for the captain and the the leadership group but it seems that the coaches etc. also sign off on it. Regardless, it seems that the team still has a big say in who is leading them.

Under NC yes, but Sando picked him for the last 2 years IIRC

That is a little bit fanciful, Glenno.

Not really. He was "ok" no real problems. Could we have done better? Yes, but i think he's done the job required while Danger/Sloane matured. He sets a strong example on the track from all accounts and off the field obviously, and that was important in the 3 years of crap we dealt with. But now we need more

Its all about the opportunity to improve a current situation by making a good decision. Something the club looks incapable of right now

 

[Slippery Pete]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/van-berlo-announced-as-captain.781606/



My understanding was that at the AFC the team votes for the captain and the the leadership group but it seems that the coaches etc. also sign off on it. Regardless, it seems that the team still has a big say in who is leading them.

They do, I'm fully aware of that, but the coach still has to sign off on it. Nothing goes live without the coach's seal of approval.

If he signs off on VB beyond this year, there will be a heap of questions.

Dangerfield has served his apprenticeship - it is time for him to take the reigns from next year onwards, and hopefully be a ten year captain of the club.

 

[PyroCrow]

Under NC yes, but Sando picked him for the last 2 years IIRC

I wasn't aware of this change. Is there anything that confirms that this is the case?

 

[PyroCrow]

They do, I'm fully aware of that, but the coach still has to sign off on it. Nothing goes live without the coach's seal of approval.

If he signs off on VB beyond this year, there will be a heap of questions.

Dangerfield has served his apprenticeship - it is time for him to take the reigns from next year onwards, and hopefully be a ten year captain of the club.

But what if the players vote for VB again? Does he tell the players do go stuff themselves? VB has several more years left of (I hesitate to say) "good" footy in him, it is possible and highly likely that he could continue to captain over that time. The captain, in my mind, should be a position that is more about satisfying the players rather than the fans.

 

[Glenno23]

I wasn't aware of this change. Is there anything that confirms that this is the case?

I thought it was quite well known?

I think i read it in an article confirming VB as captain this year, that Sando had signed off on it

 

[BigLefty]

But what if the players vote for VB again? Does he tell the players do go stuff themselves? VB has several more years left of (I hesitate to say) "good" footy in him, it is possible and highly likely that he could continue to captain over that time. The captain, in my mind, should be a position that is more about satisfying the players rather than the fans.

not so much satisfy, but motivate, direct and inspire the players.

i have no problem with VB as a captain though, as long as it's not the only thing keeping him in the side.

any player can lead on the field. you dont have to have a C next to your name in The Record to inspire and motivate your teammates.

i think we all have an idea of what we expect from a captain on the field. does anyone know specifically what the captains role is the rest of the time?

 

[Mike Smyth]

Saddens me to think we will go into 2014 and to the Adelaide Oval with Chapman as chairman, Trigg as CEO and Van berlo as captain. What an exciting combination.

I wish we would stop making excuses for this guy, he's a nothing footballer and a horrible on field captain.

 

[1990crow]

He has to be dropped for next game, surely.

 

[King Elvis]

You'd hope so.

Useless, again.

 

[Mike Smyth]

You'd hope so.

Useless, again.

Lose this Elvis and Riley, Crouch, Kerridge and Lyons should play ever game for the rest of the season. Who goes it for them, take your pick of under performing senior players. Lets put our ground breaking and successful youth rotation policy aside for a few months.

 

[Dandy_GO]

We hear all about his leadership qualities, but he's shown very little lately.
A leader would have taken responsibility for Haneberry last week. van Berlo is a tagger by trade. Surely he could see that Haneberry was sitting off the back of EVERY stoppage, getting the easy ball, and then killing us with it. It was horrifying that the coaches took half the game to fix this. It made it worse that our captain wasn't smart/confident enough to take it upon himself to fix the situation. That would be what a leader would have done.