Captain VB

[Ravenous Crow]

14 and no influence whatsoever, after he had 28 and destroyed us in the first half.

Arghghghhh Vader it was of no importance. Hannaberry could have had 0 touches in the second half and it would still be fair to criticise VB for playing shit when there was an actual contest.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Largely irrelevant, considering the only player Sydney were offering for him was Jesse White - and Adelaide would have been asking Sydney to pay his entire salary.

It's not irrelevant at all - it's the end result of a very ugly affair which has resulted in damage to the club on and off the field.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Of course.. it would also be good if people here actually had an understanding of what VB's role is in the team, before making judgements about whether he's doing well or not.

Last week he shut Hanneberry out of the game after half time, yet most of the BF intelligentsia wanted him dropped for playing poorly.

Hanneberry had 14 disposals after half time and was still very influential.. Considering he was on 28 at half time, I think there was a fair chance VB could "quieten" him a bit..

 

[Wright Away]

Hanneberry had 14 disposals after half time and was still very influential.. Considering he was on 28 at half time, I think there was a fair chance VB could "quieten" him a bit..

Yeah, 14 in a half isn't exactly shit, that is 28 a game, I think it more likely that Hanneberry tired as a the game went on, rather than it having anything to do with van Berlo.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Just got back form the game, so pissed off with everything AFC related.

VB is a hack, period. You dont have to be the most talented or gifted to lay a tackle, a bump or drift forward and get a goal....

The Richmond supporters around me couldn't believe when i told them VB was captain they assumed it was Thommo or Danger... yup its that's bad.

 

[Vader]

It's not irrelevant at all - it's the end result of a very ugly affair which has resulted in damage to the club on and off the field.

To a certain extent I do actually agree with you. The reason I don't is because nothing materially changed at the end of last year, other than Tippett (and $800k) being removed from our list.

The list decisions made before trade week even began meant that we didn't have room on our list to sign any new players. All of our players were signed for 2013 and they actually had to de-list a signed player (Joyce) when they weren't allowed to de-list Tippett before the National Draft. This means that we were either going to be left with Tippett, or an $800k hole on our list - there was never any way of filling it. Even if Tippett had been traded out, we still wouldn't have had a list vacancy to fill via Free Agency or trading, given that we still had to meet the AFL's mandated minimum of 3 draftees in the ND (including rookie upgrades).

 

[King Elvis]

As Rowey said...we couldn't even hide him today.

He said that?

Of course.. it would also be good if people here actually had an understanding of what VB's role is in the team, before making judgements about whether he's doing well or not.

Last week he shut Hanneberry out of the game after half time, yet most of the BF intelligentsia wanted him dropped for playing poorly.

Please enlighten the rest of us what his role was today?

And what was it for the first half last week, when the Swans were putting a ten goal lead on us?

And your claim that Hannebury had 14 ineffective touches doesn't even need to be refuted.

 

[Lawrst]

He is a squad player at best. Premierships won over the years have had influential and
Inspiratonal captains. Selwood, Judd, maxwell, etc. All stand up when needed and carry the team at times.

Ummm.

One of these is not like the others.

 

[King Elvis]

Why didn't he put himself on Hannebury or Deledio when the game was there to be won?

 

[Vader]

Why didn't he put himself on Hannebury or Deledio when the game was there to be won?

Probably because the Coach gave him a different job in the first half. Want someone to blame? Blame Sando for taking a half of football to wake up to the fact that Hanneberry was destroying us.

 

[King Elvis]

Trust me, I blame Sando plenty - but that doesn't answer the question.

 

[Team DJ]

He is borderline best 22

 

[Vader]

He is borderline best 22

He's not.. he's really not. He's badly out of form, yes - but there are still more than 19 players out there who are injured/immature/rubbish/in worse form than VB.

 

[Elite Crow]

He's not.. he's really not. He's badly out of form, yes - but there are still more than 19 players out there who are injured/immature/rubbish/in worse form than VB.

Name them please. Or perhaps can someone else ask Vader to support his post by naming them because the delicate one has me on ignore.

 

[Jars458]

To a certain extent I do actually agree with you. The reason I don't is because nothing materially changed at the end of last year, other than Tippett (and $800k) being removed from our list.

The list decisions made before trade week even began meant that we didn't have room on our list to sign any new players. All of our players were signed for 2013 and they actually had to de-list a signed player (Joyce) when they weren't allowed to de-list Tippett before the National Draft. This means that we were either going to be left with Tippett, or an $800k hole on our list - there was never any way of filling it. Even if Tippett had been traded out, we still wouldn't have had a list vacancy to fill via Free Agency or trading, given that we still had to meet the AFL's mandated minimum of 3 draftees in the ND (including rookie upgrades).

What changed was tha everyone at the club learned they didnt need to be accountable because Trigg isn't.

 

[Vader]

What changed was tha everyone at the club learned they didnt need to be accountable because Trigg isn't.

Garbage.

 

[formula16]

as far as im concerned, he should relinquish the captaincy just so we can drop him from the team.

 

[King Elvis]

He's not.. he's really not. He's badly out of form, yes - but there are still more than 19 players out there who are injured/immature/rubbish/in worse form than VB.

Immature doesn't make him better.

19 players worse than him, in the side we're fielding?

 

[Vader]

Immature doesn't make him better.

19 players worse than him, in the side we're fielding?

By immature I was referring to the kids who are still in the early phases of their development and are still well short of being ready to play at the AFL level - Joyce, Atkins, Siggins, CEY.

I can see how it could also include players like Bernie Vince... but that was not my intention.

 

[King Elvis]

I assumed you were including Lyons and Kerridge and Grigg, based upon previous posts.

 

[Vader]

Immature doesn't make him better.

19 players worse than him, in the side we're fielding?

No.. We currently have a senior list of 40 players, plus Laird who has been promoted from the rookie list. That's a total of 41.

For VB to be inside the best 22, he needs to have at least 19 players below him. I do not have any trouble at all coming up with at least 20 players who are currently below him, even in his current poor form.

 

[Vader]

I assumed you were including Lyons and Kerridge and Grigg, based upon previous posts.

Grigg is borderline, but probably belongs in the "immature" group. Kerridge is in the out of form group. Lyons is just flat out of favour with the selectors - and I have no idea why.

 

[Vader]

as far as im concerned, he should relinquish the captaincy just so we can drop him from the team.

He's not being selected on the basis of captaincy.

 

[Wright Away]

He's not being selected on the basis of captaincy.

On what then? Being the 21st best player in the side. Whoopy what a champ at the young age of 27.

 

[King Elvis]

For VB to be inside the best 22, he needs to have at least 19 players below him. I do not have any trouble at all coming up with at least 20 players who are currently below him, even in his current poor form.

Take our current side, I'd have the following in front of him;

Johncock
Reilly
Martin
Lyons
Grigg
Kerridge
Riley
Tambling (maybe)
Crouch


VB is a genuine non entity at present. He has been terrible, and contributed almost nothing.