Coach Carlton under Voss

[LukeParkerno1]

Might be right, but it’ll be another two years before Jagger is close to fifty games and it would have been three years with Houston.
I dont know why it fell through but if it was about dollars, then I think it they missed an opportunity

Carlton wanted Jagga way more that simple

 

[Robertio]

Might be right, but it’ll be another two years before Jagger is close to fifty games and it would have been three years with Houston.
I dont know why it fell through but if it was about dollars, then I think it they missed an opportunity

Didn't want to spend the money knowing De Koning was going to cost them and we would rather Jagger anyway.

 

[Cdog71]

Why would you make Silvagni vice-captain?

I think plays with alotve heart week in week out.
A bit limited and doesn’t have alotve tricks up fwd but always brings the effort and he loves the club.

 

[Robertio]

Why would you make Silvagni vice-captain?
Is it because of the name?
He has yet to establish himself as a truly solid player. Neither played in a final.

Remember when Adelaide and North Melbourne made van Berlo & Swallow captains?
At least they were established players.

They can't throw money at star players like Houston as they are overpaying blokes like Williams, Curnow, McKay (lol) and Walsh to name a few.

You haven't watched Carlton once this season, nearly our most important player.

 

[Cdog71]

Remember when Adelaide and North Melbourne made van Berlo & Swallow captains?

You ever looked up swallows contested ball numbers?

 

[DeanoDocker]

I think plays with alotve heart week in week out.
A bit limited and doesn’t have alotve tricks up fwd but always brings the effort and he loves the club.

Yep, early on I just didnt think he would make it, and maybe the name kept him in it early. But he's been seriously impressive second half of career and earned his individual acolades. He just has a red hot go and clearly belongs - definately shows some leadership qualities, particularly recently to warrant that VC dsicussion

 

[Mr Meow]

"Rational" on here seems to just mean "who agrees with me"

What would your changes to the list be? Who would you get rid of for the right price?

 

[Pistol Night]

What would your changes to the list be? Who would you get rid of for the right price?

Kennedy from the Dogs?

 

[Mr Meow]

Kennedy from the Dogs?

They would've got a better price trading a crocked Walsh, although who knows if Kennedy was ever going to reach this nearly All Australian form at Carlton (where he was decent, but not a star).

 

[bourbons]

They would've got a better price trading a crocked Walsh, although who knows if Kennedy was ever going to reach this nearly All Australian form at Carlton (where he was decent, but not a star).

He did have a similar goal kicking ball magnet patch around the start of '22, but yeah agree in general. More an indictment on our system I reckon.

 

[carndapies]

I would like to see Carlton stay the course with their coach and their list of stars. I feel like they are so close to just making it all click and playing some champagne football.

The last 30 years they have just been unlucky.

 

[Mr.X]

I would like to see Carlton stay the course with their coach and their list of stars. I feel like they are so close to just making it all click and playing some champagne football.

The last 30 years they have just been unlucky.

 

[carlton_99]

What would your changes to the list be? Who would you get rid of for the right price?

Of the players out of contract at the end of this season:
Carroll: Re-sign
Charleson: Re-sign
Cincotta: Re-sign
Docherty: Retire
Evans: Delist
Fantasia: Delist
Haynes: Re-sign (one year)
Kemp: Trade one of him or McGovern
McGovern: Trade one of him or McGovern
Lemmey: Re-sign
Monahan: Delist
Motlop: Re-sign
Newman: Re-sign (one year)
Silvagni: Re-sign
White: Re-sign but if list spots are tight...
Wilson: Re-sign
F.Young: Re-sign
Duffy: Re-sign but if list spots are tight...

On the others that are either contracted or entering free agency:
TDK: Happy for him to leave. Frees up 1M in salary and gets us a top-10 pick in compensation. No ruck is worth what he is about to be paid unless your name is Max Gawn. If he stays then McKay more likely to be moved on imo.
McKay: Would be listening to offers but wouldn't be trading unless the package was around two first round picks (with one being top-10) or a single first rounder and good player that would immediately slot into the team.
Saad: Happy to move him on

In that sort of situation we would let got of about 2.5-3.0 million dollars in salary. And will gain three first round picks or two first round picks and a good player. Plus we add Harry Dean in who is projected to be a 1st round pick this year hopefully with some later selections.

I'd use one of those first round picks in the draft and take a classy ball user with some speed. Some on our board like Lindsay but not sure where abouts he is likely to fall. And with the other pick + any other trade capital I could see us targeting Bergman to play him in the midfield. I'd also be going hard at a player like Campbell (if they offer up a package for McKay). Not many small forwards looking to move based on the rumour mill would be trying to go after a Liam Ryan type. Maybe a second-round pick would do it?

Still lots of questions but I think they can do quite a bit this off-season to improve footskills and pace in the team.

 

[Del233027]

You haven't watched Carlton once this season, nearly our most important player.

Jacks shown he is a capable backmen, but its more than a stretch to say hes your most important player, maybe most consistent or most improved, but not most important.

for what its worth, walsh shpuld be skipper next season, take some pressure off cripps.

You cant have a recent coach as director of coaching, it places too much pressure on voss and the club.

Id be looking at Hayden skipworth as a senior assistant to help ball movement.

I think how to get players in they need curnow has to go. Clubs will go nuts for a 29 year old who can kick 60 in a year

 

[Del233027]

Of the players out of contract at the end of this season:
Carroll: Re-sign
Charleson: Re-sign
Cincotta: Re-sign
Docherty: Retire
Evans: Delist
Fantasia: Delist
Haynes: Re-sign (one year)
Kemp: Trade one of him or McGovern
McGovern: Trade one of him or McGovern
Lemmey: Re-sign
Monahan: Delist
Motlop: Re-sign
Newman: Re-sign (one year)
Silvagni: Re-sign
White: Re-sign but if list spots are tight...
Wilson: Re-sign
F.Young: Re-sign
Duffy: Re-sign but if list spots are tight...

On the others that are either contracted or entering free agency:
TDK: Happy for him to leave. Frees up 1M in salary and gets us a top-10 pick in compensation. No ruck is worth what he is about to be paid unless your name is Max Gawn. If he stays then McKay more likely to be moved on imo.
McKay: Would be listening to offers but wouldn't be trading unless the package was around two first round picks (with one being top-10) or a single first rounder and good player that would immediately slot into the team.
Saad: Happy to move him on

In that sort of situation we would let got of about 2.5-3.0 million dollars in salary. And will gain three first round picks or two first round picks and a good player. Plus we add Harry Dean in who is projected to be a 1st round pick this year hopefully with some later selections.

I'd use one of those first round picks in the draft and take a classy ball user with some speed. Some on our board like Lindsay but not sure where abouts he is likely to fall. And with the other pick + any other trade capital I could see us targeting Bergman to play him in the midfield. I'd also be going hard at a player like Campbell (if they offer up a package for McKay). Not many small forwards looking to move based on the rumour mill would be trying to go after a Liam Ryan type. Maybe a second-round pick would do it?

Still lots of questions but I think they can do quite a bit this off-season to improve footskills and pace in the team.

Kemp has been really good idea be keeping him forward. McGovern on a low deal is still okay.

Not sure harry has much trade value now. You are better off keeping him, he can take a big pack mark and brings the ball to ground for smalls. He'll kick 30-40 if he has a full year and he can pinch hit in the ruck.

 

[Robertio]

Jacks shown he is a capable backmen, but its more than a stretch to say hes your most important player, maybe most consistent or most improved, but not most important.

for what its worth, walsh shpuld be skipper next season, take some pressure off cripps.

You cant have a recent coach as director of coaching, it places too much pressure on voss and the club.

Id be looking at Hayden skipworth as a senior assistant to help ball movement.

I think how to get players in they need curnow has to go. Clubs will go nuts for a 29 year old who can kick 60 in a year

I did say nearly mate but he has fitted in well down back and we have put a couple of first gamers who will help with the ball movement in for their 1st games and Skipworth might be a good head coach. I'll disagree on Curnow they'll have to find a way to use him better, maybe up the ground.

 

[carlton_99]

Kemp has been really good idea be keeping him forward. McGovern on a low deal is still okay.

Not sure harry has much trade value now. You are better off keeping him, he can take a big pack mark and brings the ball to ground for smalls. He'll kick 30-40 if he has a full year and he can pinch hit in the ruck.

Yeh was probably a bit harsh with Kemp/Gov. If you can keep them on a cheaper deal it'd be okay.

On McKay I'd hate to trade him but if we want to make some significant list changes a difficult decision or two may have to be made. I personally think his trade value will be high. Injuries/personal stuff this year but 2024 was a career best year for him. KPFs like him don't grow on trees - especially those that have the impact he has outside F50.

 

[carlton_99]

He half heard me, where is Boyd lol.

He was finally named lol - you may be magic

 

[Mr Meow]

Of the players out of contract at the end of this season:
Carroll: Re-sign
Charleson: Re-sign
Cincotta: Re-sign
Docherty: Retire
Evans: Delist
Fantasia: Delist
Haynes: Re-sign (one year)
Kemp: Trade one of him or McGovern
McGovern: Trade one of him or McGovern
Lemmey: Re-sign
Monahan: Delist
Motlop: Re-sign
Newman: Re-sign (one year)
Silvagni: Re-sign
White: Re-sign but if list spots are tight...
Wilson: Re-sign
F.Young: Re-sign
Duffy: Re-sign but if list spots are tight...

On the others that are either contracted or entering free agency:
TDK: Happy for him to leave. Frees up 1M in salary and gets us a top-10 pick in compensation. No ruck is worth what he is about to be paid unless your name is Max Gawn. If he stays then McKay more likely to be moved on imo.
McKay: Would be listening to offers but wouldn't be trading unless the package was around two first round picks (with one being top-10) or a single first rounder and good player that would immediately slot into the team.
Saad: Happy to move him on

In that sort of situation we would let got of about 2.5-3.0 million dollars in salary. And will gain three first round picks or two first round picks and a good player. Plus we add Harry Dean in who is projected to be a 1st round pick this year hopefully with some later selections.

I'd use one of those first round picks in the draft and take a classy ball user with some speed. Some on our board like Lindsay but not sure where abouts he is likely to fall. And with the other pick + any other trade capital I could see us targeting Bergman to play him in the midfield. I'd also be going hard at a player like Campbell (if they offer up a package for McKay). Not many small forwards looking to move based on the rumour mill would be trying to go after a Liam Ryan type. Maybe a second-round pick would do it?

Still lots of questions but I think they can do quite a bit this off-season to improve footskills and pace in the team.

Yeah that looks reasonable to me. It's difficult to make all the necessary list changes in one season. It may take 2 or 3 years to get all the recruits you need in the door. It'd be great if Smith was doing well by then and young Skywalker had a Daicos-like early breakout.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He was finally named lol - you may be magic

It’s a miracle Vossy

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Carlton fans brought the hate upon themselves.

Arrogant campaigners whose football team has been a laughing stock for 30 years.

As the old Millwall chant goes nobody likes us we don't care.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Ah yes this is the new hang out spot for those of us, who walked out of that so called Carlton and Collingwood banter thread in protest.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

How'd that work out for you?

Barely won a game from June onwards.

If only we could play the pussy cats every week eh?

 

[Robertio]

You remind me of the discussions I was having with fellow Carlton supporters last year when the likes of Fogarty, Motlop and McGovern were through injury and I was being told just how important they were to the team and their immediate inclusion would be of a major boost.

Now you are saying Jack Silvagni is Carlton's most important player.

Did i say that or did you just make it up?

 

[bourbons]

He half heard me, where is Boyd lol.

He's in too (hi Vossy if you're reading this! )

Knowing us we'll probably start him as sub lol