List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[Masqualero]

What I mean is in the longer term.

It may seem somewhat presumptuous, but I know Dow will be a star and I know Setterfield will be a regular, quality player for the CFC and if we do acquire Walsh I know he'll also be a star midfielder for us. I simply don't feel the same way about Petrevski-Seton right now and wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get the midfield minutes we expected him to....but if Im wrong? That would be terrific.



We all watch highlights, but when you watch the full impact an individual can have upon a game, it's somewhat more real.
This isn't a perfect game by Walsh by any means, but you can see the potential and work-rate here.
Will be nice to have a player, other than Cripps, capable of regularly getting his odd 30 possessions again...

I think SPS had a better first year than any of the young mids on our list, every mid with the exception of Murphy (was a gun from day 1) he was more inconsistent but had a few games where his impact was as good as any, the Collingwood game of course is the perfect example of a matchwinner.

Dow hasn't done anything close to that yet and SPS improved on that game with his GC game, his 2 way running improved week after week in the 2nd half of the year, he did look like he had gone backwards in the first half of the year though.

SPS is probably one of the most well rounded mids in terms to what he can bring to the table.

Clean hands, dual sided, can kick goals (needs to kick more), marks with his hands outstreched instead of on the chest, evasive, weights his kicks really well, tackles with intent and brings down people much bigger than himself (Dow has this as well), vision, can get the ball a bit I imagine being fit will help this alot.

I'd like to see SPS's running when his leg (calf I think) is good because he tackles really well and drops back a bit to help when he is having his better games.

I just want/hope AR is as good as everyone says he is so we can watch it play out next year

 

[Jimmae]

Reasonable to hope that for a mid first round pick coming into a competent midfield group.

I'm expecting Walsh to play 20 games.

I'd ****ing hope so given all the hype about him being a safe and senior-ready pick.

I maintain that I don't see it as clear as others are claiming, but having gone back over footage of Walsh I've been perhaps a little too harsh about his speed and reaction time, but he still isn't particularly fast over the first 3-5 steps, which has an impact in many contested and loose-ball situations.

 

[Shambolic]

I hope not, Walsh should be good to go to mix it at AFL level, though resting within season will occur. Stunts development with longer stints in the VFL.

We’ll see if it’s on the wing or centre square duties, I’d think wing to start off with whilst these guys head to the bounces; Cripps, Kennedy, Dow, Setterfield, Ed, Fisher, SPS, Lang, (Cuningham) or successful JSOS, Williamson or Schumacher mid training.

No I am not saying as a recommendation

BUT

His repeat efforts in the highlights reel are better than any small forwards on our list.


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[HARKER]

I'd ******* hope so given all the hype about him being a safe and senior-ready pick.

I maintain that I don't see it as clear as others are claiming, but having gone back over footage of Walsh I've been perhaps a little too harsh about his speed and reaction time, but he still isn't particularly fast over the first 3-5 steps, which has an impact in many contested and loose-ball situations.

So you've seen the light then?
It was there all the time.

Really not sure how anyone could have read all these bad things into his game, unless they just wanted to be 'controversial'

 

[Blue and Silver]

Walsh doesn't just have a high work-rate, he has a superb work rate.

He just doesn't stop.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

Busy boy is Mr Walsh.

You can see he's always moving, pre-positioning, following up.

It's good to see. We need active footballers.

Yeah, I’d almost liken him to Lleyton Hewitt on the tennis court.

Clever player with great instincts, coupled with a relentless, tenacious competitiveness fuelled by immense fitness. There will be players who are bigger, stronger, faster, better/bigger kicks but few will provide better value week in, week out.

He should work well with our existing midfield group.

 

[windows1]

Walsh won't be playing VFL for any protracted periods of time.
have a look at the past few years and you'll mostly see the higher-picked mids pretty much starting from day one.

i know what you mean though. It would be nice to see Cripps, Setterfield, Dow and Kennedy dominate from the get-go......like really nice

He will never play a VFl game unless he gets injured.

 

[footyfan1978]

Walsh doesn't just have a high work-rate, he has a superb work rate.

He just doesn't stop.

Bradley type ?

 

[Opine]

um, the train you're supposed to be shunting into southern cross has just passed glenrowan and your supervisor wants a brief word.......

Don't scare me FFS.
After last few weeks in here, have had enough stress to last a month. Trade period really forked me up.

 

[Blue Bloods]

Reasonable to hope that for a mid first round pick coming into a competent midfield group.

I'm expecting Walsh to play 20 games.

crikey, that says one of two things - he's that good or we're not......

Dangerfield said a few months ago that Walsh could have played in the AFL this year, he is that good.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Bradley type ?

That's a high bar.

Maybe.

 

[Mr_Plow]

I'd ******* hope so given all the hype about him being a safe and senior-ready pick.

I maintain that I don't see it as clear as others are claiming, but having gone back over footage of Walsh I've been perhaps a little too harsh about his speed and reaction time, but he still isn't particularly fast over the first 3-5 steps, which has an impact in many contested and loose-ball situations.

I don't see the lack of genuine breakaway speed hindering his midfield prospects greatly. It's not his game anyway.

 

[Blue Bloods]

I think SPS had a better first year than any of the young mids on our list, every mid with the exception of Murphy (was a gun from day 1) he was more inconsistent but had a few games where his impact was as good as any, the Collingwood game of course is the perfect example of a matchwinner.

Dow hasn't done anything close to that yet and SPS improved on that game with his GC game, his 2 way running improved week after week in the 2nd half of the year, he did look like he had gone backwards in the first half of the year though.

SPS is probably one of the most well rounded mids in terms to what he can bring to the table.

Clean hands, dual sided, can kick goals (needs to kick more), marks with his hands outstreched instead of on the chest, evasive, weights his kicks really well, tackles with intent and brings down people much bigger than himself (Dow has this as well), vision, can get the ball a bit I imagine being fit will help this alot.

I'd like to see SPS's running when his leg (calf I think) is good because he tackles really well and drops back a bit to help when he is having his better games.

I just want/hope AR is as good as everyone says he is so we can watch it play out next year

Agree, SPS will be fine, he will play better when we as a team play better.

Bartel on trade radio was taking a call regarding Samo with the caller stating that he was a fail. Bartel cut him off and said something along these lines, SPS has the cleanest hand of all the younger players in the whole competition and he will be a ripper.

That game against Collingwood proves he can play and star, just needs the fitness and confidence to get up to those levels more consistently.

 

[GT619]

Walsh doesn't just have a high work-rate, he has a superb work rate.

He just doesn't stop.

Josh Kelly traits

 

[Jimmae]

Walsh doesn't just have a high work-rate, he has a superb work rate.

He just doesn't stop.

Yeah, I’d almost liken him to Lleyton Hewitt on the tennis court.

Clever player with great instincts, coupled with a relentless, tenacious competitiveness fuelled by immense fitness. There will be players who are bigger, stronger, faster, better/bigger kicks but few will provide better value week in, week out.

He should work well with our existing midfield group.

Timely reminder of how Lleyton's career got bogged down with ankle injuries. It's no coincidence that Scully seems to be following suit.

As in all things, there are limits to human performance, and consequences of trying to do things far and away outside the norm.

I don't see the lack of genuine breakaway speed hindering his midfield prospects greatly. It's not his game anyway.

I also don't see it helping our midfield as much is it would help some others, and his foot skills do concern me, especially if he's getting the releasing disposal in order to deliver into the forward line.

Granted our F50 has been a shit show due to young players and others lacking work ethic so he should have an easier time of it going forward than some of our mids have had, but if his game demands he be fed the footy, he's got to nail a lot of opportunities that present.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Timely reminder of how Lleyton's career got bogged down with ankle injuries. It's no coincidence that Scully seems to be following suit.

As in all things, there are limits to human performance, and consequences of trying to do things far and away outside the norm.


I also don't see it helping our midfield as much is it would help some others, and his foot skills do concern me, especially if he's getting the releasing disposal in order to deliver into the forward line.

Granted our F50 has been a shit show due to young players and others lacking work ethic so he should have an easier time of it going forward than some of our mids have had, but if his game demands he be fed the footy, he's got to nail a lot of opportunities that present.

He's got a sound action and composure to go along with it. Knows how to weight the ball to reach its target quite well, but I'd hope that the lack of penetration can be improved in time.

 

[Sheephead]

I don’t want to deny everybody a month of fun, but guys - we’re keeping pick 1 and taking Sam Walsh. End of

Well that’s disappointing.

 

[Jimmae]

He's got a sound action and composure to go along with it. Knows how to weight the ball to reach its target quite well, but I'd hope that the lack of penetration can be improved in time.

My problem overall is that I've only seen him spear a pass a handful of times.

 

[mediumsizered]

Article can't be taken seriously when it throws in "He's a good-looking rooster"

Couldn't see Carlton taking him anywhere in the top 20 should we manufacture such a pick.
Probably not a pick for Adelaide either and maybe even Port. Essendon should have hung onto the pick #9

He's never going to live this down. His teammates at whichever club drafts him will remind him of this over & over again.

 

[Arr0w]

My problem overall is that I've only seen him spear a pass a handful of times.

Don't think it is his go and in all fairness, I would be okay with it. What sets him apart from the many junior players that have come through the system, is his ability to weigh a disposal with precision, generally picking the right target. His kicking actually forces a player to move to a direction of the ball, rather than the other way round.

Walsh's footy IQ is outstanding

 

[J-dog]

Busy boy is Mr Walsh.

You can see he's always moving, pre-positioning, following up.

It's good to see. We need active footballers.

I don't get it.
I don't know why this kid is number 1.
Clearly he's got something in how many possessions he gets, but when he gets it he just does absolutely nothing with it.
I see a lot of running and effort but no class or even good skills. He just gets the ball moving and that's it.
So why is he the mooted number 1?
What am I missing?

 

[Kruezing]

I don't get it.
I don't know why this kid is number 1.
Clearly he's got something in how many possessions he gets, but when he gets it he just does absolutely nothing with it.
I see a lot of running and effort but no class or even good skills. He just gets the ball moving and that's it.
So why is he the mooted number 1?
What am I missing?

He’s once in a generation ...

 

[CFC18]

Don't think it is his go and in all fairness, I would be okay with it. What sets him apart from the many junior players that have come through the system, is his ability to weigh a disposal with precision, generally picking the right target. His kicking actually forces a player to move to a direction of the ball, rather than the other way round.

Walsh's footy IQ is outstanding

I was going to reply to Jimmae that while his passes may not hit his target, you also rarely see him actually turn it over. At worst he is still creating a contest up the ground, and as you suggest, the placement is almost always advantageous.

 

[BlueView]

I don't get it.
I don't know why this kid is number 1.
Clearly he's got something in how many possessions he gets, but when he gets it he just does absolutely nothing with it.
I see a lot of running and effort but no class or even good skills. He just gets the ball moving and that's it.
So why is he the mooted number 1?
What am I missing?

I’m with you on the faults, there’s no certainties. Some things stack up at AFL level. Time will tell

 

[Arr0w]

I don't get it.
I don't know why this kid is number 1.
Clearly he's got something in how many possessions he gets, but when he gets it he just does absolutely nothing with it.
I see a lot of running and effort but no class or even good skills. He just gets the ball moving and that's it.
So why is he the mooted number 1?
What am I missing?

Many have this same feeling and I believe it comes back to a lack of perceived xfactor, when compared to a Rankine or Smith (who I prefer). Walsh does not have one aspect of his game, that sets him apart from any other player, but unlike all other draftees, has next to no weakness. The only thing I could be critical of, is his overhead marking, but I wouldn't call it a weakness.

Apart from his consistent disposal count, his other attributes can not be measured by stats. Walsh sees the game unfold, way beyond his age, not only reading the fall of the ball, he understands where the next phase of play will be, before most players have even reacted.

He may not have the upside of others, but he is the closest thing to being bust proof, I have seen in some time