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Well ok then - unfortunately that opinion doesn't fit the facts. He doesn't beat up on weak midfields and then play worse against stronger ones as you suggested. In 2013 he averaged 28.5 disposals and 5.5 tackles in wins and 28.8 disposals and 5.9 tackles in losses. As I said: consistent.

Looking more closely some of his highest disposal counts were against Sydney, Collingwood, Geelong, Adelaide, Essendon and Fremantle - all of which I would consider good midfields.

As for finals performance. It's actually very good with him consistently amongst the teams highest disposal winners and producing solid tackle counts.

If you are going to argue he doesn't stand up in finals then neither do any of our other midfielders. The exception perhaps being Kerr when he was still playing.

In any case the argument I was making has nothing to do with whether he is an "A-grade" mid or not but rather that he's not the flat track bully you accused him of being. If you look at the stats it's pretty clear he isn't and in fact is remarkably consistent regardless of opposition.


The fact that you've framed your article around his stats only goes to show that you have absolutely no idea what the more serious Priddis critics actually criticise. No one has ever denied his ability to find the ball and his ability to stand-out on a stat sheet, so you're entire post is utterly pointless and irrelevant in regards to the actual criticism I've made of Priddis over the years (feel free to look it up. Or E87's.) We know he can get the stats against the good opposition, or the bad opposition or whatever, we all know that. Unfortunately football isn't played on the stats sheet. His flaws aren't as exposed against poorer midfielders. His flaws (slow decision maker, poor disposal, lacks dynamic clearance ability, doesn't put guys in space or the best position, terrible defensively in any sort of space, slow to dispose of the ball, liability when opponent is spreading, and genuinely not having the inside mid brain of the best mids, etc) are massively exposed against good teams, and have been over the course of his career, despite his stat sheet looking similar at the end of the day. He's a plainly average footballer and largely devoting our stoppage structures around him over the last few years has made our midfield worse.


If you are going to argue he doesn't stand up in finals then neither do any of our other midfielders. The exception perhaps being Kerr when he was still playing
I did indeed argue in both 2011 and 2012 that Kerr was our only midfielder to match it with the opposition's best midfielders and stand up consistently in the finals series. He was immense in those games. Priddis was very average and got towelled up against Collingwood twice. The other mids couldn't match it either.
 
Oh good, a Priddis argument. That's what I'd been missing over the offseason.

Just in relation to the argument that he's a 'flat-track bully' against weaker sides and doesn't perform against stronger sides, in terms of MVP voting easily his best game last year was the Rd 14 loss to Essendon. At that stage the Bombers were flying and their midfield included Watson, Goddard, Stanton and Zaharakis.

His next best games were Rd 2 against Hawthorn, Rd 1 against Freo, Rd 15 against Adelaide and Rd 22 against Collingwood.
 
Garry Lyon suddenly has us in his 8 after saying we won't make the finals and Luke Darcy has us in the top 4. Late last year a lot of people were tipping us to finish bottom 4 after our woeful final three games. I get a feeling this year will end up being like 2011 all over again.

Or they're just reactionary idiots.
 
Would anyone one rather have koby or swift out there??? Ebert was always going to port, so until some mids force him out I am happy for him to stay. I would like a better player there (or deserving prospect) but we do not have one.
 

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Very excited to be going to my first game in 2014, excited to cheer on our "John Worsfold Award' Best and Fairest Medallist Matthew Priddis and the rest of the boys who are all EAGLES and deserve our lovins! Can't wait. I know we wanna smash em for percentage but I do hope the Dees put up a good fight and a good show.
 
Poorly worded by me, I meant if we beat Geelong at "their" home.

Even if we did, I'm not sure we'd be at short odds to go 4-1 v Port, Blues, Dockers, Pies & Giants ...

We'd be favourites in 3 or 4 of them but not sure we'd be short odds for the 4-1 ...

By the way, I'm yet to be convinced that 2014 Geelong is the same Geelong we've seen most of the last few years ...
Whoops, I didn't realise we had the Dockers AND the Pies away in that 5 game stretch. Combine those with the Port game and I think 3-2 would be the shortest odds.
 
Or they're just reactionary idiots.

Yes and no

The eagles showed in 2011/12 that we have a finals capable side. Aside from Kerr - we haven't really lost anyone significant.

The one thing that we showed on Sunday which is independent of the opposition is ferocity in tackling. Now we may come up against sides with better disposal and strength over the ball - that can beat that sort of pressure - however we showed in 2011/12 that level of intensity was enough for us to make it to at least week 2 of the finals.

For mine that was the most encouraging aspect and a reason why I think finals are a distinct possibility. I couldn't really blame someone prior to the season putting us 12th or 14th on their predicted ladder. Hell I wasn't sure whether we were a 4th or 15th placed side. However seeing that intensity Rd 1 suggests to me we have the hunger back and final with our squad should be a bare minimum.
 
Regardless of the rest of what you've said I think this is really inaccurate. In fact when we are getting beaten badly Priddis is often one of our only players who is effective. He always leaves everything out on the field and at times has been the only mid capable of consistently winning his own ball. Our younger midfielders, who undoubtedly have more upside, are the ones who have often struggled in against top opposition.

Shuey averages more effective disposals than Priddis in our loses in 2013 and Gaff had substantially more effective touches in our loses than in our wins last year. I wouldn't consider a whole season a sufficent data set as our midfield became highly dysfunctional last year for a whole host of reasons. Where and how Shuey and Gaff get the ball is probably much more relevant than absolute numbers because they're our most damaging players. But it does go some way to dispelling the myth that these two players in particular disappeared when things weren't going well for us.

The issue around consistency should be measured against actual influence on outcomes of games. If you're talking about efficiency then you can't go past Shuey and Gaff, there disposal, run and carry brings other players into the game and they set the standard which others including Priddis are measured.

Blue collar types who play at the ball drop all the time are center of screen all game and there impact and influence is so often over stated. Particularly in the modern game where disposal retention is pretty much as important and actual ball winning ability.
 
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Yes and no

The eagles showed in 2011/12 that we have a finals capable side. Aside from Kerr - we haven't really lost anyone significant.

The one thing that we showed on Sunday which is independent of the opposition is ferocity in tackling. Now we may come up against sides with better disposal and strength over the ball - that can beat that sort of pressure - however we showed in 2011/12 that level of intensity was enough for us to make it to at least week 2 of the finals.

For mine that was the most encouraging aspect and a reason why I think finals are a distinct possibility. I couldn't really blame someone prior to the season putting us 12th or 14th on their predicted ladder. Hell I wasn't sure whether we were a 4th or 15th placed side. However seeing that intensity Rd 1 suggests to me we have the hunger back and final with our squad should be a bare minimum.

Going in 2013 media personalities generated high expectations of season and there was reasonable assumption we would improve, how much was a better question. This board was more pessimistic. We certainly didn't expect quite such a poor season but after the NAB cup expectations were quickly tempered. Going into 2014 expecting us to finish bottom 4 or even bottom 6 was a massive underestimating of the quality of our side.
 
In fairness the post it seems you are referring to suggested that IF we were to be 4-0 (and thus having beaten Geelong away) we should, based on that form, be at least 8-1. There is nothing silly about that particular piece of logic. I haven't seen anyone suggest we SHOULD beat Geelong but I could be wrong.

Speculation about the future is just meaningless fun. Whether it be about the first 10 rounds or 2016...
Yeah, that was what I was getting at with the 8-1 comment. More of a poorly conceptualised attempt to demonstrate the difficulty of going 5-0.
 
By the way, I'm yet to be convinced that 2014 Geelong is the same Geelong we've seen most of the last few years ...

Like most teams we need a few more games to get a proper handle on where they are at. I'm relatively bullish on them still, but definitely not 100% sold. And the Dockers went a long way to denting their perceived Kardinia invulnerability.
 
He'd be far better off getting 80-90 minutes of WAFL.

With Hutchings - it probably depends on whether he could maintain running with his injury.

3 weeks isn't that long out if you keep your running and skills work up.

IF simmo think he is in our best 18 - then I don't see why he wouldn't come straight into the side. If he is deemed fringe - then sure, the WAFL seems the obvious spot.
 
With Hutchings - it probably depends on whether he could maintain running with his injury.

3 weeks isn't that long out if you keep your running and skills work up.

IF simmo think he is in our best 18 - then I don't see why he wouldn't come straight into the side. If he is deemed fringe - then sure, the WAFL seems the obvious spot.
I don't mind him coming in if Simmo sees him in our best team - not to where the green vest though.
 

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Hutchings will play better opposition in the WAFL anyway.

Seriously, if Melb get within 50 points I'd be pretty disappointed, games like this we need to smash it, get the % up over 250. This will no doubt help later in the year as this year will be a tight contest from 4th down to about 12th on the ladder and % will play a key.

Melb have no tall fwds, they will probably be without Watts and a few others, they could only score 6 goals against the SAINTS!

We really should pulverise them, much like we did last year.
 
Hutchings will play better opposition in the WAFL anyway.

Seriously, if Melb get within 50 points I'd be pretty disappointed, games like this we need to smash it, get the % up over 250. This will no doubt help later in the year as this year will be a tight contest from 4th down to about 12th on the ladder and % will play a key.

Melb have no tall fwds, they will probably be without Watts and a few others, they could only score 6 goals against the SAINTS!

We really should pulverise them, much like we did last year.

Watts played and will play this week but he seems to be playing more as a 3rd tall and Midfield.

I agree we need to punish them and it has to be around 70-90
 

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