Review Carlton V Geelong Post Match Thread

[thegerman]

Misplaced? Perhaps you think so. Why call someone "childish" though? The thread is called 'Carlton V Geelong Post Match Thread', why not give us your opinions on the topic instead insulting others?

If someone is so extreme as to want to rip their membership card up, who cares? By the way, Enright has just moved in around the corner from my abode... he's getting the half without my name on it in his letter box if they don't beat Sydney.

PB, I did give my opinion, that throwing a tantrum was a little over the top for a 16-3 year, especially comparing that to 2006 and the ripping up the membership tanty.

Come on, is that behaviour that seems adult?

I agree to you on some extent, but to eat our own over one bad game is something I'd expect with the Tigers, not a club that has won a fair share of its games over the last 2 and a bit years.

Lastly, the team has experienced such an injury crisis that players are playing out of position. Shouldn't that be a fairly common source of the problem rather than stating random thoughts?

Alas, another week, and perhaps more memberships thrown into the bin?

 

[thegerman]

Don't give it to Enright, hes been a star all season. AA honours for sure.

And PB has a point, this is the post match thread.

I was clearly ropable after the match, as Im sure most were, so whats the big deal if I carry on a bit?

I like the highs and lows. Keeping a cool head is not my personality. If you label it childish... GOOD! I don't want to be cool calm and collected when having to watch SHIT footy!

Ive found I enjoy footy more when Im passionate! Hating it is just the flipside.

Better to be high/low than boring and insulting!

Well that is you Vealsy, I would much rather support something passionately and be proactive, honest and supportive. In direct contrast to being over the top when it isn't required, or conversely being overly negative when it is not required.

I support the lads no matter what. That isn't supporting mediocrity, as I can understand and assume that the injury crisis is the reason why they played the way they did. Some of our best players have to rotate to the backline to shore up defence, therefore, getting less rest.

That is the compounding reason for why we have lost a few games, alas, it is only 3. Nothing to cry about.

 

[vealesy]

thegerman, you're showing your ignorance now..

not 1 loss, 2/16 quarters in 4 games have been good football, rest was either average or worse.

And I don't want to be all mature and 'adult', thats for stiffs who end up dying in nappys in retirement homes.

This is a footy forum not an Aristocracy.

 

[vealesy]

Well that is you Vealsy, I would much rather support something passionately and be proactive, honest and supportive. In direct contrast to being over the top when it isn't required.

We are different people.

To me a roasting is proactive, honest and supportive.

When your dog chews up a couch you dont hug and pat it, you scream and hit it!

And some might say a good roasting is exactly what they needed, in fact, several have agreed in this thread already!

 

[PatrickBateman]

PB, I did give my opinion, that throwing a tantrum was a little over the top for a 16-3 year, especially comparing that to 2006 and the ripping up the membership tanty.

Come on, is that behaviour that seems adult?

I agree to you on some extent, but to eat our own over one bad game is something I'd expect with the Tigers, not a club that has won a fair share of its games over the last 2 and a bit years.

Lastly, the team has experienced such an injury crisis that players are playing out of position. Shouldn't that be a fairly common source of the problem rather than stating random thoughts?

Alas, another week, and perhaps more memberships thrown into the bin?

A reality cats fans will need to face sooner rather than later. Don't forget there are droves of band wagoners(post or during '07) who have only followed a successful, dominant team. Geelong have had a great season so far, but unfortunately have lost form and gained injuries at the wrong end of the season. Kind of the opposite to Collingwood if you like...

To be honest I think Geelong will flog Sydney. They will react to the statistics from Friday night and reunite as a group. StKilda showed what pure effort can achieve. 100+ tackles will hardly lose you a game of football, even with 7 of your best out. 41 tackles from Geelong is a $hite house effort. Lazy. Carlton are a side who crumbles when attacked physically, being the reason we've dominated them for 5 years. We essentially handed Carlton a win.... Our opinions on individuals is relevant to an extent, intensity by our players at contests on the night is much more to the point.

 

[thegerman]

Vealsy, just because a few have agreed; doesn't make you right. Do we say the same about the Nazi's? (put your lateral thinking cap on).

It isn't ignorance to accept that in 2 and a bit years teams are going to catch up to us and eventually overtake us. That is accepting the reality of the game and that age will catch up with us eventually. Similarly, it would be fairly realistic to look at our injury list and realise that with an injury list (of 14 players), including Ottens, Scarlett, Taylor, Kelly and Chappy, then knowing that several players in the current team are playing in pain; one could assume the fallout from such and connect to the reason why we lost.

And I definitely do not hit a harmless animal, no matter what it does.

 

[vealesy]

Godwins Law = win for me.

And I think you need to learn that an opinion is neither right or wrong. It just is.

 

[vealesy]

And I definitely do not hit a harmless animal, no matter what it does.

off topic, but how is a dog harmless if it has destroyed a couch?

Next you will be telling me its wrong to smack a child!

Ugh.

 

[thegerman]

That is right Vealsy, an opinion is not fact. Neither yours or mine.

The dog, does not have our intellect, nor reasoning function. If the dog is trained properly in the first place; there would be no concern.

Again, difference of opinion. Judge what you will.

 

[thegerman]

Godwins Law = win for me.

And I think you need to learn that an opinion is neither right or wrong. It just is.

Hilarious.

 

[vealesy]

That is right Vealsy, an opinion is not fact. Neither yours or mine.

The dog, does not have our intellect, nor reasoning function. If the dog is trained properly in the first place; there would be no concern.

Again, difference of opinion. Judge what you will.

Man you are a hypocrite.

First, YOU said my opinion was 'wrong'.

Then you say a dog has no reasoning? Then how can it be taught what is acceptable and what is not?

Ah forget it, you're obviously a self righteous prick who doesn't know what the **** hes talking about.

 

[a.f.k.a.y.o.p.]

Hilarious.

big fella your on ffffiiiirreeeee........................scorching rhetoric.
makes me proud to be ex military!!
nd 16-3 versus everyone esle? exceps the saints f course? i'll take that to the bank!!

 

[LongBomb]

Next you will be telling me its wrong to smack a child!

Ugh.

Do you think it is your god given right to smack a child?

 

[vealesy]

Do you think it is your god given right to smack a child?

First off, god can suck my ****.

Second, whyd you change your post?

Finally, its nobodys damn business how discipline is instilled in MY kids.

You can give lollipops away all you want, IMO and experience, it won't teach them there are bad consequences for bad actions.

 

[thegerman]

Yeah I know YOP, sorry for not living up to the expectation. Try to open another supporters eyes to actually supporting their team of choice, against their inner reasoning to go the other way. What am I left to do?

Vealsy, never said you were wrong, nor myself right, what I have always stated that your rhetoric of throwing out your membership was childish. You even said something similar along those lines on another thread (quote 'Good stuff, but lets not get too wrapped up in dividing supporters as 'knockers vs believers'. No need to have division amongst ourselves (yes I know I added to this end quote).

I have a very different opinion to you about probably everything, I can live with that. If trying to open your thoughts to that is beyond reproach, then sorry you cannot understand a more conscientious approach.

Stating that is not being self-righteous, I in fact know that we are no-where near the same, nor would I expect that. If my thoughts to bring about a level headedness to the supporter base is being so, then I am sorry that is incorrect and not what I was after.

 

[Live in hope]

Negatives from the game, as amply set out above (except for the stuff about Ablett - can't believe some want him to go)

Positives -
- Hogan - is ready now
- Gillies and Mumford - pretty good considering these guys are still developing
- sounds perverse, but got to a preview of another finalist's best game and shutdown plans whilst not exposing their new players to Chappy, Scarlett, in form Johnston etc.
- sounds even more perverse, but reinforced a number of things that need to be worked on that can be fixed (like Varcoes longer range shots).

Maybe I'm not so down as a lot of other posters because I believe that next year is a much better chance for us -
- short of horrible luck, Hunt will be back and one/both of Simpson and Mitch Brown should provide option/s by end of year
- think Hawkins, Gillies, West, Mumford, ND, McKenna, Laidler/Donohue will benefit greatly from another year and be better value as 16 to 22s /backups to Mooney, Taylor, Scarlett

The bad news is that we have to do it in the next two because the year after (2011) etc. we will definitely be rebuilding when Chapman, Scarlett, Milburn and Mooney (if not gone end of this year) retire/move on and some of the running players chase the 3/4 year contracts at other clubs.

 

[thegerman]

Agreed LIH.

Hogan is a gun, love his run and carry and he can really finish well. Gillies and Mummy are developing at such a pace, next year they should be instant starters.

Also, like the expression of our 16-22 players. We really do have a lot of good up'n comers, who soon could be replacing our certain retirees. Though I know there will be a drop in 'excellence', but we can still look forward to more years near the middle of the pack and still with a mathmatical chance.

 

[vealesy]

Yeah I know YOP, sorry for not living up to the expectation. Try to open another supporters eyes to actually supporting their team of choice, against their inner reasoning to go the other way. What am I left to do?

Vealsy, never said you were wrong, nor myself right, what I have always stated that your rhetoric of throwing out your membership was childish. You even said something similar along those lines on another thread (quote 'Good stuff, but lets not get too wrapped up in dividing supporters as 'knockers vs believers'. No need to have division amongst ourselves (yes I know I added to this end quote).

I have a very different opinion to you about probably everything, I can live with that. If trying to open your thoughts to that is beyond reproach, then sorry you cannot understand a more conscientious approach.

Stating that is not being self-righteous, I in fact know that we are no-where near the same, nor would I expect that. If my thoughts to bring about a level headedness to the supporter base is being so, then I am sorry that is incorrect and not what I was after.

You did, here.

Vealsy, just because a few have agreed; doesn't make you right. Do we say the same about the Nazi's? (put your lateral thinking cap on).

I was talking about division in support, you have turned this into (and I have continued) one persons way of support as being invalid because it is different to yours.

This discussion has left football, and my loyalty has been questioned due to my response to fridays game.

Would a bandwagoner aspire to getting this his whole life?

 

[BigBadCam]

I feel like a bandwagoner. I don't give nearly as much of a shit about footy as I used to. I've been a diehard cat's supporter since the day I was born, but now that I'm the same age as a lot of the guys playing, I don't get into it nearly as much. It feels a bit pathetic.

 

[thegerman]

Vealsy, stating 'doesn't make you right' isn't an indication of my thoughts of actually being right, giving you the perception of being self-righteous. If anyone at that stage was being sanctimonious, it was you being unable to control your thoughts.

I have never said you were wrong, I don't know where you are reading this.

Nice Tatt, though I have never called you a bandwagon supporter. The only question I raised in regard to your loyalty was your expression to rip up your membership. Though stated on another thread, you have stated this would never happen. Then why say it?

This is going round in circles, lets agree we are different, keep it to the facts that we've lost 3 games, you aren't happy with the last couple of games and I am happy where we are in consideration of our injuries to key position players.

 

[vealesy]

I feel like a bandwagoner. I don't give nearly as much of a shit about footy as I used to. I've been a diehard cat's supporter since the day I was born, but now that I'm the same age as a lot of the guys playing, I don't get into it nearly as much. It feels a bit pathetic.

lol.

I must admit I didn't watch it as religously as I do now when I first discovered poon at age 16 in 2000, even missed that game in perth against the eagles when we were shit but won by 70 points, to spend time with my first gf (doh, NEVER since).

Come 2003-4 I was as die hard as ever, could see how good we would eventually become. And boy did they deliver...finally. 2006 can get ****ed though, funnily enough if you look at my join date, I had been lurking, but finally joined to vent anger.

I am not ashamed to say I have more emotion connected to the club than most people in my life.

 

[Hinkley29]

A very simple question - why did you have to wait until we won a premiership to get your tattoo?

 

[vealesy]

Vealsy, stating 'doesn't make you right' isn't an indication of my thoughts of actually being right, giving you the perception of being self-righteous. If anyone at that stage was being sanctimonious, it was you being unable to control your thoughts.

I have never said you were wrong, I don't know where you are reading this.

Nice Tatt, though I have never called you a bandwagon supporter. The only question I raised in regard to your loyalty was your expression to rip up your membership. Though stated on another thread, you have stated this would never happen. Then why say it?

This is going round in circles, lets agree we are different, keep it to the facts that we've lost 3 games, you aren't happy with the last couple of games and I am happy where we are in consideration of our injuries to key position players.

Its an expression of emotion. Symbolic of my anger.

See, I am progressive new-agey dude. But I still hold some conservative attitudes, like roasting pathetic footy and smacking kids!

On your last statement, agreed. After the swans game we can do it all again, such is footy and why I love it.

Just know that if how I acted was what you label 'immature', then 'immature' is something Im proud of and strive to be..

 

[Partridge]

thegerman, you're showing your ignorance now..

not 1 loss, 2/16 quarters in 4 games have been good football, rest was either average or worse.

And I don't want to be all mature and 'adult', thats for stiffs who end up dying in nappys in retirement homes.

This is a footy forum not an Aristocracy.

Vealesy, if anything I think you're being generous about Geelong, I think we've been average or worse for much longer than 4 games. You could include Richmond in round 2, Melbourne in round 6, the two games in WA where we limped past West Coast and Fremantle when we should have smacked them senseless (incidentally exactly what Collingwood did to Freo the very next week). We had Port by the throat and then eased off, a habit that has been there all year.

You can justify all these things due to injuries, to me it's a lack of killer instinct. It was absolutely there in '07/'08, it's not there now.

I still don't get how fans assume we're calmly proceeding to the Grand Final and it will all fall into place. On current form, we will not beat Collingwood in the first week of the finals. Do not be surprised if we bomb out in straight sets. Then, everyone will ask "what went wrong?"

The danger signs have been present all season, and are screaming right now. Let's see if they can correct them. There is still time, but it has to start with beating Sydney Saturday night. I know I'm in the minority, but I actually want to win this week. I don't care if we took our entire reserves team up there, to me losing is still unacceptable.

 

[vealesy]

Vealesy, if anything I think you're being generous about Geelong, I think we've been average or worse for much longer than 4 games. You could include Richmond in round 2, Melbourne in round 6, the two games in WA where we limped past West Coast and Fremantle when we should have smacked them senseless (incidentally exactly what Collingwood did to Freo the very next week). We had Port by the throat and then eased off, a habit that has been there all year.

You can justify all these things due to injuries, to me it's a lack of killer instinct. It was absolutely there in '07/'08, it's not there now.

I still don't get how fans assume we're calmly proceeding to the Grand Final and it will all fall into place. On current form, we will not beat Collingwood in the first week of the finals. Do not be surprised if we bomb out in straight sets. Then, everyone will ask "what went wrong?"

The danger signs have been present all season, and are screaming right now. Let's see if they can correct them. There is still time, but it has to start with beating Sydney Saturday night. I know I'm in the minority, but I actually want to win this week. I don't care if we took our entire reserves team up there, to me losing is still unacceptable.

I do agree with you on almost every point there. Especially the collingwood one, they are simply looking the better side than us right now.

I know Im being generous with the results being as they are, I am quite content in dismissing a few of the games before the Saints game due to a specific focus being put on this game. If I recall correctly, Bomber publicly stated a month before it, Geelongs game plan was all a preperation on how to beat the Saints.

Bar the first 10 minutes of that match, the boys were absolutely sensational, and showed their planning had worked quite well, as had the Saints planning.

That truly was the greatest game of football I have ever watched (exc 07 GF of course). The club proved its professionalism right at that moment, like no other.

We dominated the majority of that game and wouldve won if not for a terrible umpiring call in the last minute.

This is why I am concerned about what happened after it, they have considerably taken the foot off the proverbial accelerator.

I honestly hope that they have been flat due to somewhat repeating whatever preperation it is they did to produce that intensity.

I really do.

I believe subconsciously I am confident that they can repeat the same level, and am finally getting amped up for the finals.

Emotions may be hard to control, but that is because they are so intense.

I am even prepared to right off the sydney game, if Bomber goes up there with the intention of continuing neutral. That is why I say the dogs game will be the most telling. We need to annihilate them, and the same to the dockers in the last round. We need to send a message to all opposition that theyd just better worry about bringin their A game. Because ours is about to be unleashed.