List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[Burgers45]

Kevin "Shifter" Sheehan's draft bolter. (Would we be interested, as he is a good Judge..(Stephenson last year)

http://aflnation.com.au/2018/08/31/kevin-sheehans-2018-afl-draft-bolter/

 

[Judds Junk]

I know I'm being Captain Obvious here but... if SOS is able to land Shiel, McGovern, Setterfield & Walsh... he probably deserves a trophy. If he can some how get Brodie on top of all that.... he probably deserves a statue.

Byrne Weitering Rowe

Docherty Marchbank Simpson

Brodie Cripps Fisher

McGovern Curnow Walsh

Murphy McKay Setterfield

R: Kreuzer Shiel Dow

INT: SPS, Kennedy, E.Curnow, Pickett
Notable Omissions: LOB, Thomas, Williamson, MacCreadie, Jones

 

[eDPS]

https://outline.com/gqJSfz

Buckenara's annual stab at the Top 30 at this stage. I must say i really like it. Mine is quite similar so if i go down in a stack of flames this year, i've got Bucky for company.

My main differences are i've got Jones, O'Halloran, Collier-Dawkins and Caldwell a bit higher. And Thomas, West, Hately, Foley, English and Butters a bit lower.

Those player comparisons are horrendous, struggle to agree with any of them.

 

[TerryWallet]

Those player comparisons are horrendous, struggle to agree with any of them.

I don't know why people get hung up on player comparisons.

Every person sees different things and while some people are thinking about some parts of a players makeup, others are thinking of other parts.

I have seen Lukosius being compared to everthing from Nick Riewoldt to Justin Westhoff to Tom Lynch to Jarrad Waite to Jack Gunstan to Jack Watts.

I've heard Sam Walsh being compared to Joel Selwood by Dangerfield and now Buckenara. To me he doesn't play like Selwood that much but if they are talking about his drive, professionalism and competitiveness, then it might be spot on.

To me, i take comparisons with a grain of salt. We all use them but what we are trying to project often gets lost on other people.

 

[eDPS]

I don't know why people get hung up on player comparisons.

Every person sees different things and while some people are thinking about some parts of a players makeup, others are thinking of other parts.

I have seen Lukosius being compared to everthing from Nick Riewoldt to Justin Westhoff to Tom Lynch to Jarrad Waite to Jack Gunstan to Jack Watts.

I've heard Sam Walsh being compared to Joel Selwood by Dangerfield and now Buckenara. To me he doesn't play like Selwood that much but if they are talking about his drive, professionalism and competitiveness, then it might be spot on.

To me, i take comparisons with a grain of salt. We all use them but what we are trying to project often gets lost on other people.

A player comparison should be for how the player “plays” and it shouldn’t have anything to do with outside things and it should mostly be used for the players standout trait. When someone says a Selwood comparison the brain insantly thinks “in and under”. Walsh can win his own ball but I wouldn’t say he is a player the relishes in it, the Josh Kelly comparison will always be my favourite bit even then it’s not perfect.

Player comparisons shit me and are mostly used to give an idea to those who don’t watch the kids often. I’d rather use something like “player traits” and then name that exact trait.

 

[therubbernub]

Kevin "Shifter" Sheehan's draft bolter. (Would we be interested, as he is a good Judge..(Stephenson last year)

http://aflnation.com.au/2018/08/31/kevin-sheehans-2018-afl-draft-bolter/

Stephenson was being talked about constantly last year. Was hardly a bolter. He slid if anything due to knocks on his disposal and also his heart issue

 

[Arr0w]

A player comparison should be for how the player “plays” and it shouldn’t have anything to do with outside things and it should mostly be used for the players standout trait. When someone says a Selwood comparison the brain insantly thinks “in and under”. Walsh can win his own ball but I wouldn’t say he is a player the relishes in it, the Josh Kelly comparison will always be my favourite bit even then it’s not perfect.

Player comparisons shit me and are mostly used to give an idea to those who don’t watch the kids often. I’d rather use something like “player traits” and then name that exact trait.

A recruiter once said, that if a draftee, didn't remind you of a player, they probably weren't going to make it.

Although, many of the comparisons are strange

 

[No1Suspect]

I recon Walsh has a bit of Sandilands in the way he goes about it....

 

[Pack Specialist]

I recon Walsh has a bit of Sandilands in the way he goes about it....

Which Walsh?

 

[Quazza]

This is how I currently see the first 2 rounds, in terms of rating players, not so much as being drafted. Sure that will change slightly

1 Lukosius
2 Smith
3 Blakey
4 Walsh
5 B.King
6 Rankine
7 M. King
8 Rozee
9 Caldwell
10 Jones
11 West
12 Valente
13 Hately
14 Hill
15 Williams
16 Thomas
17 Clark
18 McHenry
19 Dawkins
20 Scott
21 Taylor
22 O'Halloran
23 McFadyen
24 Duursma
25 Stocker
26 Kennerley
27 Bytel
28 Butters
29 McKenzie
30 Rowbottom
31 Berry
32 Quaynor
33 Stack
34 Briggs
35 McLennan
36 Turner

Good to see some someone as high on Valente as I am

 

[Arr0w]

Good to see some someone as high on Valente as I am

Yeah I rate him, good organizer, great vision, sees the game unfolding in front of him. Knows his limitations well, when disposing by foot, class act

 

[smashbox gill]

Really rate McHenry, and want him drafted if we keep a 2nd round pick.
His forward pressure is something we are definitely missing.

 

[Dravid's in]

 

[Dravid's in]

Really rate McHenry, and want him drafted if we keep a 2nd round pick.
His forward pressure is something we are definitely missing.

 

[Arr0w]

Ned

 

[passmark]

Watching the West Pert v South Freo game.

schloithe getting tagged.
Nelson getting plenty of it.
But the stand out is Marlion Pickett . @26 he's AFL ready .

 

[Arr0w]

Watching the West Pert v South Freo game.

schloithe getting tagged.
Nelson getting plenty of it.
But the stand out is Marlion Pickett . @26 he's AFL ready .

Eagles very keen on Pickett

 

[passmark]

Eagles very keen on Pickett

Yep.

Playing on ball, can do it all. In close, out wide, good strong mark and has some mongrel. Not covered in muscles but got one of those frames you don't want to run into.

 

[Toddski]

How did Walsh finish up?

 

[passmark]

Souths too strong at the moment and making half the mistakes.

 

[passmark]

moves like Kelly. Glides in, no fumbles , plenty of time.

 

[King Karl]

Can’t remember if it was on here or Twitter, but does anyone have a link to the stats relating to % chance of drafting a 150/200 game player with each draft pick?
E.g pick 1 - 80%
Pick 2 - 77%
....
Pick 13 - 23%
....
Pick 50 - 2.3%
Thanks

 

[Arr0w]

Can’t remember if it was on here or Twitter, but does anyone have a link to the stats relating to % chance of drafting a 150/200 game player with each draft pick?
E.g pick 1 - 80%
Pick 2 - 77%
....
Pick 13 - 23%
....
Pick 50 - 2.3%
Thanks

Draft guru

 

[Burgers45]

Stephenson was being talked about constantly last year. Was hardly a bolter. He slid if anything due to knocks on his disposal and also his heart issue

I wasn't saying Stevenson was a bolter last year, just that I meant "shifter" Sheehan is a good judge of quality young players, ie, he picked Stevo to go #1 in the draft last year, and he's turned out to win the Rising Star. He has now come out and says after 3 games for The Stingrays there is a real late draft bolter (Sam Sturt). I hope SOS has looked at him or even knows about him.

 

[Burgers45]

He was coached by Teague for 1-2 years what other key people are you talking about?

Adelaide will trade for the best deal and Freo will have a better hand than us, he wants out and has a chance to go back home. Even if (and I haven't heard him say it himself) he wants to come to us the Neale trade is going to hold us back and make Adelaide asking for overs more likely to happen.

McGovern obviously has a great rapport with Teague. Teague is the key to him wanting to come to us. Teague will turn him into a 250 games A1 grade player for us. I just hope there are no hiccups in the trade, in that the Crows want too much.