Hot Topic CARLTON SUPPORTERS ONLY - Carlton fires Captain Carlton

[Gethelred]

Carlton caught up in fresh storm over club mascot

A statement has been issued and the person at the centre of the incident has been sacked.

7news.com.au

This thread is for the discussion of the sacking of a club mascot after refusing to participate in a bar mitzvah which was allegedly sending money back to the IDF.

By taking this position and labelling the act racist, the club has taken a position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

This thread concerns a discussion of the following:

• whether it is acceptable for the club to fire someone for taking a political stance.
• whether it is a good idea for the club to have taken a public position on this issue.

This thread is not a thread in which you should partake in expressing your political beliefs concerning the conflict, nor is it somewhere in which forum rules do not apply.

Should you seek to participate in conversation related to the war, you can do so here:

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There's also a thread on the SRP for a more robust discussion than can be permitted here:

Moved Thread - Blues mascot 'Captain Carlton' sacked after walking out of Bar Mitzvah and comments about Zionists.

Blues off to a flyer for the off season :D But surely one can criticise the actions of the IDF without being 'anti semitic' ‘Not doing this for f---ing Zios’: Captain Carlton mascot storms out of Bar Mitzvah celebration A man working as a mascot for the Carlton Football Club has stunned...

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If you wish to participate in this thread, do so knowing that this will not be allowed to escalate beyond a point.

Thanks all!

 

[jj1978]

It was reported that some “senior Carlton members” were among guests at the Bar Mitzvah.

So the question has to be raised if CC was there in an official capacity representing the Carlton Football Club, or just as a plaything for some of it's Board Members?

And who was actually paying him to attend the gig; was it the club or a 3rd party? It was a private function, so we can only assume it wasn't the club, which in turn implies he wasn't there on an official club capacity.

So how can 'the club' turn around and sack him? I agree TODN, sounds like it pissed off some Board members who then used their official capacity to sack him because it 'didn't align with the values and responsibilities of the club'.

I honestly hope CC takes it to Fair Work and in turn takes the club to the cleaners.

Simples you wear that outfit you’re representing the club. Look at many employment contracts, even mine says outside of work if I’ve potentially tarnished the reputation of my employer I could face dismissal.

 

[jj1978]

The problem there is that the comments attributed to him are about political ideology and the followers. The fact that he showed up to the Bar Mitzvah says that he isn't antisemitic.

Pure speculation. Money, requested to attend by his employer as part of his work contract…

 

[katmanblue]

it is all about protecting the brand... club can't be seen as "supportive" of a divisive political battle.

They've done a bang up job.

 

[Dominator_7]

It’s not ant- Semitism
His carry on is what got him sacked

 

[Bletch]

Simples you wear that outfit you’re representing the club. Look at many employment contracts, even mine says outside of work if I’ve potentially tarnished the reputation of my employer I could face dismissal.

And yet, there are protections in employment law for "expressions of political opinion". It's not a simple matter. It will come down to exactly what was said, to whom, and the manner in which it was expressed.

I'm not going to make a call on this based on what we've seen in the media reports, which are likely biased.

If he shouted abuse, then the termination will likely stand.

If he stated a valid political opinion and walked out, he will likely have a decent chance of winning an unfair dismissal case.

Has Carlton responded reasonably, or has the club overreacted to outside pressure? I don't know, and I don't think what we've heard from the likes of Ch7 and The Sun are sufficient to make any judgment. Let's see if this goes to court.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

What the heck has someone being asked to appear at a kids birthday party got to do with politics. The guy I’m sure likes the extra off season cash. Never heard complaints when it came to taking Pratts money and others who have given generously.

You’re a mod for crying out loud, and this thread was not supposed to be political, but of course Jews and money and power sneaks its way in.

You've added one and two and got 5. Probably my first or second post on BigFooty in 2000, was about my frustration with Carlton and it's association with politics, so when aimed at me, you’ve missed the mark.

My issue is that our directors sidle up to powerful people while representing the club. You've read into it Jewish power and money all on your own.

I don't like the club being used as a plaything full stop. If someone from management or the board has used their position to get the mascot to appear at a private function, without informing them properly, and then used their objections to have them fired, that is a problem.

Me being a mod is irrelevant to my opinion as a poster and member of the club.

 

[Rosscoe 17]

**** outta here ...a time and place for everything but calling a Jewish kid a Zionist on his birthday in front of his friends does not sit well with me.

 

[mickelboy182]

**** outta here ...a time and place for everything but calling a Jewish kid a Zionist on his birthday in front of his friends does not sit well with me.

If that's what happened I don't think you'd be seeing many, if any, defenses.

We have no clue if that's even remotely what happened though.

 

[Bletch]

**** outta here ...a time and place for everything but calling a Jewish kid a Zionist on his birthday in front of his friends does not sit well with me.

1. Do you know the comment was directed at a kid?
2. "Zionist" isn't derogatory.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

**** outta here ...a time and place for everything but calling a Jewish kid a Zionist on his birthday in front of his friends does not sit well with me.

I assumed the 'zios' he referred to were the IDF soldiers the money was being raised for. The suggestion was the comment was overheard by bystanders, not that he yelled at the kid.

 

[jj1978]

At a bar mitzvah money is given as a gift. The boy doing a mitzvah (a good deed) decided the money he received as a gift for his bar mitzvah, 13th birthday would be donated to wounded Israeli soldiers. It wasn’t a fundraising event for the Israeli military as being purported. The CFC has a large Jewish supporter base and the term Anti-Zionist no matter how much you try to sugar coat it as not being anti-Semitic is not viewed that way by many Jews. The club did the right thing, and using “zios” instead of Zionist shows how he meant to use it, as “zios” is a slur and insulting version.

https://www.onelook.com/?loc=olthes1&w=Zio

 

[HarryFlashman]

So there's a pretty important vacancy now at Carlton FC.

Can we get a poll set up, who we think from BF Carlton board should be installed as the new Captain Carlton?

Couple of early names Soapy V ESKIE, any others that we should have, 10 should do it???

Good luck getting one of those guys to do acrobatics!
Only chance of a tumble is if one of them trips on the stairs getting to their seat

 

[Blue and Silver]

Don't think he should have been sacked.

You could argue some discipline over inappropriate conduct with what was allegedly said.

But frankly the mascot fellow saved us a news story about Captain Carlton fundraising for the IDF

 

[HarryFlashman]

So power brokers/seniors at the club get him to appear (good luck to him saying No when asked- some people u just don’t say No to)
He cracks it when he’s vehemently opposed to the fund raising (which is his right)
Spouts off (stupid on his behalf - you’re representing the club, just leave)
The same senior people then go - that’s it your ****ed - your fired (as is there will to do).

Obviously some shit went down & to evoke the reaction u would imagine there’s a bit more too it.

Absolutely shit house by the club to be putting anyone in that position & now dealing with fall out.

This is a steaming pile of shit that the club should be nowhere near.

The club ****ed up big time here, he should never have been anywhere near this & it’s pretty bloody obvious why he was & what happened when he pissed those people off.

 

[BlueTongue]

You See?

This is EXACTLY what the club invites when they hire a 'nobody' to don a padded suit and mask.

We ALL KNOW that Kouta is the TRUE Captain Carlton (his Physique is still better than that padded suit) and would not have turned it into a Political Circus.

... Well maybe just a MCC Lord Mayor campaign.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I’m sorry, but the club has every right to sack a person that doesn’t do his or her job in the professional manner expected and contracted.

As for your personal beliefs, if they are so powerfully geared towards one or another, then you shouldn’t be in the hospitality industry.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I’m sorry, but the club has every right to sack a person that doesn’t do his or her job in the professional manner expected and contracted.

As for your personal beliefs, if they are so powerfully geared towards one or another, then you shouldn’t be in the hospitality industry.

Lolololololol

When did you last do a hospo job?

 

[GoBlues!]

Could be, but that's not what was reported... we simply don't know enough to say for sure.

As for the word, I believe it's not just a word... it's the remark. It is hostile toward a political movement and the club must be seen to be neutral in such political views to avoid backlash from either side. Had he made remarks in such a manner but for an opposing view, I'd imagine the club would take the same stance as it is absolutely the right thing to do from their perspective.

Trust me on this one, it is all about protecting the brand... club can't be seen as "supportive" of a divisive political battle... especially one as sensitive as this... way too many detrimental implications.

Equally the club should have been informed that the Bar Mitzvah was going to include fundraising for the IDF (not something you would normally expect at a religious coming of age event) and had a duty to tell its employee it was more than just a Bar Mitzvah event.

It doesn't excuse CC's behaviour and alleged response, but doesn't excuse the Club representatives at the event either if they knew and didn't inform the Club and CC.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Do we have any CC's left?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Do we have any CC's left?

Campbell Chesser

 

[ctwenty1]

Do we have any CC's left?

nope

an no MMs either

glory days well and truly over

 

[KnaveyBlue]

But frankly the mascot fellow saved us a news story about Captain Carlton fundraising for the IDF

That story would have only appeared in The Guardian.

 

[perthblue]

i love how the club is staying silent, deleting social media comments, and just waiting for this all to blow over. They could do themselves a favour by clarifying that CC’s behaviour was over the top and that the club is taking no political stance. They are losing supporters and members over this, not that they care

 

[dumb]

were the club knowingly allowing their branding to be exploited for fundraising overseas defence forces? if so, why?

no issue with the dude walking out. could have gone quieter, but i am guessing a scorched earth response based on disappointment with his employer putting them in this position also (may not have been the case, don't know).

 

[Rosscoe 17]

1. Do you know the comment was directed at a kid?
2. "Zionist" isn't derogatory.

Of course it was directed at the kid. It was his decision.