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Swepson won't even play but if you're taking 4 spinners I think you still need a leggy and Swepson is first in line.

In India you don’t. Plus Kuhermann turns it the other way to Lyon anyway.
 
If we are to play 3 spinners, we need Green fit. Actually wouldn't mind a 3 pronged spin attack of Lyon, Agar and Swepson if conditions warrant. All unique to each other.

Swepson shouldn't be anywhere near the starting side.

Slow spinners get eaten for breakfast in India, even Warne had his struggles.

Fast finger spinners are much more effective, see Jadeja as a perfect example.

The ball still spins considerably, far less time to react and the ball tends to bounce and spit much more at a fast speed from finger spinners in India.

Murphy has to be included.

Travis Head will/would take more wickets than Swepson.
 
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If Carey was to get injured, and Handscomb play a test as keeper, I will spew up. Surely you just take a proper backup keeper?
If Carey gets injured and they wanted a full time keeper surely they would just fly across lets say Inglis who would still be playing shield cricket in Australia.
 

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Swepson won't even play but if you're taking 4 spinners I think you still need a leggy and Swepson is first in line.

Leggy's are horrible in India.

Even look at Kumble, he bowled so much faster than a traditional leggie.

You need to bowl spin at decent pace in India to be effective.

Swepson will go for 100+ every innings in India bowling 70-80kph cannon fodder.
 
Australia Test squad for tour of India: Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Lance Morris, Todd Murphy, Matthew Renshaw, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner
So how does Renshaw jump ahead of Harris.Renshaw has only 1 good score in the shield this season.If the selectors rate Renshaw ahead of Harris he should have been in the 14 man squad when the tests started.
 
Jesus. I don't follow domestic cricket, but looking at the stats, if they are the three best spinners after Lyons we are in massive trouble if Lyons goes down.

Murphy is acknowledged by pretty much everyone (including Lyon) as a special talent and the best spin bowler in domestic cricket at the moment.

His stats are perfectly fine.
 
Wouldn’t we just play Boland if Starc is out anyway? If that’s the plan Morris should have played in Sydney
The last test of the last series was at Dharamsala is noteworthy because after we ran through them in Pune and Lyon picked up 8 in the second test (with the third test having O'Keefe picking up 7 in a drawn test) they got a bit concerned about our spinners on turning decks. We had Steve Smith, and he pretty much singlehandedly beat them at Pune; between him, Lyon and O'Keefe, we were guaranteed to make more runs than they could before we bowled them out.

They took a risk with the deck in the last test. Not a dustbowl; it still took turn, but instead of just footmarks and crumble the surface was green and bouncy, and Umesh Yadav picked up 6 wickets for the test and Kumar 2. They beat us with seam and bounce, after we'd spent the entire lead up working on learning to play the spinning ball on subcontinental surfaces.

I think Morris (and to an extent Handscomb) is coming along in case they do something similar here; in case they take a risk like this, and instead of doing what we did last time and stick with players whose practice has been wrong, we have one or two bowlers in reserve who suit the conditions and who simply come out and play their way. If they decide to play nothing but dustbowls, Handscomb plays instead of Green; if they decide to try and bat us out of a test in an innings, we've got Green and Head to provide chopout overs and Agar can bat.

This squad is a good deal more interesting than previous squads for India.
 

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Murphy is acknowledged by pretty much everyone (including Lyon) as a special talent and the best spin bowler in domestic cricket at the moment.

His stats are perfectly fine.

From the little I have seen of him - he looks super bright. Massive drift which is a huge weapon.

Whether he plays a test or not - he will get experience in the conditions which should set him up for future tours.

Personally - I'd love for him and a few others to get to India early. If he seems to impress in the nets - get him in the side.
 
Renshaw has experience playing in India for one.

A better fieldsman as well.Personally think Harris,s days around the test squad might be over which will please some posters on here.Will be interesting to see how goes in the remaining shield games as the way he fielded and the shot he got himself out in that T20 crap last night perhaps suggested he knew he had missed out on a trip to India.
 
So how does Renshaw jump ahead of Harris.Renshaw has only 1 good score in the shield this season.If the selectors rate Renshaw ahead of Harris he should have been in the 14 man squad when the tests started.

How did harris get back to first in queue so quickly after two awful stints in test cricket is the real question you should be asking, renshaw as a kid still showed far more at test level than harris ever did, after harris last failed stint in tests he should have been dead last in pecking order and after we tried all the other potential test openers and if he was still making shied runs he gets another crack at it.
 
Overall - i think the squad is solid.

I'd have preferred Inglis over Renshaw - mainly so we have a specialist keeper backup. Handscomb can take the gloves for a day - but I assume if there is injury, Inglis is on next flight over.

But for me Inglis is one of our better players of spin, as is Handscomb. Horses for courses, i'd rather Handscomb bat then Warner or Head
 
From the little I have seen of him - he looks super bright. Massive drift which is a huge weapon.

Whether he plays a test or not - he will get experience in the conditions which should set him up for future tours.

Personally - I'd love for him and a few others to get to India early. If he seems to impress in the nets - get him in the side.

The comments from Buck Rogers on SEN were that his accuracy and his cricket IQ are his biggest strengths.

His plan's to get batsman out, field placements, building pressure etc aren't something we've seen in domestic cricket in a young spinner since Warne.

As you said, he also has the technical skills to back it up - i.e gets good turn and can also get consistent drift.
 

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Why is Warner going? He averages under 27 in every regular playing test nation other than SA? Rubbish on sub continent
His 2 hundreds in Bangladesh were in a match we lost on a bunsen where he almost single-handedly got Australia a win in a 4th innings chase and then a win when 1-0 down so it seems harsh to leave those out when assessing his subcontinental history.
 
So how does Renshaw jump ahead of Harris.Renshaw has only 1 good score in the shield this season.If the selectors rate Renshaw ahead of Harris he should have been in the 14 man squad when the tests started.
I don't rate Harris at all, but gee he can consider himself stiff.

In the test squad for the whole summer and then gets left out of an 18 man squad.
 
How did harris get back to first in queue so quickly after two awful stints in test cricket is the real question you should be asking, renshaw as a kid still showed far more at test level than harris ever did, after harris last failed stint in tests he should have been dead last in pecking order and after we tried all the other potential test openers and if he was still making shied runs he gets another crack at it.

Would not call Harris performance in test cricket as aweful,where he fell down he was getting starts and getting to 30 odd and then getting out.Hopefully Puckovic,s return is not far away and all his health issues are finished.
 
How did harris get back to first in queue so quickly after two awful stints in test cricket is the real question you should be asking, renshaw as a kid still showed far more at test level than harris ever did, after harris last failed stint in tests he should have been dead last in pecking order and after we tried all the other potential test openers and if he was still making shied runs he gets another crack at it.
The point is though, why was Harris in the squad in the first instance?
 

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