Test Changes for... India 23 Edition + Post-match chat...

[HTPunter]

I personally think we’re a solid chance at winning the series. India is due for a revamp in their test side with many ageing names hanging on by a thread - Pujara coming off a MOTS but let’s see with an upgrade in the attack how he goes, Kohli troubles well known, Rahul averaged 17 in 2022, and they are likely to be missing Bumrah for part and definitely Pant for all.

We’re a chance. Just hoping Warner making 200 doesn’t burn us by being 1 down for **** all every time.

 

[HTPunter]

Rohit isn’t going any better, just can’t get on the field for test cricket. 2022 was 3 innings @ 30

 

[KBLT]

I have a feeling Kohli will pull a huge series out

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I personally think we’re a solid chance at winning the series. India is due for a revamp in their test side with many ageing names hanging on by a thread - Pujara coming off a MOTS but let’s see with an upgrade in the attack how he goes, Kohli troubles well known, Rahul averaged 17 in 2022, and they are likely to be missing Bumrah for part and definitely Pant for all.

We’re a chance. Just hoping Warner making 200 doesn’t burn us by being 1 down for * all every time.

Pant is the biggest loss. Literally their best test bat over the last 12 months

 

[Sonny Hayes]

I personally think we’re a solid chance at winning the series. India is due for a revamp in their test side with many ageing names hanging on by a thread - Pujara coming off a MOTS but let’s see with an upgrade in the attack how he goes, Kohli troubles well known, Rahul averaged 17 in 2022, and they are likely to be missing Bumrah for part and definitely Pant for all.

We’re a chance. Just hoping Warner making 200 doesn’t burn us by being 1 down for * all every time.

I am not that confident, it is the most vulnrable that they have been in a long time in India. But i still think they should win.

Similar to the last series over here to be honest, i think we win that series more often than not. But a couple of bad decisions and a decent sized choke job coupled with some outstanding performances from some of the lesser known players got them over the line.

I expect Smith, Cummins, Lyon etc to do a good job, that can maybe win us a test. But to win this series we will need performances from Warner, Usman, Head, Agar, Carey. Now not even dominant series but if they can just have a standout innings or two it might be enough.

 

[Westend]

we need just one win in the series to get into the ICC final

 

[frankrizzo]

I personally think we’re a solid chance at winning the series. India is due for a revamp in their test side with many ageing names hanging on by a thread - Pujara coming off a MOTS but let’s see with an upgrade in the attack how he goes, Kohli troubles well known, Rahul averaged 17 in 2022, and they are likely to be missing Bumrah for part and definitely Pant for all.

We’re a chance. Just hoping Warner making 200 doesn’t burn us by being 1 down for * all every time.

Feels like people dont really grasp just how good india are at home, these guys barely lose test matches let alone test series at home so the idea of our batting being strong enough to consistently get on top of the indian spinners on those decks seems very very unlikely, and its not about our bowling or their batting it never really is its about us collapsing to their spinners when the game is there to be won.

I always look back at this test as perfect example of why people make too much of our bowling in india and not enough about the consistent inability(still evident in sl unfortunately) to ram home the advantage with the bat.

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We had the series all but wrapped up, 1-0 up already then lyon basically won us the test series by taking 8-50 on first day as we bowled them out for just 180 and we were 2/130 in reply we then lose 18 wickets for just 230 runs with ashwin and jadeja just rolling through new men at the crease before they can get set and we lose the test and the series.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Not about one bad Test, it's about a career of meh at first class level. I agree he'll play though.

I think though that his 1st class results aren’t that relevant. The feeling is he’ll be a useful cog in Indian conditions, and I reckon that’s correct. Personally I wouldn’t play him anywhere except India.

 

[Sphynx]

Feels like people dont really grasp just how good india are at home, these guys barely lose test matches let alone test series at home so the idea of our batting being strong enough to consistently get on top of the indian spinners on those decks seems very very unlikely, and its not about our bowling or their batting it never really is its about us collapsing to their spinners when the game is there to be won.

I always look back at this test as perfect example of why people make too much of our bowling in india and not enough about the consistent inability(still evident in sl unfortunately) to ram home the advantage with the bat.

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We had the series all but wrapped up, 1-0 up already then lyon basically won us the test series by taking 8-50 on first day as we bowled them out for just 180 and we were 2/130 in reply we then lose 18 wickets for just 230 runs with ashwin and jadeja just rolling through new men at the crease before they can get set and we lose the test and the series.

That is everyone’s point though.

That side got increadibly close to a drawn series with a completely shit batting lineup.

Bangalore was mostly the toss that decided it, the fact we got as close as we did was increadible.

Unless you are trying to claim there’s no difference in quality between a batting lineup of Renshaw, Warner, S.Marsh, Smith, M.Marsh and Wade to this current one.

 

[frankrizzo]

That is everyone’s point though.

That side got increadibly close to a drawn series with a completely s**t batting lineup.

Bangalore was mostly the toss that decided it, the fact we got as close as we did was increadible.

Unless you are trying to claim there’s no difference in quality between a batting lineup of Renshaw, Warner, S.Marsh, Smith, M.Marsh and Wade to this current one.

We got a very special likely to never be repeated performance from our best batsman in the peak of his career and had two spinners bowling very very well in that series and we still lost the series thats the issue, we need consistently great batting from multiple other people to win in on these decks i just dont think we have the batting for that not in india anyway vs ashwin and jadeja.

Do we have a chance? yeah i think we have as good a shot as anybody touring india right now but a solid chance? no i think solid chance is somebody meaning we have say 30/40 percent chance to win over their and cmon thats just not realistic with how strong they are at home we are a 1 in 10 shot of actually winning the series.

 

[melanChronic]

Really looking forward to this series. 2017 tour was the best I'd seen since 2005 Ashes and comparable to 2019 Ashes for the level of competitiveness or even dominance that Aus showed at times in foreign conditions. Ashamed it's taken 6 years for the next edition, but feel at least Australia are in a better place to succeed than they were during the Paine years.

Hopefully India fall into the trap of raging turners to combat Australia's pace attack and Cummins can snag a few tosses. Last tour the first two tests were minefields that only served to bring O'Keefe and Lyon up to the level of Ashwin and Jadeja.

The difference from 2017 though is that this lineup should be better placed to compete on flat wickets as well. Cummins is still very effective in harsh bowling conditions and reverse swing has been honed by the Aussies. Having Green also gives the attack more staying power to grind through long partnerships. Most importantly, the top 7 should be much more capable at keeping India in the field for a long time and now Smith should have a few partners to help him shoulder the load.

 

[Sphynx]

We got a very special likely to never be repeated performance from our best batsman in the peak of his career and had two spinners bowling very very well in that series and we still lost the series thats the issue, we need consistently great batting from multiple other people to win in on these decks i just dont think we have the batting for that not in india anyway vs ashwin and jadeja.

Do we have a chance? yeah i think we have as good a shot as anybody touring india right now but a solid chance? no i think solid chance is somebody meaning we have say 30/40 percent chance to win over their and cmon thats just not realistic with how strong they are at home we are a 1 in 10 shot of actually winning the series.

The thing is though, it's clearly not a one off performance for Smith, it's just what he does away from home and he's proven it series after series to show that it's not just one freakish series. He's arguably the best batsman in history in all conditions (Yes that includes Bradman, as he never went to the subcontinent)

Marnus didn't have a great series in Pakistan, however he averaged 50 in his tour of Sri Lanka.

Khawaja has an average of 120 in his last 11 innings in the subcontinent, I don't know what more he can do to change peoples minds, he's arguably THE wicket for India to get given he turned into an absolute wall in Pakistan and the UAE.

Head is a wait and see, but it seems to have clicked for him. Gilchrist averaged 20 in India but also produced 2 match winning knocks over there, I'm expecting something similar from Head.


India are quite clearly the favourites, but you are asking for consistently great batting for any chance to win, well we dohave a great batting lineup by any statistical measurement you want at the moment.

 

[The Passenger]

Something must have happened off the pitch for Mitch Swepson to be demoted below Ashton Agar and - potentially - Adam Zampa. Todd Murphy leap frogging him I can understand, although I'd still have Swepson in front of him.

Swepson has been the #2 for so long now and with Lyon pushing mid 30s and the timing looking just right for a Swepson takeover in the next 24 months... He suddenly finds himself back in the queue alongside bowlers who have terrible first class records and have done nothing recent to suggest they've improved in the longer format.

Doesn't add up. Feels like there's more than meets the eye.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Something must have happened off the pitch for Mitch Swepson to be demoted below Ashton Agar and - potentially - Adam Zampa. Todd Murphy leap frogging him I can understand, although I'd still have Swepson in front of him.

Swepson has been the #2 for so long now and with Lyon pushing mid 30s and the timing looking just right for a Swepson takeover in the next 24 months... He suddenly finds himself back in the queue alongside bowlers who have terrible first class records and have done nothing recent to suggest they've improved in the longer format.

Doesn't add up. Feels like there's more than meets the eye.

His form has been dreadful you couldn’t possibly pick him in this form. Shield form very ordinary and worse in the BBL. He was also very ordinary in Pakistan/SL.

 

[TommyD13]

I get the feeling Lyon will be appreciated more once he is gone. I don’t think people understand how lucky we have been.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I get the feeling Lyon will be appreciated more once he is gone. I don’t think people understand how lucky we have been.

Lyon has improved so much over the last 3-4 years, you only have to look at how awful Maharaj was to show you how hard finger spinners have it in Australia, yet Lyon is effective here and not only that he gets a lot of wickets here.

 

[PT Bar None]

I would strongly doubt we see another pitch like the SoK minefield at Pune. That pitch got an ICC poor rating from memory.

 

[swanssince2002]

That 2017 Pune wicket was something else, watched it live and almost every ball could have been a wicket. It was spinning that much. Even SOK was just getting enough spin to get the edge. 6/35 in both the innings.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I would strongly doubt we see another pitch like the SoK minefield at Pune. That pitch got an ICC poor rating from memory.

Correct was rated poor, I hope it doesn't go too much the other way.

 

[sydney_gws]

Something must have happened off the pitch for Mitch Swepson to be demoted below Ashton Agar and - potentially - Adam Zampa. Todd Murphy leap frogging him I can understand, although I'd still have Swepson in front of him.

Swepson has been the #2 for so long now and with Lyon pushing mid 30s and the timing looking just right for a Swepson takeover in the next 24 months... He suddenly finds himself back in the queue alongside bowlers who have terrible first class records and have done nothing recent to suggest they've improved in the longer format.

Doesn't add up. Feels like there's more than meets the eye.

Maybe we.should ask Steve O'Keefe to make a comeback? Just joking, hopefully the second spinner if played steps up. Otherwise, give 3 paceman a go. Hopefully we get the ball to reverse swing at times.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Maybe we.should ask Steve O'Keefe to make a comeback? Just joking, hopefully the second spinner if played steps up. Otherwise, give 3 paceman a go. Hopefully we get the ball to reverse swing at times.

Would only play 3 quicks if Starc is fit, not sure any of our quicks apart from Starc/Cummins know how to reverse the ball!

 

[Hamez]

Australia Test squad for tour of India: Pat Cummins (c), Ashton Agar, Scott Boland, Alex Carey, Cameron Green, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Nathan Lyon, Lance Morris, Todd Murphy, Matthew Renshaw, Steve Smith (vc), Mitchell Starc, Mitchell Swepson, David Warner

No back up keeper selected.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

18 man squad named

Cummins
Agar
Boland
Carey
Green
Handscomb
Hazelwood
Head
Khawaja
Lab
Lyon
Morris
Murphy
Renshaw
Smith
Starc
Swepson
Warner

Dead set why isn't Kuhermann there and why are we taking Morris on an Indian tour when he can play Shield. 18 man squad and no reserve keeper lol

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'd love to know what they are picking Swepson off? Murphy I get as backup to Lyon but I hope we aren't going with him and Lyon. We have Head as well as an offie.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

18 man squad named

Cummins
Agar
Boland
Carey
Green
Handscomb
Hazelwood
Head
Khawaja
Lab
Lyon
Morris
Murphy
Renshaw
Smith
Starc
Swepson
Warner

Dead set why isn't Kuhermann there and why are we taking Morris on an Indian tour when he can play Shield. 18 man squad and no reserve keeper lol

They will claim Handscomb can be the back up keeper as if it wouldn't be a disaster