Captain VB

[Tex200]

Ummm.

One of these is not like the others.

Maxwell was an AA though. A feat VB has never and will never achieve. Not fit to tie his bootlaces

 

[Jars458]

Garbage.

You dont understand people or leadership then.

 

[King Elvis]

Otten was better than Maxwell that year, but your point stands

 

[Vader]

Take our current side, I'd have the following in front of him;

Johncock
Reilly
Martin
Lyons
Grigg
Kerridge
Riley
Tambling (maybe)
Crouch


VB is a genuine non entity at present. He has been terrible, and contributed almost nothing.

There is not a single player on that list who I would have ahead of VB. Not one. So.. with those 9 below him we:

Add those who are injured, or returning from injury: Walker, LJ, Shaw.
Add those who are still developing: Joyce, CEY, Atkins, Siggins
Those in the SANFL who aren't even remotely close to selection: L Thompson, Graham,
And those who are performing worse than VB (based on today's performance): Jaensch, Mackay, McKernan, Wright, Henderson

That makes a total of 23 players below him, for one reason or another. That makes him conservatively the 18th best player on our list. Far from ideal for our Captain to be so low, but he's still well inside the best 22.

 

[jenny61_99]

Sando loves him for some reason. In the press conference he mentioned how good VB was at shutting down someone (can't remember the Richmond player) during the game.

Ah, so the COACH says he was playing a role asked of him. Fancy that.

 

[Elite Crow]

Ah, so the COACH says he was playing a role asked of him. Fancy that.

What was his role in the first half?

 

[jenny61_99]

What was his role in the first half?

I'm just repeating what the COACH said. Not some anonymous keyboard warrior. The person who actually gave the lad a role to play. This is the same COACH, who should be asked why it took him a half a game to shut down Deledio - although, to his credit, it took him three quarters last week to make the move on Hannebury.

Can VB all you like. But I think in his case, there are extenuating circumstances as to why he is playing the role he is. And I don't believe it's out of choice.

 

[lincsPJ]

nathan vandenbergerlo is fringe. his captaincy is hindering the club from getting more games into lyons/kerridge/laird/crouch with his automatic selection. simple as that.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Ah, so the COACH says he was playing a role asked of him. Fancy that.

He did nothing in the 1st half (as usual).. Went to Deledio and quietened him a bit, but Deledio was still ok after half time.. Of course if a player has had a hard tag put on him he will be quieter than he was when running free.. He should be cutting a player out more than he did if that's the role.. He also went at 42% disposal efficiency

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm just repeating what the COACH said. Not some anonymous keyboard warrior. The person who actually gave the lad a role to play. This is the same COACH, who should be asked why it took him a half a game to shut down Deledio - although, to his credit, it took him three quarters last week to make the move on Hannebury.

Can VB all you like. But I think in his case, there are extenuating circumstances as to why he is playing the role he is. And I don't believe it's out of choice.

Oh I agree, Sando has a lot to answer for not tagging Deledio earlier. I'm curious to know though what VBs role was in the first half. He wasn't tagging Deledio or Cotchin. Who had him so preoccupied that in the first half? Perhaps he was being tagged which would explain his low possession count. I'm also curious why having identified our tackling as a major issue only had 2 tackles for the whole game? Isn't he supposed to lead from the front?

By the way, VB went on to Hannelbery at half time and kept him down to 10 disposals in the third quarter.

 

[jenny61_99]

He did nothing in the 1st half (as usual).. Went to Deledio and quietened him a bit, but Deledio was still ok after half time.. He should be cutting a player out more than he did if that's the role.. He also went at 42% disposal efficiency

Look I am not arguing that he is playing well. I am arguing that he apparently (according to the COACH) is doing what is asked of him. I think it's unfair to can the guy if he is in fact doing what is asked of him. As NONE OF US are privy to what that is, I take my lead from the COACH.

 

[King Elvis]

So he did the role, but we don't know what the role is?

 

[The Karma Bus]

Look I am not arguing that he is playing well. I am arguing that he apparently (according to the COACH) is doing what is asked of him. I think it's unfair to can the guy if he is in fact doing what is asked of him. As NONE OF US are privy to what that is, I take my lead from the COACH.

Yes but he doesn't even do a role like that.. He went to Hanneberry and he still had 14 influential disposals after half time, only slowed down in the last quarter when the game was done and the whole Sydney team stopped.. He didn't cut Deledio out as much as he should when specifically sent to lock him down.. If he was having a Crowley or Ling type of influence, fair enough..

 

[Schulzycrow]

So VB's task is to remain invisible and not lay any pressure or tackling or disposals? Sure Sando wouldn't have asked for that response.
Sando and VB must know the heat is on him and it would have to come up at some stage over the next few weeks. Heat is not just on the senior players who aren't performing, but on the coach and the coaching panel to come up with some semblance of a game plan that is going to work against anyone who above us on the ladder.

 

[cammo6556]

Van Berlo is like the Yeti, when you look for him, he's nowhere to be seen.

 

[Jars458]

The coach will not rag on the captain like the chairman won't rag on the CEO like the mid player ont rag on the lower player etc etc, by rag I mean raise expectations.

 

[Vader]

Yes but he doesn't even do a role like that.. He went to Hanneberry and he still had 14 influential disposals after half time, only slowed down in the last quarter when the game was done and the whole Sydney team stopped.. He didn't cut Deledio out as much as he should when specifically sent to lock him down.. If he was having a Crowley or Ling type of influence, fair enough..

Funny.. I don't recall him having any influence on the game at all after VB moved onto him at half time.

 

[King Elvis]

That is funny.

 

[Jars458]

Funny.. I don't recall him having any influence on the game at all after VB moved onto him at half time.

That's because you were asleep during second half.

 

[Elite Crow]

It's funny how Vader has changed his tune to suit his argument. First of all VB kept Hannelbery quiet, then when pointed out he still had 14 possessions now he kept him to 14 ineffectual disposals.

 

[The Karma Bus]

It's funny how Vader has changed his tune to suit his argument. First of all VB kept Hannelbery quiet, then when pointed out he still had 14 possessions now he kept him to 14 ineffectual disposals.

Hanneberry went into cruise mode in the last quarter along with all of his team mates, as evidenced by us suddenly cutting a 99 point lead to 77.. Or he may have had another 28 disposals in the 2nd half anyway..

 

[King Elvis]

Also doesn't explain why our best tagger, and Captain, wasn't on their two most destructive players when the game was there to be won.

 

[Wright Away]

Also doesn't explain why our best tagger, and Captain, wasn't on their two most destructive players when the game was there to be won.

Well, either it was a mistake by the Crows, or VB is just not up to it.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Honestly, even I can't work out what the hell he's supposed to be doing at the moment.

I think I'm going to be forever looking back at vB's form under Bickley in '11, and wondering about how he's been used ever since.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Incidentally, we have no other candidate for captain right now. Danger's love of taking a shot at goal every time he gets the ball, ignoring teammates in goal scoring positions, is wearing thin.