List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread II

[bmaurizio]

I agree but I think it'll be a lot easier to find our Walsh with our top ~4 pick next year or through trades[/QUOTE





Agree totally, Mathew Rowell is a Selwood playing style midfielder shoukd go top 3 in 2019 draft will be an absolute jet midfielder.

 

[TerryWallet]

I agree but I think it'll be a lot easier to find our Walsh with our top ~4 pick next year or through trades

You'll be able to find Walsh the player, but not Walsh the package.

To me, Walsh, Rankine and Lukosius are genuine No1's in any draft. Happy to have any of them, although i feel we "need" Luko a bit less than the other two.

 

[bmaurizio]

You'll be able to find Walsh the player, but not Walsh the package.

To me, Walsh, Rankine and Lukosius are genuine No1's in any draft. Happy to have any of them, although i feel we "need" Luko a bit less than the other two.

spot on

 

[ferrisb]

If you trade 1 for 3,24,29, gws could trade you pick 19 for 24,29. The reason being that 19 gets taken by a bid on Briggs, so 19 and 24 are similar worth to us.

GWS win that comfortably IMO.

You'd have to throw in a sweetener.

 

[Soapy V]

One thing to remember, the goal with drafting is not having busts. Don't have to remind people, how many players we have taken over the last 5-8 years that are no longer on our list/in the game, so I am content, if we keep pick 1 and take Walsh

Now, I am not saying that Rankine is a bust, but if drafted outside SA, requests a trade home, 16 other clubs would be concerned, why invest in a player for 2 years.

Walsh is a standout, but not a standout, when comparing him to the other top 6-7 players in this draft

Whatever happens, we are in a strong position

Picks 69, 71 and 77 plus the rookies could easily be as valuable to our overall list. Nail some of those and we are a much better side.

I see

Walsh
Draftee
BSOS

then 3 of as rookies

Draftee
Goddard
Bugg
Lamb
Blakey

That's just my feel

 

[Iva Bigun]

Maybe us taking Walsh has been a bluff the entire time, to get GC to bite and trade and than get our number 1 player, Rankine anyway and some steak knives from a trade.
Who knows?
If we take Walsh or Rankine I'm going to bloody happy anyway and it can be easily justified which ever way we go.

I can’t see us biting, I think we will be very happy with 2 of walsh, Luko, Rankine. I don’t think even we could **** that draft hand up

 

[dlb99]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-11-20/tomorrows-heroes-jye-caldwell

Caldwell seems like a level-headed kid

Murphy in the background of the video was interesting

I like Caldwell more than Rankine.

 

[Keyza]

Says here that we have;
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-20/afl-reveals-list-of-fathersons-and-academy-draft-nominees

Cheers.
Strange that it was kept so quiet.

 

[Stamos]

That's just my feel

Ben has to be taken in the ND, not as a rookie.

 

[dlb99]

I can’t see us biting, I think we will be very happy with 2 of walsh, Luko, Rankine. I don’t think even we could **** that draft hand up

The issue is retaining them.

If I were you I would keep all your picks. I suspect there will be no blockbuster trades.

 

[Soapy V]

I like Caldwell more than Rankine.

My No.1 in the draft

 

[Eiffel 65]

My No.1 in the draft

That's very optimistic.

 

[TerryWallet]

My No.1 in the draft

Caldwell looks/reads really good to me. Class.

You never know if or at what stage injuries will/might/might not hit a player, but by jeez i'll be happy to have most likely Walsh or maybe Rankine who have virtually no injury history. What a rarity that is for our list.

Caldwell and Smith just subliminally feel like injury types whereas Walsh and Izak don't.

An injury free Carlton player not sponsored by elastoplast......What........ Welcome Sam.

 

[Soapy V]

That's very optimistic.

I just think he is the most suited and natural AFL player in the draft plus he is a genuine mid.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Picks 69, 71 and 77 plus the rookies could easily be as valuable to our overall list. Nail some of those and we are a much better side.

I see

Walsh
Draftee
BSOS

then 3 of as rookies

Draftee
Goddard
Bugg
Lamb
Blakey

That's just my feel

Blakey will definitely be selected. SOS has already declared he's a massive fan.

Sam Fisher has to be selected off the back of his 2018 campaign.

Agree with Walsh at 1. Whispers about Rankine seem to be going cold. Feel like it's the same case as Fogarty from last year. Publicly we had a lot of interest but we were never going to select him. It was always out of Richards and O'brien.

I'd like to see only one of Lamb, Goddard and Bugg selected.

Would like the rest of our selections to be untried players. Lets see if we can unearth a star as opposed to selecting a tried player that will merely fill a void for the Northern Blues.

 

[Soapy V]

Blakey will definitely be selected. SOS has already declared he's a massive fan.

Sam Fisher has to be selected off the back of his 2018 campaign.

Agree with Walsh at 1. Whispers about Rankine seem to be going cold. Feel like it's the same case as Fogarty from last year. Publicly we had a lot of interest but we were never going to select him. It was always out of Richards and O'brien.

I'd like to see only one of Lamb, Goddard and Bugg selected.

Would like the rest of our selections to be untried players. Lets see if we can unearth a star as opposed to selecting a tried player that will merely fill a void for the Northern Blues.

I’m confident Blakey will be picked. Can play and fills a need. Be interesting to see who we pick but I just feel we will go with more mature type players. Walsh BSOS and one other

 

[Arr0w]

We can add the mature types to the rookie list, I prefer to draft kids on the main list

 

[Eiffel 65]

Caldwell looks/reads really good to me. Class.

You never know if or at what stage injuries will/might/might not hit a player, but by jeez i'll be happy to have most likely Walsh or maybe Rankine who have virtually no injury history. What a rarity that is for our list.

Caldwell and Smith just subliminally feel like injury types whereas Walsh and Izak don't.

An injury free Carlton player not sponsored by elastoplast......What........ Welcome Sam.

To me, Walsh looks like the type of guy who would motor on till he's 35-36 y.o. in an outside role.

Lets get 400 games out of him on the wing

 

[Soapy V]

We can add the mature types to the rookie list, I prefer to draft kids on the main list

Any chance we add 3 young draftees plus BSOS then 3 mature rookies?

 

[Macca43]

Agree to an extent but you look at West Coast they had one gun mid. They play 7 specialist forwards or rucks. (Not counting Cripps) plus a full backline of defenders.
You can only have so many genuine midfielders playing that role at the one time. For me none of Walsh, Kennedy, Setterfield, SPS, Dow, LOB are known for being dangerous around goal and Cripps is the best clearance player in the league so if you move him away from there than we lose more than we gain.
I don't see the point of playing a midfielder off a HFF and not be a goal threat when you can have someone like Rankine doing the exact same thing just much better.
I guess this is why clubs like versatile players but for me rather than having a midfielder playing forward 70% and midfield 30% surely you are better off having a forward playing 70% forward and midfield 30% especially with the new rules.
In saying that I think if we take Rankine our top~4 pick next year should be earmarked for a mid and nearly every trade target should be mids.

One of Setterfields big assets is that he can go forward (watch his U18 highlights and you will see him up forward quite a bit)and play a Bontempelli type role while Kennedy had big wraps on him as being able to go forward and be a marking target. - Walsh, SPS, Dow & LOB are still very early in their career and while they may not be a "natural forward" i think as they mature their sheer class will make them dangerous close to goal.

As for a forward V a mid a at this draft - I would prefer to have a dominant midfield that can keep pumping the ball into the forward 50 until we get a result (even if it isn't exactly efficient) than get a half forward who is then starved of opportunities. It may be playing it a little safe.

 

[Arr0w]

Any chance we add 3 young draftees plus BSOS then 3 mature rookies?

I think it is a strong chance

I think we won't sign any DFA until after the draft, in a hope that the players we rank are available late in the draft. I think we will add at least 3 kids and possible a DFA in the main draft, then add 2 mature age players and a project type in the rookie draft

 

[bigdog43]

I can certainly understand the love for Rankine but feel as if he's the icing on top of the cake that we still haven't finished baking yet. If we could take Rankine while securing another top 10 pick that enabled us to take Smith or Caldwell then that would certainly be worth entertaining. Walsh added to Dow, Crippa, Kennedy, SPS, Fish, LOB, Setterfield gives us brilliant depth and versatility.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I can certainly understand the love for Rankine but feel as if he's the icing on top of the cake that we still haven't finished baking yet. If we could take Rankine while securing another top 10 pick that enabled us to take Smith or Caldwell then that would certainly be worth entertaining. Walsh added to Dow, Crippa, Kennedy, SPS, Fish, LOB, Setterfield gives us brilliant depth and versatility.

Can't get my head around this mindset.

List development is perpetual - it doesn't end. We'll be adding new players every single year for as long as the competition exists. Rankine this year and a balanced mid next year isn't all that different to Walsh this year and a small forward next year. The key consideration should be which type of player are you more likely to be able to secure in 2019 or 2020. To me - that's a midfield accumulator. Recruitment needs to be, in some ways, opportunistic. As nice as it would be to lay out a 36 step guide to building a premiership list in a swish powerpoint presentation, the reality is that you don't know what picks you'll have in any given year, who will be available at those picks, and which pre-listed players you may be able to lure over and for what price.

Let's look at meat & potatoes production mids and x-factor small-ish forwards taken in the first round over the last few years:

2017
Mids - Brayshaw, Dow, LDU, Cerra, Clark, Coffield, O'Brien, Richards
Smalls - Rayner, Stephenson, Higgins

2016
Mids - McGrath, Taranto, McCluggage, Setterfield, SPS, Scrimshaw, Brodie, Bowes, Simpkin, Venables, Perryman, Gallucci, Berry, Powell-Pepper
Smalls - Ainsworth, Florent

2015
Mids - Mills, Oliver, Parish, Hopper, Ah Chee, Kennedy, Fiorini, Lovell, Cuningham
Smalls - Milera, Rioli, Gresham

2014
Mids - Brayshaw, De Goey, Ahern, Duggan, Ellis, Weller
Smalls - Petracca, Pickett, Cockatoo, Garlett

2013
Mids - Kelly, Bontempelli, Scharenberg, Aish, Salem, Freeman, Sheed, Cripps, Jones, Lang, Dunstan, Acres
Smalls - Billings, Lennon


If we're satisfied with our ability to retain Rankine, he should probably be the priority this year. You simply don't get the opportunity to draft a player of his skill set all that often. Whereas while Walsh may indeed be "better" than many other midfielders, there is always a high representation of ball winners at the top end of the draft and we can afford to invest multiple draft picks over multiple years to continually strengthen that part of our list.

Furthermore, a team will usually only have 1 x-factor small forward on the park, and getting the "right" one has a huge impact on performance. Whereas most sides will run 8-12 midfielders (full or part time), and the collective output is more impactful than any one player getting their 30 touches.


All that being said - I don't want Rankine with Pick 1. If we want Rankine, continue to play the game and make all the right noises about Walsh, and draw an offer from GC. Pick 3 gets Rankine, and we can secure, at the very least, a decent second round pick in the bargain, which nets us that extra midfield accumulator (Stocker, RCD, Valente, McHenry - good chance one of these guys is there in the mid 20's). If we can get more than a second rounder included (extra pick, future pick upgrade), all the better.

 

[katmanblue]

To me, Walsh looks like the type of guy who would motor on till he's 35-36 y.o. in an outside role.

Lets get 400 games out of him on the wing

Conservative

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[Manhattanite]

I haven’t seen Caldwell’s footage but he seems to have a lot of momentum on here and with some experts. I wonder if GWS will be willing to trade Pick 11 for our 2019 first. They also have Picks 9, 19 and 25 so may be willing to trade 11. SOS may want to trade to get Caldwell if he’s still available at 11. Crows may also be willing to trade 13 for our 2019 first. Will have to also exchange their 2019 second pick for our 2019 third round pick. But it should work if SOS really rates Caldwell.


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