Changes for 3rd Test v India

[eddiesmith]

Isn't Agars average outside of the WACA around 33? Not terrible and he's consistently bowling on harder tracks than any other domestic spinner.

Isn't his test average 124? That's despite his only 2 tests being against the worst players of spin in world cricket

 

[Scotland]

Isn't Agars average outside of the WACA around 33? Not terrible and he's consistently bowling on harder tracks than any other domestic spinner.

It might be, I don't have that stat. To date he averages 40 from 44 FC matches which certainly doesn't demand selection in the test team.

Steve O'Keefe who people don't rate averages 23 at FC level. Jon Holland 34. Incumbent Lyon (most of his FC matches are tests) 37.

Agar has had a decent year in the Shield with 16 wickets @ 28 from 4 matches, but Holland (comfortably) and Zampa still have him covered. Even O'Keefe has 11 @ 20 from 2 matches.

 

[Zach Package]

Isn't his test average 124? That's despite his only 2 tests being against the worst players of spin in world cricket

In terms of actual relevance to what we're talking about though, that may as well have not ever happened.

Averaging about 27 with the pill this season, he actually looked like he was on his way to quite a good year until he got called up. 4 wickets a game is no mean feat given the quicks he's backing up.

 

[eddiesmith]

In terms of actual relevance to what we're talking about though, that may as well have not ever happened.

Averaging about 27 with the pill this season, he actually looked like he was on his way to quite a good year until he got called up. 4 wickets a game is no mean feat given the quicks he's backing up.

Taken 6/304 outside of a game on a Sydney dustbowl so 1 wicket an innings when its not a spinners paradise, amazing stuff!

 

[Zach Package]

Taken 6/304 outside of a game on a Sydney dustbowl so 1 wicket an innings when its not a spinners paradise, amazing stuff!

And if you subtract the games where Sayers has bowled well from his numbers they look a bit average too, zero wickets from zero games!

 

[eddiesmith]

And if you subtract the games where Sayers has bowled well from his numbers they look a bit average too, zero wickets from zero games!

He has bowled well in 1 game when it was turning sideways! Bog average rest of the time which is consistent with his career so far

Take Jon Hollands best game away and he has still taken 32 wickets in 8 games!

 

[JackOutback]

Holland doesn't play the bulk of his games at the WACA though.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Isn't his test average 124? That's despite his only 2 tests being against the worst players of spin in world cricket

He was also a 19 year old kid who had played 5 shield games.

 

[The Offerman]

It's funny, you know. For nine or so seasons Jon Holland's averages were up around what Agar's are right now. At 29 Holland finally has a good season, yet Agar sucks according to Bushranger fans.

Bet eddie wants Finch in the Test side too. Raw power, and all that.

 

[eddiesmith]

It's funny, you know. For nine or so seasons Jon Holland's averages were up around what Agar's are right now. At 29 Holland finally has a good season, yet Agar sucks according to Bushranger fans.

Bet eddie wants Finch in the Test side too. Raw power, and all that.

And no one was suggesting Jon Holland play for Australia in those days, hell he could barely get a game for Victoria!

But I suppose when the only test players WA have these days are the Marsh sisters and hopefully for Australia's sake they wont see one of them ever again, for England's sake I hope he plays the Ashes! Then of course they will talk up a bog average spinner like Agar and make excuse after excuse.

Hell for the Ashes lets hope Australia pick Marsh x 2, Agar, Cartwright, maybe they can even slot Klinger in there somewhere to help us win 5-0

Actually I wouldn't mind seeing him in the 4th test if Australia wins the 3rd, one of the highlights of the BBL was Agars facial expressions when he got hit for 6 and there were plenty of them!

 

[The Offerman]

Once again, not a Warriors supporter. Agar is better than Holland though.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Holland, at this point in time, is a better bowler than Agar. No question.

I'd be disappointed if that didn't change with time.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Holland, at this point in time, is a better bowler than Agar. No question.

I'd be disappointed if that didn't change with time.

Not as a 2nd spinner or 3rd spinner. Lyon is the primary spinner. Your other spinners have to be able to bat. Okeefe can, Agar can, Maxwell, etc. You can't have 3 bunnies at 9-11!

 

[Bradesmaen]

Not as a 2nd spinner or 3rd spinner. Lyon is the primary spinner. Your other spinners have to be able to bat. Okeefe can, Agar can, Maxwell, etc. You can't have 3 bunnies at 9-11!

How does that relate to Holland being a better spinner than Agar?

 

[Gough]

If Mitch Marsh's shoulder is so buggered it could need a reconstruction you've got to ask why he was there in the first place?

 

[Underarm]

Not as a 2nd spinner or 3rd spinner. Lyon is the primary spinner. Your other spinners have to be able to bat. Okeefe can, Agar can, Maxwell, etc. You can't have 3 bunnies at 9-11!

How do you explain SCG macgill?

Surely we can all get behind the idea of picking the 4 best bowlers for the conditions right?

 

[Spanghertron]

If Mitch Marsh's shoulder is so buggered it could need a reconstruction you've got to ask why he was there in the first place?

It seems a pretty big balls up considering he was selected for his bowling more so than his batting.It must have been in pretty bad shape for him to do further damage after only bowling 5 overs in 2 matches.
Think we would have been better off with Cartwright whose batting would have been better than marsh and bowling would have probably been on par with his. Or thrown Wade at 6 and played Faulkner.

 

[full on the fence]

Maybe they'll play Stoinis as the 2nd seamer and play another spinner

Renshaw
Warner
Smith
Marsh
Handscombe
Stoinis
Maxwell / Agar
Wade
Okeefe
Hazelwood
Lyon

 

[Torz]

Feeling like forever between these two tests.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How do you explain SCG macgill?

Surely we can all get behind the idea of picking the 4 best bowlers for the conditions right?

Please tell me you are not claiming Holland as good as MacGill! None of our spinners are better than above average. None. Might as well pick the blokes that can bat a bit if at the end of the day they are getting the same amount of wickets in all likelihood.

 

[Underarm]

Please tell me you are not claiming Holland as good as MacGill! None of our spinners are better than above average. None. Might as well pick the blokes that can bat a bit if at the end of the day they are getting the same amount of wickets in all likelihood.

Of course not. But we should be picking the best 4 bowlers suitable to the conditions, without worrying about their ability with the bat. Cameron White shouldn't have played as a 2nd spinner. Neither should Steve Smith. There's a really good reason Why Agar has only played 2 tests as well.

And if we don't have a 2nd spinner good enough, then we shouldn't play 2 spinners.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Of course not. But we should be picking the best 4 bowlers suitable to the conditions, without worrying about their ability with the bat. Cameron White shouldn't have played as a 2nd spinner. Neither should Steve Smith. There's a really good reason Why Agar has only played 2 tests as well.

And if we don't have a 2nd spinner good enough, then we shouldn't play 2 spinners.

Like it or not Australia won't be selecting 4 bunnies with the bat especially when Wade is at 7, and an iffy number 6. We need depth to cover our 6 and 7. It is why Cummins, Pattinson will be ahead of Behrendoff, Sayers and any other bunny.

Now if we had a Gilchrist at 7, and a bloke averaging 45 at 6, we might change this but that ain't happening any time soon

 

[frankrizzo]

If Mitch Marsh's shoulder is so buggered it could need a reconstruction you've got to ask why he was there in the first place?

Yeah i actually feel sorry for smith i like many others blamed him for not bowling marsh enough and now it turns out he and the selectors knew for a long time they were picking an allrounder who can't bat but who also had a shoulder so bad he could barely bowl, not even sure the comically inept pommy selectors from the 90's could screw things up that bad.

 

[kidgorgeous]

You'd think that would have convinced the doubters, eh?

I swear some people care more about the aesthetics of spin bowling than the actual results. They'd rather see someone who "looks good out the hand" or "turns it square" or "has variation" while going for 4-5 an over and not taking many/any wickets.

Discipline, consistency and accuracy works for spin bowlers just like it does for pacemen. That's how O'Keefe has kept the runs down and taken wickets, both in this series and across his career.

Anyone calling for for O'Keefe to be dropped at this point for a garbage leg spinner because he "doesn't turn it enough" is nothing short of a f**king idiot.

Sun shines out of a dog's arse now and then.

 

[Underarm]

Like it or not Australia won't be selecting 4 bunnies with the bat especially when Wade is at 7, and an iffy number 6. We need depth to cover our 6 and 7. It is why Cummins, Pattinson will be ahead of Behrendoff, Sayers and any other bunny.

Now if we had a Gilchrist at 7, and a bloke averaging 45 at 6, we might change this but that ain't happening any time soon

I don't think Patto or Cummins selection had anything to do with them being better batsmen, and the way to solve an 'iffy no 6.' Isn't to stack your bowlers with the option that bats better.