Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Juddafideslenko]

Hey do you want to know how easy it is for unvaccinated people to get into any venue they wish forever, do you want me to tell you or would you like to continue believing it would be impossible for unvaccinated to enter venues.

Absolutely correct and do these people think if we are not allowed to go to restaurants, pubs or the footy etc, that our lives are empty and we would be just doing nothing?!!?
Hahaha
If thats all there was to life it would be sad af anyway.

What a shallow existence

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[ep2018]

A well known Eagle? So that is one of Kennedy, Hurn, Naitanui, Darling or McGovern?

Darling is the name I've heard. Him and his wife are supposedly holding out for now. Every player on Fremantle's list have had their first dose, but not with the Eagles. So we do have hold out(s) it seems . Hopefully the threat of a torn up contract smartens some of these hold outs up.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Not anti vax at all genius.
But yeah you parrot your Daddy's party line.

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Go to bed, gramps. You're having an absolute mare.

 

[Shadow89]

Haha im so tired of the same old government approved rubbish that vaxxers throw back to justify their own decision.

They are in no way related.
Not even close.

They are mandates, not laws.
They dont hold up to common law only Australian law which was an illegal amendment unlawfully made to the constitution in 2004.
That change needed to be by referendum but it wasnt so its illegal and holds no legal water.
For this reason and others we're seeing politicians being charged with treason by the corruption commission.

Being told to not smoke in public is hardly the same as "take this jab or we take your livelihood and possibly your life'

People like you caused people to be taken away in trains to Belsen.



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It's actually quite funny to me, that you guys act like we're divisive...when you're the one throwing insults our way and acting generally divisive yourself.

Tell me, where's your outrage over children entering federally mandated childcare, having to be vaxxed? Pretty sure those two line up.

Spare me your little slippery slope argument of 'oh you endorse vaccine mandates, therefore you would've supported genocide via the nazis.' It's such a bad argument, as both totalitarian countries and democratic countries, endorse being vaccinated - and have for decades, if not centuries.

Not to mention there's actually real curtailing of freedoms' via censorship of criticism of public figures - see friendlyjordies being arrested by an anti-terror unit in NSW - for nothing more than journalism that critiqued a Liberal leader and got them offside.

Or how about the fact that new metadata laws are currently being brought in that secretly that allow your info to be exchanged with the US and vice versa, in order to get around metadata privacy laws - as part of the ASIO 'anti terror protection' scheme.

Where's your outrage over these things? How about outrage over coal mines stealing water from local drought affected towns in NSW - which is endorsed by state and federal government ministers?

You only seem to be outraged over that which those who actually have an agenda, want you to be outraged over. Notice how none of this shit is broadcast far and wide, but anti-Vic anti-vax BS is peppered across right wing media by those who have a political agenda against the state government?

You people always act like you've 'done your research' but your research is done in a vacuum of self-confirming 'evidence' that is neither balanced nor is it objective. Yet you act like we're the sheep, when in fact, you guys are the one eating shit up daily that is propagated by nut jobs who have their own agenda. FFS Trump tried to tell people to get vaccinated at a rally, and they booed him. That's how far off the deep end you people are, you're worse than Trump.

Another thought too: it's funny to me how the most uneducated, have suddenly become world class epidemiologists and health experts, because they read a few alt right articles or watched some you tube videos that supports their view.

Do you walk into a doctor and think you know more? Do you walk into a lawyer's office and think you know more? Do you walk onto an aeroplane and think 'hmmmm I reckon I can pilot this thing as I watched piloting for dummies on YouTube last night'? No. We endorse people to make decisions on our behalf, because they know more than us.

I can guarantee that there might be one or two people on this ENTIRE site, who actually knew what an mRna vaccine actually consists of and how it works - pre covid. Now all of a sudden, we don't require these people anymore, as Alan Jones, Peta Credlin and Tucker Carlson informed us of some pseudoscience not backed by peer researched information, and we're all experts now.

It's fine to be skeptical in life, but it's also fine to accept that there are those who have dedicated their entire lives to a particular field, that know vastly more than you do - and those are who we should trust.

You people think you're so damn intelligent, but us who make up the vast majority of society, accept that we are not as intelligent as those we have tasked with making medical decisions for us. If you're so damn concerned with the state of society, then protest everything and fend for yourself. Us civilized members of society will continue sitting back letting the pilots fly the planes, the surgeons do the operations, the lawyers represent us in court and letting the engineers design our infrastructure.

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TL; DR - The next time you want open heart surgery, do it yourself - as clearly you cant trust the experts anymore now that Jim on YouTube told you otherwise

P.S. I don't watch free to air TV, and only share academic peer researched articles when quoting things outside of my knowledge base.

 

[pc79]

Apparently a well known Eagle is doing the same. Hopefully the threat of a torn up contract changes a few minds.

Sounds like coercion to me. Contravenes Article 6.6 of Unesco's universal declaration on bioethics and human rights.

 

[RUNVS]

Darling is the name I've heard. Him and his wife are supposedly holding out for now. Every player on Fremantle's list have had their first dose, but not with the Eagles. So we do have hold out(s) it seems . Hopefully the threat of a torn up contract smartens some of these hold outs up.

I don't think I have ever heard an interview of Darling. What is he like as a person?

 

[Ih8bombers]

Not a single one of those rights are abrogated by a vaccine mandate.

You may also want to research this so-called 'United Nations constitution' and their legal effect in Australia.

I beg to differ. You realise people in Vic have been charged for speaking out against this. A pregnant woman spoke out against lockdowns on Facebook only to have the police go to her house with a warrant for her arrest. This is not an isolated incident. Perhaps things are better out there in the West. We’ve had our so called “freedom day” but there are strict caps around home visits yet 4000 people are allowed at a concert, many more thousands at the races. Currently at 80% double vax, it has been deemed safe for unvaccinated people to visit shopping centres. At 90% this changes and they will be deemed unsafe. All essential workers are required to be mandated except judges and other judicial staff, why? We have endured more lockdown days than any other city in the country (and the world) yet our case numbers and death numbers are still significantly higher than any other city in the country. You might say that none of those basic rights have been abrogated, but you haven’t lived in Melbourne.

People are losing their jobs because they refuse vaccinations. I too had to let someone go recently because of this, it wasn’t a nice feeling especially because they had given me 12 years of service. I’ve not only lost an employee but I’ve also lost a friend. Makes you wonder what is worse, COVID or this. You might argue they pose a threat to others, I’ve made my argument against this in a previous post.

Slightly off topic I know but you choose to discredit the effect of the United Nations. Wasn’t it with their mandate that our country went to war in Iraq. In a globalised world I think they might have a lot more influence that you seem to think.

 

[Shadow89]

I haven’t gone to the current protests and I didn’t go to that one either. I don’t agree with either of the mandates, I believe in ones right to choose, particularly and I emphasise when it comes to putting something in one’s body. For what it’s worth, as I have stated in previous posts I have been vaxed, personally I am not anti vax. I just feel people should decide for themselves on decisions such as these

So would you be so accepting of one's right to choose if an unvaccinated child brought the measles or the mumps into childcare - and got your child sick? That's kinda the problem when it comes to vaccination - it's not about your right to choose, it's about society deciding as a majority what it wants as its medical mandates - in order to do what it thinks will best protect our population.

This situation is no different - and has been endorsed by the vast majority.

 

[Ih8bombers]

You forgot "the right to remain healthy during a pandemic".

I agree, mental health was such a big issue, COVID come along and everyone forgot about it.

 

[deanc]

And what exactly is wrong with that?
That would be paradise!

Cant you handle not having restaurants, cinemas or your little creature comforts?
Or your latest iPhone??
Hahaha
How shallow

And soft

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I haven't even suggested there is anything wrong with living off the grid? Just doesn't appear to be very popular mainly as most people have real life responsibilities that do not allow them to undertake such an option...

Look, I fcuking hate needles, pass out at the sight of them, would rather have spiders crawling all over me etc. Even tried to bribe one of my doctors to give me an exemption - but to no avail, now double vaxxed! - Didn't even have a sore arm and thus far, fingers crossed, there have been no other adverse affects.

But I could just as easy get cleaned up by a bus tomorrow, so any future related medical issues are, to me anyway irrelevant...

 

[Shadow89]

I beg to differ. You realise people in Vic have been charged for speaking out against this. A pregnant woman spoke out against lockdowns on Facebook only to have the police go to her house with a warrant for her arrest. This is not an isolated incident. Perhaps things are better out there in the West. We’ve had our so called “freedom day” but there are strict caps around home visits yet 4000 people are allowed at a concert, many more thousands at the races. Currently at 80% double vax, it has been deemed safe for unvaccinated people to visit shopping centres. At 90% this changes and they will be deemed unsafe. All essential workers are required to be mandated except judges and other judicial staff, why? We have endured more lockdown days than any other city in the country (and the world) yet our case numbers and death numbers are still significantly higher than any other city in the country. You might say that none of those basic rights have been abrogated, but you haven’t lived in Melbourne.

People are losing their jobs because they refuse vaccinations. I too had to let someone go recently because of this, it wasn’t a nice feeling especially because they had given me 12 years of service. I’ve not only lost an employee but I’ve also lost a friend. Makes you wonder what is worse, COVID or this. You might argue they pose a threat to others, I’ve made my argument against this in a previous post.

Slightly off topic I know but you choose to discredit the effect of the United Nations. Wasn’t it with their mandate that our country went to war in Iraq. In a globalised world I think they might have a lot more influence that you seem to think.

Apologies, and this is going to sound pretty harsh, but you honestly have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the UN lol.

They are the most powerless institution in the world, and can't enforce anything. It's Timor you're thinking of, not Iraq btw. I had someone come from the UN and explain this all to us at university, when she guest lectured. They have no authority, which is why the Rwandan genocide happened, refugees in Australia continue to be illegally detained even though it contravenes international human rights charters, and they haven't done shit about the Uyghurs who are being systemically exterminated via 'reeducation camps' in Xinjiang.

You need to stop referring to the UN and human rights charters, as you're way off base when it comes to all of this.

 

[Ih8bombers]

Should you at least know the UN doesn’t have a constitution???

The UN has had some wonderful countries like Russia along with many others who’ve previously been on its human rights council.

not sure I’d hold them up as a bastion of great work

Human Rights | United Nations

Promoting respect for human rights is a core purpose of the United Nations and defines its identity as an organization for people around the world. Member States have mandated the Secretary-General and the UN System to help them achieve the standards set out in the UN Charter and the Universal...

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[Shadow89]

Your pathetic position holds absolutely no water.
You dont and cant judge every rule and law on a catch all.
Never!!

Thats just stupid and dangerous.

I can absolutely agree to take a tetanus shot but not this 'vaccine'. Its my right.
Saying no to one does not make you 'anti' whatsoever.
I like salmon but cant stand tuna, does that make me anti-seafood?
Hell no!

This 'vax' is not the same as the polio or rubella vaccines.
Thats like saying a jar of thinners and a jar of water are the same because they look identical.
But one is critical for life and the other will make you sick or even kill you.

I hope you studied the ingredients well!
Well those that have not been redacted anyway, along with the redacted possible adverse reactions.

Thats not opinion it is fact.
Look it up!



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Getting a little bit divisive there me thinks. Sorry, society decided and your right to choose was outweighed by people's trust in medical experts.

Enjoy your 'fight against oppression' - I'm sure it will serve you well.

 

[Forward Press]

Apologies, and this is going to sound pretty harsh, but you honestly have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the UN lol.

They are the most powerless institution in the world, and can't enforce anything. It's Timor you're thinking of, not Iraq btw. I had someone come from the UN and explain this all to us at university, when she guest lectured. They have no authority, which is why the Rwandan genocide happened, refugees continue to be illegally detained even though it contravenes international human rights charters, and they haven't done sh*t about the Uyghurs who are being systemically exterminated via 'reeducation camps' in Xinjiang.

You need to stop referring to the UN and human rights charters, as you're way off base when it comes to all of this.

It is quite interesting an account that has had no posts for 2 years suddenly sparks up today.

Combined with his/her partner in crime Juddilenko, they certainly made my evening more lulzworthy than I planned, so credit to them for that.

 

[Toump Ass]

Freedom does not apply to you from your first jab onward!

Just on this,

Freedom to me is the ability to indulge in my favourite hobbies.

This includes overseas travel, eating like a big fat ****ing pig in lovely restaurants, get slaughtered at my local pub (maybe having a cheeky dart while I'm at it), going to concerts, galleries, maybe a bit of footy if the weather's nice.

So the jab is funnily enough, giving me freedom.

OTOH, people are losing their livelihood over their fear of a little jab? Imagine that! Sad that so many people live in fear, I am very glad I am not one of them.

 

[quotemokc]

If the vaccine stops you getting sick from covid then to me all vaccinated people will be carrying it spreading it around without anyone knowing.

At least the unvaccinated supposedly are the ones getting sick so we would know it is still out there.

If a tree falls in the woods...

 

[Juddafideslenko]

At a carlton game, yes. Easy enough to control a trickle

Nothing wrong with Carlton's attendances.
Thats just rot

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[The_Wookie]

do try to refrain from personal attacks chaps,

Thanks

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Liam is the new hero for the anti-vaxers.
Maybe he can have a sportsman's night gig called 'Have a beer on zoom with Liam' , unvaccinated only, $125 a ticket , all proceeds to some moron campaigner on youtube.

Geeez some people place so much importance in beer!

To people who dont drink it means nothing.
You would be seen as pathetic actually.

But yeah, go you!! [emoji6][emoji108]

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[RUNVS]

If the vaccine stops you getting sick from covid then to me all vaccinated people will be carrying it spreading it around without anyone knowing.

At least the unvaccinated supposedly are the ones getting sick so we would know it is still out there.

If a tree falls in the woods...

I will quote my post from 45 minutes ago, not that I think you need it as I strongly suspect you are being disingenuous with this argument

No double vaxxed person thinks they are fully protected, we are just considerably more protected than the unvaccinated but double vaxxed people can still die from Covid, it is just much less likely. Still a risk though which is why double vaxxed people don't want unvaccinated people around.

 

[chopflop]

It's all the same bullshit false equivalence, Hobbesian social contract theory arguments. There's no point even discussing it.

I love the idea that a vaccine isn't just there to protect yourself, it's there to protect the vulnerable that can't get it - but it also reduces symptoms yet doesn't stop you from contracting or spreading it to the vulnerable that can't get vaccinated.

Or that it's fine to be vaccinated and recover from COVID, but unconscionable to recover from it any other way and remain unvaccinated by choice.

It's painful.

About as painful as name dropping Hobbes. Maybe stick to footys' Hobbs... you are too smart for this clearly

 

[the big lebowski]

It has also been banned in Afghanistan.

Best comment I’ve ever read on Bigfooty

 

[Ih8bombers]

So would you be so accepting of one's right to choose if an unvaccinated child brought the measles or the mumps into childcare - and got your child sick? That's kinda the problem when it comes to vaccination - it's not about your right to choose, it's about society deciding as a majority what it wants as its medical mandates - in order to do what it thinks will best protect our population.

This situation is no different - and has been endorsed by the vast majority.

Shadow, I think you will agree and you know that those other vaccinations were developed in a way that proved safe previously. They were produced and tested over a long period of time. During this time their merits were debated and and people at least developed informed opinions resulting in the majority of people endorsing it. So, regardless of my personal view I accept the decision of the majority. The current vaccination was introduced in haste, using new technology deemed essential by the experts. I’m not suggesting it’s unsafe but I think if some people have doubts about it’s safety I can understand their position. My argument as to why the mandate is not currently required given our vaccination rates was expressed in an earlier post. I would link it for you but I’m new to posting so I haven’t quite worked out how to do this yet.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Just on this,

Freedom to me is the ability to indulge in my favourite hobbies.

This includes overseas travel, eating like a big fat ******* pig in lovely restaurants, get slaughtered at my local pub (maybe having a cheeky dart while I'm at it), going to concerts, galleries, maybe a bit of footy if the weather's nice.

So the jab is funnily enough, giving me freedom.

OTOH, people are losing their livelihood over their fear of a little jab? Imagine that! Sad that so many people live in fear. I am very glad I am not one of them.

Don’t you worry I was shit scared myself on getting the jab I just thought **** it and I am fully vaccinated. A month later and I haven’t had any problems

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

It will be the biggest idiot on list. The one with the lowest IQ. Mitch Robertson, oh that’s right he no longer plays for Carlton.

At least some can spell his name...