List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread II

[Zatoichi Blue]

If SOS can somehow manage to get 2 top 10 picks this year and we get Smith/Caldwell or some sort of similar combo you people will find me at Ikon Park on Friday erecting a statue of him.







Also, Giggity

Inscription : "And what pick did you start out with to pull off the best drafting heist of the off-season, and consequently start the 2019 Carlton Renaissance? Oh that's right, you started with just the #1 pick."

 

[Eiffel 65]

Very quiet on here...........

 

[dlb99]

To me, Walsh looks like the type of guy who would motor on till he's 35-36 y.o. in an outside role.

Lets get 400 games out of him on the wing

Absolutely has the body shape, endurance and game style that could get to 400.

 

[dlb99]

I hope GWS draft Jye Caldwell.

We then poach him in 3 years.

Sam Walsh and Jye Caldwell, those are my two favourites this draft.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Absolutely has the body shape, endurance and game style that could get to 400.

There's definitely an argument for picks 2+3 = 1

Lukosius = 200 games
Rankine = 200 games

Walsh = 400 games

 

[Eiffel 65]

I hope GWS draft Jye Caldwell.

We then poach him in 3 years.

Sam Walsh and Jye Caldwell, those are my two favourites this draft.

Unfortunately looks like Adelaide. Twomey is generally pretty spot on with top 10 selections.

 

[GT619]

Very quiet on here...........

Not many seem thrilled picking Walsh

 

[dlb99]

Unfortunately looks like Adelaide. Twomey is generally pretty spot on with top 10 selections.

I say Crows select a local boy such as Rozee or Hately.

Crows have had just about as many retention issues as the Suns. There are talented SA boys available and that will be too tempting.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Not many seem thrilled picking Walsh

I'm thrilled we're selecting Walsh

 

[bigdog43]

Can't get my head around this mindset.

List development is perpetual - it doesn't end. We'll be adding new players every single year for as long as the competition exists. Rankine this year and a balanced mid next year isn't all that different to Walsh this year and a small forward next year. The key consideration should be which type of player are you more likely to be able to secure in 2019 or 2020. To me - that's a midfield accumulator. Recruitment needs to be, in some ways, opportunistic. As nice as it would be to lay out a 36 step guide to building a premiership list in a swish powerpoint presentation, the reality is that you don't know what picks you'll have in any given year, who will be available at those picks, and which pre-listed players you may be able to lure over and for what price.

Let's look at meat & potatoes production mids and x-factor small-ish forwards taken in the first round over the last few years:

2017
Mids - Brayshaw, Dow, LDU, Cerra, Clark, Coffield, O'Brien, Richards
Smalls - Rayner, Stephenson, Higgins

2016
Mids - McGrath, Taranto, McCluggage, Setterfield, SPS, Scrimshaw, Brodie, Bowes, Simpkin, Venables, Perryman, Gallucci, Berry, Powell-Pepper
Smalls - Ainsworth, Florent

2015
Mids - Mills, Oliver, Parish, Hopper, Ah Chee, Kennedy, Fiorini, Lovell, Cuningham
Smalls - Milera, Rioli, Gresham

2014
Mids - Brayshaw, De Goey, Ahern, Duggan, Ellis, Weller
Smalls - Petracca, Pickett, Cockatoo, Garlett

2013
Mids - Kelly, Bontempelli, Scharenberg, Aish, Salem, Freeman, Sheed, Cripps, Jones, Lang, Dunstan, Acres
Smalls - Billings, Lennon


If we're satisfied with our ability to retain Rankine, he should probably be the priority this year. You simply don't get the opportunity to draft a player of his skill set all that often. Whereas while Walsh may indeed be "better" than many other midfielders, there is always a high representation of ball winners at the top end of the draft and we can afford to invest multiple draft picks over multiple years to continually strengthen that part of our list.

Furthermore, a team will usually only have 1 x-factor small forward on the park, and getting the "right" one has a huge impact on performance. Whereas most sides will run 8-12 midfielders (full or part time), and the collective output is more impactful than any one player getting their 30 touches.


All that being said - I don't want Rankine with Pick 1. If we want Rankine, continue to play the game and make all the right noises about Walsh, and draw an offer from GC. Pick 3 gets Rankine, and we can secure, at the very least, a decent second round pick in the bargain, which nets us that extra midfield accumulator (Stocker, RCD, Valente, McHenry - good chance one of these guys is there in the mid 20's). If we can get more than a second rounder included (extra pick, future pick upgrade), all the better.

I understand where you're coming from and if Rankine was Victorian I would certainly be looking very hard but he isn't. There is a genuine flight risk with this kid, he doesn't run defensively and he has no left foot. If we were to take a risk I don't think it's Rankine despite his immense talent. I still think we need to build through the middle but we are desperate for what Rankine brings through the forward half. I'm certainly not jealous of the position SOS is in.

 

[TerryWallet]

Not many seem thrilled picking Walsh

You'd be wrong on that. Most will be thrilled with Walsh.

There has been good debate here but not many will be disappointed with Walsh.

 

[Funk]

Blakey will definitely be selected. SOS has already declared he's a massive fan.

Sam Fisher has to be selected off the back of his 2018 campaign.

Agree with Walsh at 1. Whispers about Rankine seem to be going cold. Feel like it's the same case as Fogarty from last year. Publicly we had a lot of interest but we were never going to select him. It was always out of Richards and O'brien.

I'd like to see only one of Lamb, Goddard and Bugg selected.

Would like the rest of our selections to be untried players. Lets see if we can unearth a star as opposed to selecting a tried player that will merely fill a void for the Northern Blues.

With Lamb gone we still don't have a lockdown small defender.

Need someone to play that role.

 

[Macca43]

we would need to get GWS number 9 for next years first. Just on pure fairness of what we are likely to give back (3-8) and Caldwell will be gone by 11. Probably even by 9 anyway.

There's was an article today on the fox website outlining tha th blues can't trade next year first rounder with out getting multiple future picks back as well because we have traded future picks already.

Apparently ten clubs are impacted.

Doesn't make a lot of sense when clubs like Geelong and Collingwood could still trade current future first round picks in the trade period despite not having used the minimum 2 in 4 years but the blues who have taken 7 first rounder in the last 3 can't trade a future for another first rounder this year.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Ben Cavarra = Andrew Gallucci

Matt Walker = Blaine Johnson

 

[Eiffel 65]

Ben Cavarra = Andrew Gallucci

Matt Walker = Blaine Johnson

There's a fairly high possibility that SOS just gave Twomey some random names.

Maybe we are looking at those two, but there's a big chance we're looking at someone else and hoping they'll slide.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Ben Cavarra = Andrew Gallucci

Matt Walker = Blaine Johnson

Last year Twomey had us linked to Ethan Floyd, Matt McGannon, Ben Paton and Ethan Penrith late in the draft.

Didn't select any of those.

 

[smashbox gill]

I hope GWS draft Jye Caldwell.

We then poach him in 3 years.

Sam Walsh and Jye Caldwell, those are my two favourites this draft.

He is the perfect GWS to Carlton player. Has had some injuries issues which could continue for a year or 2 until he learns how to use his body. Request trade to VIC, 2nd round pick gets it done

 

[Eiffel 65]

He is the perfect GWS to Carlton player. Has had some injuries issues which could continue for a year or 2 until he learns how to use his body. Request trade to VIC, 2nd round pick gets it done

LOL, I reckon someone should bookmark that statement if Caldwell goes to GWS.

Would definitely be a strong chance of happening given our trading history.

 

[Macca43]

There's was an article today on the fox website outlining tha th blues can't trade next year first rounder with out getting multiple future picks back as well because we have traded future picks already.

Apparently ten clubs are impacted.

Doesn't make a lot of sense when clubs like Geelong and Collingwood could still trade current future first round picks in the trade period despite not having used the minimum 2 in 4 years but the blues who have taken 7 first rounder in the last 3 can't trade a future for another first rounder this year.

For example, Gold Coast might want to do a live trade on draft night with Carlton.

— Carlton currently only holds a first-round pick and two third-round picks in the 2019 draft.

— The Suns could offer to give the Blues Picks 2 and 3 in exchange for Pick 1 and Carlton’s future first-round pick.

— This deal could not happen, unless the Blues receive a future second, future fourth and future fifth-round pick in the deal to replenish their 2019 draft stocks.

 

[GT619]

You'd be wrong on that. Most will be thrilled with Walsh.

There has been good debate here but not many will be disappointed with Walsh.

Hope ur right

 

[Eiffel 65]

On a serious note, if GC select Rankine, do you think he'll sign an extension or leave at the first available opportunity?

 

[Arr0w]

On a serious note, if GC select Rankine, do you think he'll sign an extension or leave at the first available opportunity?

Leave

 

[Soapy V]

If we assume we pick Walsh at 1 and BSOS with 77 who do we pick at 69 & 71?

I am hoping 1 or 2 names like Bytel Berry Bowman Joyce Koschitzke Fletcher Podhajski slip through

Pick One in the rookie draft could be for a player we rate has slipped through if not then a mature body?

Then 2 mature bodies like Blakey & Goddard with the other 2 picks

 

[Eiffel 65]

If we assume we pick Walsh at 1 and BSOS with 77 who do we pick at 69 & 71?

I am hoping 1 or 2 names like Bytel Berry Bowman Joyce Koschitzke Fletcher Podhajski slip through

Pick One in the rookie draft could be for a player we rate has slipped through if not then a mature body?

Then 2 mature bodies like Blakey & Goddard with the other 2 picks

Yes please. Would be over the moon with either Bytel, Berry and Joyce.

Pretty confident Bytel will be off the board though.

Joyce will be a star!

 

[Soapy V]

Yes please. Would be over the moon with either Bytel, Berry and Joyce.

Pretty confident Bytel will be off the board though.

Joyce will be a star!

If we landed

Pick One: Walsh
Pick 69: Berry
Pick 71: Joyce/Fletcher
Pick 77: BSOS

Rookies

Blakey
Goddard
Bugg/Fisher

then I'm happy

I'd really like another mature mid like Grigg Bolton or Cavarra but haven't anything close to them being considered