Changes for 2007 ????

[baywatch5]

G'Day all.... This season has been a disappointment to say the least.... changes are needed to our list in 2007. Here are my thoughts on our list to date:

DELIST:
Gardiner / Koula (one will stay)
Hunt. S
Lonegan
McCarthy
Sheringham
Slade / Spencer (Not sure which way will go but think one will go)

RETIRE:
Riccardi

POSSIBLE TRADE:
Byrnes (be interesting on what he would attract???)
Kelly (young talent in bad form. did attract interest last year, would still have good currency)
Kingsley (don't think will attract any interest but think his time is up)

OTHER:
Batchelor (elevated to senior list)
Grima (Retain on rookie list)

SAFE:
Ablett.G
Ablett.N
Bartel
Blake
Chapman
Corey
Egan
Enright
Gamble
Harley
Hunt.J
Johnson. D
Johnson. S
King
Ling
Mackie
Milburn
Mooney
Ottens
Owen
Playfair
Prismall
Rooke
Scarlett
Stokes
Tenace
Varcoe
West
Wojcinski

This would free up 4 spots and If Kelly/Byrnes/Kingsey could attract maybe a 1st and a 3rd round pick from somewhere we could end up with something like this:
Draft
8, 13?, 25, 41(T.Hawkins), 45?,

Rookie elevation - N. Batchelor

May be wishful thinking but in a very strong draft these selections would be very nice.... imagine the quality we could end up with with picks 8,13,25 and then Grabbing Tommy Hawkins with our 4th pick!!!!

 

[Cattas2006]

i cant really see batchelor getting a elevation to our senior list when there is such a strong draft coming up...

trading kelly is nonsense talk, and i dont like it, so what, he is having a bad season, but for all we know, he might be carrying a injury, that is keeping him unfit.

pritty much agree with all the other points.

 

[Cats!!]

That pick 13 looks good if we could get it. could we maybe tarde our second pick and a player that is quite young. We could boost Prismals currency at the trade table by players him and showing other clubs what he has. Its a player we don't really want to get rid of. but we may have to. Imagine If we could pick up a KPP with like pick 8 and then with pick 13 pick up someone like Proud. Although i doubt someone will trade there first pick.

 

[Turbocat]

Just who de we see giving us P13 and for who? Really unless we want to shower in the pain of trade time we really wont get anything earlier than P17. For eg. throw Egan in with his mate Kelly , it would kill us but Id say it would get us an early pick.
I think if we can trade for two extra R2 picks, say in the late 20's with only a minor spinkling of pain , we would be better off.

Also , to keep Batch. I think he needs game time to show his worth and I just wonder if Riccardi is 100% certain to retire?

 

[catempire]

Don't bank on getting extra picks in rounds 1 or 2. We don't have anything of value we'd be willing to give up and clubs aren't going to be throwing their picks around in a draft this strong.

Think about it. If you were from another team, what would you give up for Mackie or Hunt or Kelly or Gardiner or Steve Johnson?

(I haven't mentioned the likes of Lonergan, Koula and McCarthy because I think they have close to a zero trade value and I haven't mentioned players like Ling or King because despite what many on this board think, they will not be traded)

You're probably looking at 3rd round picks at best for any of those boys. Then you've got to ask yourself whether we are better off with a 3rd round pick or Mackie, a third round pick or Hunt, etc. It all starts to lose its sheen.

I think we'll be very lucky if we get any more picks in the draft than our allocation.

 

[JUBJUB]

DELIST:
Gardiner / Koula (one will stay)

Why will one stay ?
They aren't fighting for the same position.I think both will go.

Slade / Spencer (Not sure which way will go but think one will go)

Same as above.Also,Slade is a Rookie.Either he has to be promoted or it's see ya later.

 

[Cats!!]

I was wondering, everyone wants us to pick up a backmen to replace Harley. Could we maybe mould Grima into a CHB or a third tall defender. Most backman start of in the forward line. i haven't seen much of Grima, but i just threw it up as an idea.

 

[year of the cat]

Just who de we see giving us P13 and for who? Really unless we want to shower in the pain of trade time we really wont get anything earlier than P17. For eg. throw Egan in with his mate Kelly , it would kill us but Id say it would get us an early pick.
I think if we can trade for two extra R2 picks, say in the late 20's with only a minor spinkling of pain , we would be better off.

Also , to keep Batch. I think he needs game time to show his worth and I just wonder if Riccardi is 100% certain to retire?

I tend to think that Kelly may only command a early 2nd round pick but you never know - I could see Brisbane offering their 2nd round pick (~21 overall) or even Essendon offering either their priority pick (17) or 2nd round pick (18). Collingwood, with an ageing midfield, may be prepared to part with their first round pick (~13) but that is probably a little optimistic.

If Kelly was able to consistently play at the level we all know he can then this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[GeeCat]

Also , to keep Batch. I think he needs game time to show his worth and I just wonder if Riccardi is 100% certain to retire?

I can't foresee any of our current rookies not named Grima staying on next year (much to do with this years perceived depth in the draft more than anything).

 

[baywatch5]

I tend to think that Kelly may only command a early 2nd round pick but you never know - I could see Brisbane offering their 2nd round pick (~21 overall) or even Essendon offering either their priority pick (17) or 2nd round pick (18). Collingwood, with an ageing midfield, may be prepared to part with their first round pick (~13) but that is probably a little optimistic.

If Kelly was able to consistently play at the level we all know he can then this wouldn't be an issue.

I agree, Kelly was just a thought but was thinking the clubs you've mentioned would show interest. maybe kelly and our 2nd pick for collingwoods first??? do you think Byrnes will be any value?

 

[baywatch5]

Why will one stay ?
They aren't fighting for the same position.I think both will go.

Yeah you right, but don't think we will cut to many and think one of these boys may hold his spot

Same as above.Also,Slade is a Rookie.Either he has to be promoted or it's see ya later.

I think either slade promoted / spencer delisted or slade gone / spencer retained. just think one will stay on next year

 

[baywatch5]

That pick 13 looks good if we could get it. could we maybe tarde our second pick and a player that is quite young. We could boost Prismals currency at the trade table by players him and showing other clubs what he has. Its a player we don't really want to get rid of. but we may have to. Imagine If we could pick up a KPP with like pick 8 and then with pick 13 pick up someone like Proud. Although i doubt someone will trade there first pick.

Bit like trading Maloney few years back?

Think bomber's pretty keen on prismall, just think kelly/byrnes is a bit more realistic. Especially in this years draft.

Our recruiters will be on to this and be aimming to land a few extra early picks as did in 2001. Back then Bizzel and Murphy gave us 17, 23 and 41 as extras. That draft was as good as it gets!

 

[bashar]

how does byrnes have any currency if hes playing in the vfl ever week?
kelly to collingwood isnt a bad idea for them theyre looking at finals and want a ready made player...but hang on so are we so no.....kelly stays, yes his form has dipped but so has everyone. if koola plays more afl in the middle his currency might go up this year but theres not so much scope since hes a bit old...i agree if we play prismal and bach who knows they might do well and we might couple them off with a second or a 4th round pick to get a solid pick......but i see them as just quantative players i.e. making up the numbers...nothing special about them...but then again i havent really really seen them play so i cant judge.
would playfair have any value?

 

[Jack-Packenham]

Delist

Koula
Lonergan
Gardiner
Kingsley
Slade
Sheringham
Riccardi
S Hunt
Batchelor
McCarthy

Trade 2 of the following in an attempt to improve draft position

S Johnson
Enright
Kelly
Ling
Mackie

Elevate Grima

Father / Son Hawkins

Draft KPP with 1st pick

Draft another KPP later in the draft

All other draft selections to be clearance players and skillful quick mediums

If we could trade Playfair to Sydney for Vogels I would be rapt and so should everybody else on this board

 

[Partridge]

I was wondering, everyone wants us to pick up a backmen to replace Harley. Could we maybe mould Grima into a CHB or a third tall defender. Most backman start of in the forward line. i haven't seen much of Grima, but i just threw it up as an idea.

Fair enough, but for a 3rd defender you've forgotten Matthew Egan. He is clearly pencilled in to replace Harley as the centre half back longterm (if not already). He's done enough to keep his spot, so if they were to groom Grima as a key defender, he'd be behind Scarlett, Harley and Egan.

 

[thehoff]

Just who de we see giving us P13 and for who? Really unless we want to shower in the pain of trade time we really wont get anything earlier than P17. For eg. throw Egan in with his mate Kelly , it would kill us but Id say it would get us an early pick.
I think if we can trade for two extra R2 picks, say in the late 20's with only a minor spinkling of pain , we would be better off.

Also , to keep Batch. I think he needs game time to show his worth and I just wonder if Riccardi is 100% certain to retire?

Normally nearly agree with everything you say, however i cant beleive you said the highlighted.

In a time when Tommy Harley is beginning to show signs that he wont be around for too much longer, Scarlo getting no younger and no decent backup key position backmen, Egan is the future of our backline.

All this talk of getting KPP players, yet you are willing to trade one in order to get another?. I don't see the logic. This guy is a future All Australian and one of my favourite players... MUST KEEP HIM imo.

 

[Jack-Packenham]

Dont forget Mooney for the backline. If the cats land Sellar, Gumbleton or Thorp along with Hawkins, Mooney will then be available to move back to defence when required.
I would rookie a couple of key defenders and give them a couple of years in the VFL and hope one comes through.

 

[Partridge]

Our recruiters will be on to this and be aimming to land a few extra early picks as did in 2001. Back then Bizzel and Murphy gave us 17, 23 and 41 as extras. That draft was as good as it gets!

Funny you mention that year's draft, as it gave us Kelly, Steve Johnson, Playfair, McCarthy, Gardiner and David Johnson. As none of these guys have succeeded I'd say that draft is a long way from "as good as it gets". Remember it's the same coach and the same recruiting staff. If everyone is questioning the quality of our list, how do you know that Thompson and co. won't draft another 6 players who disappoint?

The other point everyone forgets is Thompson himself. He traded Moloney through clenched teeth and almost certainly won't do the same thing again. He has total faith in the current playing list - beyond reality and almost beyond sanity. To think he'll consider trading Kelly or Steve Johnson or Playfair is fanciful. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[thehoff]

Funny you mention that year's draft, as it gave us Kelly, Steve Johnson, Playfair, McCarthy, Gardiner and David Johnson. As none of these guys have succeeded I'd say that draft is a long way from "as good as it gets". Remember it's the same coach and the same recruiting staff. If everyone is questioning the quality of our list, how do you know that Thompson and co. won't draft another 6 players who disappoint?

The other point everyone forgets is Thompson himself. He traded Moloney through clenched teeth and almost certainly won't do the same thing again. He has total faith in the current playing list - beyond reality and almost beyond sanity. To think he'll consider trading Kelly or Steve Johnson or Playfair is fanciful. It ain't gonna happen.

Agree with Bomber not trading Kelly or Johno because he clearly loves the guys, however for some reason, i could see him trading Playfair. Would'nt mind seeing it either.

 

[Partridge]

Agree with Bomber not trading Kelly or Johno because he clearly loves the guys, however for some reason, i could see him trading Playfair. Would'nt mind seeing it either.

We certainly don't disagree Hoff, but seeing as at the start of last year Thompson was trumpeting how much Playfair had improved I'm not sure he'd have lost faith yet. Gardiner's been there 5 years after all.

I think Playfair will stay, purely because we don't have many big forwards. Nathan Ablett still has miles to go, yes Hawkins is coming but he may not produce immediately (if at all), and despite some good form Mooney still hasn't totally proven he can hold down centre half forward. Plus Ottens will spend time in the ruck. For those reasons I'm pretty certain Playfair will remain.

 

[clarke_rubber]

McCarthy, Sheringham and Gardiner are for the keeps!
Blokes like Lonergan, Hunt, Batchelor are good for the VFL.
Kingsley I want out. As with Will Slade who does more harm than good when he plays - had given away the most free-kicks earlier. Then we finally dropped him.

 

[chapmanmagic35]

We certainly don't disagree Hoff, but seeing as at the start of last year Thompson was trumpeting how much Playfair had improved I'm not sure he'd have lost faith yet. Gardiner's been there 5 years after all.

I think Playfair will stay, purely because we don't have many big forwards. Nathan Ablett still has miles to go, yes Hawkins is coming but he may not produce immediately (if at all), and despite some good form Mooney still hasn't totally proven he can hold down centre half forward. Plus Ottens will spend time in the ruck. For those reasons I'm pretty certain Playfair will remain.

Agreed....best post I've seen in a while.

 

[clarke_rubber]

Kelly has got to go...HE IS DISGRACEFUL!

 

[finrod]

Trade 2 of the following in an attempt to improve draft position

S Johnson
Enright
Kelly
Ling
Mackie

No way Jack - Enright has been one of our best this year! I think Ling is great as a tagger too....

 

[chapmanmagic35]

Ling will be at the GFC for the rest of his career - get used to it Jackie-Packie!