Changes v Fremantle

[Longy413]

Not to many positives to come out of the Bendigo game yesterday.
Nash, Slattery and Hunt didn't play due to injury, so that rules those three out. Hille and Alvey were our best two, Wilson was very good but went off with an injury. Angus was fairly solid. Put a line through Reynolds, Richards...both were very average.

In - Hille, Alvey, Monfries, Watson
Out - Henneman, Bradley, Murphy, Thomas

Hille is a given. He was impressive yesterday without being outstanding. I don't think there was much in his report, however if he goes then Allan should come in.
Alvey has been playing solid football in the two's. I know everyone wants to see the kids get a run, but Alvey deserves a go. Must reward good form. He replaces Murphy in the wing/HF role. It would be interesting to see exactly what he can give us if he plays a full game on the ground.
Thomas works hard, he was solid on Sat night, but he just doesn't do it for me. Made a few mistakes and his first option is always to handball. Monfries works equally as hard, has all the courage in the world and is a class above Thomas.
I don't know whether to make anything of Watson's injury, I think it was more of a team balance thing. He would have been extremely handy in the last quarter when our blokes couldn't get near the footy.

 

[eastaugh36]

Not to many positives to come out of the Bendigo game yesterday.
Nash, Slattery and Hunt didn't play due to injury, so that rules those three out. Hille and Alvey were our best two, Wilson was very good but went off with an injury. Angus was fairly solid. Put a line through Reynolds, Richards...both were very average.

In - Hille, Alvey, Monfries, Watson
Out - Henneman, Bradley, Murphy, Thomas

Hille is a given. He was impressive yesterday without being outstanding. I don't think there was much in his report, however if he goes then Allan should come in.
Alvey has been playing solid football in the two's. I know everyone wants to see the kids get a run, but Alvey deserves a go. Must reward good form. He replaces Murphy in the wing/HF role. It would be interesting to see exactly what he can give us if he plays a full game on the ground.
Thomas works hard, he was solid on Sat night, but he just doesn't do it for me. Made a few mistakes and his first option is always to handball. Monfries works equally as hard, has all the courage in the world and is a class above Thomas.
I don't know whether to make anything of Watson's injury, I think it was more of a team balance thing. He would have been extremely handy in the last quarter when our blokes couldn't get near the footy.

FFS you are really starting to p*** me off with your constant bagging of Thomas! He went ok on the weekend and you haven't included Bullen or Bolton in your outs who had ordinary games. Lay off him and give him a chance.

 

[bomberbilly]

i was so dissapointed to see watson out of the lineup. hopefully he can get up this weekend. i agree with your changes longy.

 

[Longy413]

FFS you are really starting to p*** me off with your constant bagging of Thomas! He went ok on the weekend and you haven't included Bullen or Bolton in your outs who had ordinary games. Lay off him and give him a chance.

To be honest, I forgot Bullen, but I'd still play Dyson above him.

Thomas and Bolton aren't in competition for spots.
Bolton has had the better of Pavlich in the past and with Bradley more than likely to miss we may need Bolton to go back and play on Pavlich at some stage. As scary as that sounds, its fact. Paul Thomas isn't going to play on Matthew Pavlich, Bolton can.

Paul Thomas was certainly better than his first time around. But everything I said above was true. He was handball happy and made a few costly errors that in the end cost us a couple of goals. Sure, he wasn't the only one but when you lose a game by six points it all adds up.
Monfries and Alvey have had fantastic VFL form and deserve their position in the team. Someone has to make way and for me it is Thomas.

You could make reasons for other blokes to go. Bullen, Winderlich, Stanton, Bolton etc. But for me it is what they bring to the side.
You and your SA buddies keep telling me Thomas has great commitment, work ethic and is hard at it. That's great, but we have plenty of those types, Jason Johnson, McVeigh, Mark Johnson etc.
Mark Bolton can play tall or small, run all day and play on a bloke like Pavlich. That being said, if Bradley was fit, I'd have him gone.
Winderlich adds the pace we need, he needs game time to see whether or not he is up to it. At the moment he has show glimpses of it, but we need Jason Winderlich to be a player more than we need Paul Thomas.

If our team is -
Zantuck Fletcher Welsh
McPhee Bolton Lovett-Murray
Lovett J.Johnson Stanton
Alvey Lucas Rioli
McVeigh Lloyd Laycock
Hille Peverill M.Johnson

Monfries, Dyson, Winderlich, Watson

Tell me who's spot Paul Thomas will take and what he is going to bring to the team above and beyond the player he replaces.

 

[eastaugh36]

To be honest, I forgot Bullen, but I'd still play Dyson above him.

Thomas and Bolton aren't in competition for spots.
Bolton has had the better of Pavlich in the past and with Bradley more than likely to miss we may need Bolton to go back and play on Pavlich at some stage. As scary as that sounds, its fact. Paul Thomas isn't going to play on Matthew Pavlich, Bolton can.

Paul Thomas was certainly better than his first time around. But everything I said above was true. He was handball happy and made a few costly errors that in the end cost us a couple of goals. Sure, he wasn't the only one but when you lose a game by six points it all adds up.
Monfries and Alvey have had fantastic VFL form and deserve their position in the team. Someone has to make way and for me it is Thomas.

You could make reasons for other blokes to go. Bullen, Winderlich, Stanton, Bolton etc. But for me it is what they bring to the side.
You and your SA buddies keep telling me Thomas has great commitment, work ethic and is hard at it. That's great, but we have plenty of those types, Jason Johnson, McVeigh, Mark Johnson etc.
Mark Bolton can play tall or small, run all day and play on a bloke like Pavlich. That being said, if Bradley was fit, I'd have him gone.
Winderlich adds the pace we need, he needs game time to see whether or not he is up to it. At the moment he has show glimpses of it, but we need Jason Winderlich to be a player more than we need Paul Thomas.

If our team is -
Zantuck Fletcher Welsh
McPhee Bolton Lovett-Murray
Lovett J.Johnson Stanton
Alvey Lucas Rioli
McVeigh Lloyd Laycock
Hille Peverill M.Johnson

Monfries, Dyson, Winderlich, Watson

Tell me who's spot Paul Thomas will take and what he is going to bring to the team above and beyond the player he replaces.

Bullen isn't in that side and he was the one I had a problem with being in the side ahead of Thomas. But Alvey has had many chances and never performs in the big league. Monfries should be there and be left there for a few weeks at least. I am a big fan of him.

 

[Longy413]

Bullen isn't in that side and he was the one I had a problem with being in the side ahead of Thomas. But Alvey has had many chances and never performs in the big league. Monfries should be there and be left there for a few weeks at least. I am a big fan of him.

And with Bullen out, I'd still play Dyson ahead of Thomas (as I explained above).
Alvey has performed in the big league, just not in the red and black.
He has averaged upwards of 26 disposals in the VFL over the past 4 games and kicked goals as well.

Like I has said in the past, I wish Paul Thomas all the best and would love for him to make it. However I just don't see what he brings to the team ahead of a few of the others.

The only merit in playing Thomas (IMO) would be to play him on Farmer and release McVeigh or Mark Johnson. But the way Betts gave Thomas the run around in the WC for the short time he was on him I don't have the confidence in him to do it.

 

[rgauci]

No-one's rating Solomon a chance to return? Obviously i don't follow your team very closely but isn't he suppose to return from injury this week.

 

[Daytripper]

Thomas stays in. He did enough and you have to give the new players some reward.

In : Hille, Dyson, Watson, Monfries
Out : Henneman, Winderlich, Bradley, Bullen

Henno has been trying hard but if Hille's fit, he must come in.

Winderlich has had his chances. He had 2 kicks on Sat night (both resulted in turnovers) and he spent enough time on the ground to do more. I don't think he's up to the pace of AFL footy. Maybe he needs another off season in the weight room. But at the moment he's not good enough and to be frank, has never shown he's good enough.

Watson for Bradley. Straight swap basically. If Jobe's not fit, then we are in trouble. I guess they'll give Richards another go. Either way, one of these two will probably get the job on Pavlich and Watson may be better suited.

Monfries for Bullen. Purely due to the Swans curse. They tend to tire teams out the next week so need fresh legs in the mid-field.

PS : If Solomon is fit, then he returns in place of Watson/Richards.

 

[dominguez]

Assuming Fletcher plays full back on McPharlin, who is likely to play on Pavlich? Bolton? McPhee?

 

[Longy413]

Assuming Fletcher plays full back on McPharlin, who is likely to play on Pavlich? Bolton? McPhee?

Assuming McPharlin doesn't go back to cover one of Lloyd, Lucas, Watson or Laycock.
Fletcher wil play at Full-Back.
Zantuck and Bolton the options for Pavlich.
McVeigh, Welsh to take the Farmer, Medhurst combination.

 

[Darealrath]

In: Hille Alvey Watson
Out: Henno Murph Bradley

I suspect Winderlich will be dropped however.

 

[dodgyJim]

I don't know why you waste your time with threads like these.

We all sit here and talk junk about who should be dropped and then the coaching stuff turn around and drop, promote or leave in the wrong damn people each and every week.

Then the next week we come back and do it all again after bitching and moaning about the selection committee.

*yawn*

 

[Longy413]

I don't know why you waste your time with threads like these.

We all sit here and talk junk about who should be dropped and then the coaching stuff turn around and drop, promote or leave in the wrong damn people each and every week.

Then the next week we come back and do it all again after bitching and moaning about the selection committee.

*yawn*

It's a football discussion board.
We are discussing football.

 

[whirl]

and here I thought this was the kitchen utensil board hehe

I think Alvey should be rewarded for his form. I haven't been his biggest fan but I'd have him take Murphy's role in a flash. Uses it with polish and would have more desire and guts than Murph.

Like you Longy I would be very surprised if Hille went for that incident, just a marking contest imo. So out Henno.

Watson is a tough one. I was thinking he needed just one more game of VFL to be ready for senior football but now he's missed a week. Form and ability say yes though. so in for the likely injured Bradley.

I'd probably leave it for that at the minute.

Bullen and Bolton only a game away from dismissal, mainly surviving because of the number of injuries that have hit in the past couple of weeks. And Bolton because he's likely to take Pavlich - though I'd prefer if that was a midfield match up like in previous games - Bolton in defence does tend to worry me.

 

[marcuz]

Bullen and Bolton only a game away from dismissal, mainly surviving because of the number of injuries that have hit in the past couple of weeks. And Bolton because he's likely to take Pavlich - though I'd prefer if that was a midfield match up like in previous games - Bolton in defence does tend to worry me.

Thats what worries me, bolts has done well on pav but pav was a midfielder. Playing at CHF will give bolts nightmares. He isnt one for body contact and i reckon pav might be a bit quick for him on a lead too. Still we dont have much choice as the options are thin.

Id be happy with the team Longy picked.

 

[ManWithNoName]

In: Hille (if not suspended by VFL tribunal), Allan, Monfries, Watson.
Out: Henno, Bolts, Murphy, Winderlich.

 

[pazza]

Won't be much in the way of changes.

With Bradley injured, the dropped ones for me would be Murphy and Bullen.

I'll suggest that with Bradley out, Henneman will take CHB post on Pavlich and then Bolton would be free to continue to play on the wing.

Watson, Allan and Alvey are the inclusions.

Side:

B: Welsh, Fletcher, Zantuck
HB: McPhee, Henneman, Thomas
C: Bolton, Rioli, Stanton
HF: M. Johnson, Lucas, McVeigh
F: Lovett, Lloyd, Laycock
R: Allan, J. Johnson, Peverill
Int: Lovett-Murray, Watson, Alvey, Winderlich
Emerg: Monfries, Murphy, Bullen

 

[ManWithNoName]

I'll suggest that with Bradley out, Henneman will take CHB post on Pavlich.

Oh please god no

 

[Darealrath]

With Fletcher having to take McPharlin i think we'll have to play McPhee on Pavlich. Solomon might have been a good option if he was fit.

 

[rgauci]

From a fremantle perspective McPhee would be your best matchup for Pavlich. Slightly small but Pavlich doesn't usually use size as an advantage. Its his speed and endurance that are hard to match. It'll be interesting to see if Pavlich can cope with a slightly smaller defender that can run with him.

But making the move would also negate a lot of your rebound from the half backline. A question sheedy will be pondering all week.

 

[pazza]

With Fletcher having to take McPharlin i think we'll have to play McPhee on Pavlich. Solomon might have been a good option if he was fit.

They often send their back-up ruck down forward as well (either Johnson or Sandilands or Longmuir).

Where would that leave us?

 

[Disco Clarky]

Think that Thomas deserves another crack certainly ahead of guys like Winderlich (dont think he knows what the Sherrin looks like) and Alvey i sure as hell dont want him back in the side. Would rather play someone like Watson or Dyson.

The Pavlich match up certainly looks to be the tough one as weve usually done very well against their smaller forwards with Welsh taking Farmer and Mcveigh on Medhurst, my bet is if Welsh and Mcviegh can keep those 2 to around 4 goals between them then well win the game.

Think Bolton should get first crack at Pavlich, if he looks to be getting on top early then we need to make the change to Mcphee before things get out of hand, id just prefer Mcphee to roam and play on someone else if possible.

 

[Longy413]

I don't think they can afford to play McPharlin forward against us.
If they do then it will mean Grover will have to go to one of Lloyd or Lucas.
With Laycock/Hille and Watson as other forward options, I can't see how McPharlin could play forward.

That being said, if he does play forward then Fletcher, Zantuck and Bolton as the options down back and of course Lucas. I hear Kepler is still a chance of playing.

 

[eastaugh36]

Thomas stays in. He did enough and you have to give the new players some reward.

Agreed. Give the new ones a decent chance, instead of being in and out all the time. Realistically, it's not like we are going for a flag so we need to give players a go to see where they are at for future planning. Look what being in and out week after week has done to Richards career.

 

[rednugget]

Surely Kepler will play, I've had a bruised lung before & spewed up blood and played the next week without a problem at all, I even went out on the turps the night i did it. Not AFL I know but i would expect him to get up.