Prediction Changes for Rd 3 vs Brisbane

[Tugga27]

I'm presuming at this point you totally overlooked the fact that Ah Chee was in my outs?

No, I was just wondering how someone who got one kick for the whole game could've been classed as being up and about and then faded.
I'd hate to see his stats if he had a quiet one.

 

[RookiePick]

ok

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

With the Crumbles having ongoing problems in the ruck department i.e. Darcy injury prone and Lobbe's preference to play forward, I wonder if there is an opportunity to trade a premiership ruckman or Hickey to them at year's end for an early second round pick......
We will still be left with Nic, Williams, one of Hickey or Vardy and a project ruckman in Jamieson.

Vardy or Hickey for an early 2nd rounder? you’ve got to be kidding. If either were traded they’d be for 5th round picks that wouldn’t even be used

 

[Dark Sharks]

Nelson, Ah Chee, Hurn, Petch and Cripps were all up and about early gaiz.


BOG for mine.


You need to use your eyes more.

 

[WCE Wizard]

Would prefer to replace Nelson with Cole or Franky than adding another tall if Nelson loses his spot.

Agreed, I would love COle or Franky in the team add some pace and drive

 

[WCE Wizard]

The problem is structure
(a) NN is not fit to run out games
(b) Hence the extra ruckman -
(c) Oscar Allen looks a natural forward, i would prefer to see him play that role

Use Bailey Williams as a ruckman and Achee out
Franky Watson or Cole for Nelson
Schoey for Gov depending on the Tribunal

Boy we miss Jarrod Cameron or a Rioli

 

[Chris_6678]

Is Cameron far off? I think him replacing Petch will go along way to our forward line working better.

Cripps played his worst game in some time so hopefully he bounces back plus its his 150th game.

 

[FreeTK]

Is Cameron far off? I think him replacing Petch will go along way to our forward line working better.

Cripps played his worst game in some time so hopefully he bounces back plus its his 150th game.

Here is the injury report from a couple of days before the Suns clash. Based on what Vozzo says he won't be ready this week, and may not be ready for any games in this block. I don't even think he played in the scratch match.

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[Obeanie1]

The problem is structure
(a) NN is not fit to run out games
(b) Hence the extra ruckman -
(c) Oscar Allen looks a natural forward, i would prefer to see him play that role

Use Bailey Williams as a ruckman and Achee out
Franky Watson or Cole for Nelson
Schoey for Gov depending on the Tribunal

Boy we miss Jarrod Cameron or a Rioli

We are too tall.

The same mother #$@* mistake we seem to make over, over and bloody well over again and again.

Why can everyone see this especially in wet games but our coach can't?

 

[Chris_6678]

We are too tall.

The same mother #$@* mistake we seem to make over, over and bloody well over again and again.

Why can everyone see this especially in wet games but our coach can't?

Its very frustrating inst it. We had similar problems in 2016-2017 with playing 3 talls in the backline but we finally saw the light and only have two.

The problem is trying to fit Brander & Allen in along side JK + Darling + Nic Nat.

 

[FreeTK]

We are too tall.

The same mother #$@* mistake we seem to make over, over and bloody well over again and again.

Why can everyone see this especially in wet games but our coach can't?

That is the glaring obvious.

In my mind, what is also true is our small forwards aren't getting to work like we need them to. A lot of people rightly talk about Cripps stinker of a game, but I think we can't place the blame at the feet of just one person in that situation.

I am a big believer in critical mass. Cripps can't do what we expect from him if his team mates aren't equally applying pressure. Collectively, Petch, Ah Chee, Sheed are simply not able/willing to run, tackle, chase and lock the ball in. We led inside 50 in the first half, at one point in the first quarter, it was something like 16-6 our way. We repeatedly saw the ball go in, and come back out like pin ball machine.

I know our small forwards stocks are down at the moment, but the review needs to be scathing of the defensive pressure applied by those in the forward half. We won hit outs, we won clearances, and yet got beat like we stole something because of an inability for repeat inside 50's, and an inability to create stoppages in our forward half.

Basically, the review for our small forwards needs to be "When the ball comes in to our forward half, it is on you to ensure that ball stays trapped in our forward 50 and doesn't come out. That requires, effort, tackling and pressure. That's the role we need you to play". If players like Petch and Ah Chee can't do that we are going to have to find someone who can.

I'd be willing to take a shot on Jones who has played at AFL level before. Hell, I'd even throw Yeo up forward at times to provide some ball winning/pressure up forward.

 

[RookiePick]

Wouldn't be averse to Jones having a run for Ah Chee. Can't be worse and might have a tonne more desire/intent.

I called for XoN in but apparently he is injured. Jones ran through the midfield in the scratchy too. We are desperate for some rotations to help spread the load on our mids.

 

[Doashuey]

The problem is structure
(a) NN is not fit to run out games
(b) Hence the extra ruckman -
(c) Oscar Allen looks a natural forward, i would prefer to see him play that role

Use Bailey Williams as a ruckman and Achee out
Franky Watson or Cole for Nelson
Schoey for Gov depending on the Tribunal

Boy we miss Jarrod Cameron or a Rioli

We do have a structural problem but adding in another ruckman for a medium forward is not going to help. Basically, to bring in another ruck , another tall needs to make way. Id like Allen forward as well so if you are going to play him as a pure forward and not rucking then someone like JK would need to make way. There is no easy solution. Thats why they are using Allen in the 2nd ruck role, it gets him in the side at the expense of another ruck- we cant have both.

 

[DanWCE]

Wouldn't be averse to Jones having a run for Ah Chee. Can't be worse and might have a tonne more desire/intent.

I called for XoN in but apparently he is injured. Jones ran through the midfield in the scratchy too. We are desperate for some rotations to help spread the load on our mids.

Curious that Jones ran through the midfield when we grabbed him to plug a forward hole and we have a riches of fit mids at the moment.

Maybe it was just a balance thing with our limited numbers or maybe they wanted to test his endurance by putting him in the middle to see what he could do in that fwd/mid role.

Ah Chee is so frustrating. Absolute world beater R1 but cannot back it up with a string of games to save himself. We lose nothing by bringing Jones in.

 

[RookiePick]

You can only pick so many mids though. We are desperate for forwards and/or backs that can rotate onto the ball for 3-5 minutes a quarter.

 

[Chris_6678]

Curious that Jones ran through the midfield when we grabbed him to plug a forward hole and we have a riches of fit mids at the moment.

Maybe it was just a balance thing with our limited numbers or maybe they wanted to test his endurance by putting him in the middle to see what he could do in that fwd/mid role.

Ah Chee is so frustrating. Absolute world beater R1 but cannot back it up with a string of games to save himself. We lose nothing by bringing Jones in.

We could be looking to fill venables role? We seriously need a player to fill his role.

 

[Obeanie1]

That is the glaring obvious.

In my mind, what is also true is our small forwards aren't getting to work like we need them to. A lot of people rightly talk about Cripps stinker of a game, but I think we can place the blame at the feet of just one person in that situation.

I am a big believer in critical mass. Cripps can't do what we expect from him if his team mates aren't equally applying pressure. Collectively, Petch, Ah Chee, Sheed are simply not able/willing to run, tackle, chase and lock the ball in. We led inside 50 in the first half, at one point in the first quarter, it was something like 16-6 our way. We repeatedly say the ball go in, and come back out like pin ball machine.

I know our small forwards stocks are down at the moment, but the review needs to be scathing of the defensive pressure applied by those in the forward half. We won hit outs, we won clearances, and yet got beat like we stole something because of an inability for repeat inside 50's, and an inability to create stoppages in our forward half.

Basically, the review for our small forwards needs to be "When the ball comes in to our forward half, it is on you to ensure that ball stays trapped in our forward 50 and doesn't come out. That requires, effort, tackling and pressure. That's the role we need you to play". If players like Petch and Ah Chee can't do that we are going to have to find someone who can.

I'd be willing to take a shot on Jones who has played at AFL level before. Hell, I'd even throw Yeo up forward at times to provide some ball winning/pressure up forward.

Cripps, Petro and Sheed are not (edit crumbing) pressure forwards. (Edit - yes Cripps chases but he is a high half forward not a pressure crumbing forward)

Sheed isn't a forward he's a goal scoring mid. Petch is still struggling to tackle and have an effective defensive game. Cripps is a hard running half forward but he is the best of the three for pressure acts.

That was pretty obvious when I saw the team line up.

We seem to have players ranked higher than others getting played out of position simply because we rate them in a different position.

Allen is a KP forward not a ruck.

Brander is a tall forward / back and we play him on a wing.

Sheed is a mid but no room so play him off a HFF rotating in the middle.

Redden is being pushed out of the midfield to a flank.

We don't have a true crumbing forward and we play Petro as a fast option moving the ball forward.

And we are trying to get Williams into the side and can't.

This all points IMO to JK stepping aside and he gets used sparingly this season. Use him as injury cover early in the season and keep him fresh for the last quarter of the year.

Brander comes out and also covers for injury / suspension.

Would rather see Waterman play instead of Ah chee. Only a couple of cm taller but runs hard and gets the ball.

Cameron can't come back in fast enough.

 

[RookiePick]

Cripps is not a pressure forward?

He wasn't on Saturday but that is his bread and butter. The bloke has been right near the top of the list for f50 pressure acts and tackles for a few seasons.

 

[Chris_6678]

You can only pick so many mids though. We are desperate for forwards and/or backs that can rotate onto the ball for 3-5 minutes a quarter.

True and this is why we miss Willie and Vennable. Both are forwards majority of the time but they had the ability to go into the midfield.

The problem is we have Petch and Ah Chee who are mids but are playing as forwards with no Mid roations.

 

[Dark Sharks]

As much as i'd like Bailey to get a game and Oscar to push forward, that just makes us even taller.

Cameron is the priority IN.

Bailey/Waterman coming in only if we lose another tall. Wouldn't complain with 'sore' Kennedy being given a week off.


We're only losing 4.5 disposals, 3M, 0.5 tackles and 0.5 goals if we do. That's what he's averaging in 2020.



I'd back all of Williams, Oscar and Waterman to beat that.

 

[Ok Boomer]

We looked too tall and slow for sure, but how much of that was workrate based?

Which smaller players are close to selection? Not many I can think of.

 

[DanWCE]

DS has already pointed out that JK hasn't been marked by world beaters and I haven't the desire to look back and confirm. He is often double teamed though and I think sides understand he still commands planning and attention, because if you leave him alone he can hurt you.

If he is dropped then Oscar loses a dummy decoy and gains a better defender as second in line instead of third/fourth.

All of these things are fine and part of the process but I would hate to hear the vitriol if Oscar performs only as well as JK has after being paid more attention due to JK not playing.

After all, Brander is copping heat after about 5 games, only two of which are in a new sacrificial, system based role. Masten got the same heat playing the same role and still a few can't realise that it's not always the player sucking, it's someone taking one for the team and doing their bit. The role sucks, not Brander (based on the body of work we've got).

 

[FreeTK]

DS has already pointed out that JK hasn't been marked by world beaters and I haven't the desire to look back and confirm. He is often double teamed though and I think sides understand he still commands planning and attention, because if you leave him alone he can hurt you.

If he is dropped then Oscar loses a dummy decoy and gains a better defender as second in line instead of third/fourth.

All of these things are fine and part of the process but I would hate to hear the vitriol if Oscar performs only as well as JK has after being paid more attention due to JK not playing.

After all, Brander is copping heat after about 5 games, only two of which are in a new sacrificial, system based role. Masten got the same heat playing the same role and still a few can't realise that it's not always the player sucking, it's someone taking one for the team and doing their bit. The role sucks, not Brander (based on the body of work we've got).

JD can take the best forward, he has had more than enough experience in being the number 1 forward at times when JK hasn't played.

Oscar will at the very least provide as much value as JK, if not more.

Williams is better in the ruck than Oscar by a fair margin, and would take 3rd best defender when up forward.

You put those together, and I reckon we are better of with OA/BW than JK/OA.

 

[Obeanie1]

Cripps is not a pressure forward?

He wasn't on Saturday but that is his bread and butter. The bloke has been right near the top of the list for f50 pressure acts and tackles for a few seasons.

Refer edits. Cripps is a hard running half forward who does normally provide pressure but he is not a crumbing / defensive forward that plays close to goal.

 

[FreeTK]

Who is up for up for a South Australian hub?

Unlike QLD, we actually seem to play well there!