Changes vs Melbourne

[Timmy from Thomastown]

In Medhurst
Out Sidebottom

But only if Medders is 100% fit, if not he has another week off or plays VFL. Cloke needs to come through the VFL and regain some basics.

 

[Chase the Ace]

In: Medhurst (if fit)
Out: Toovey

 

[DaVe86]

Hmmm tough one. No doubt that every one of the 22 out there yesterday deserve their spot next week. And no doubt Cloke and Medhurst will be underdone.

But i think we saw that having Didak and Thomas back gave the team a real boost. 3 goals to Didak and Thomas' run have an impact. They both will be better for the run.

So I don't think we can seriously say that we don't need Medhust, because he was our leading goal kicker last year, and basically single handedly won us the game against Brisbane. It was that game he got injured, and look how badly we looked infront of goal since that game.


And to be honest Melbourne are a good team to welcome back some players because they are a poor team and we can run some players into form. I have little doubt that VFL teams are stronger than Melbourne. I am not saying this is a guarenteed win because Melbourne are playing ok, but they are not a good team.


Cloke is in the same boat. He needs form quickly and I think we still miss him. Can't drop Leigh Brown but.


Thought Cox was very good and probably holds his spot as well.


Toovey is perhaps the only 1 who i can see making way, but he has had a good fortnight i reckon. Maybe Sidebottom will be managed in his first year. Though I thought his 12 possessions were all of high quality, and he is not getting much gametime either.


But if both Medhurst and Cloke are available, unfortunately you have to find room, and it could be Cox, Toovey or Steele who miss.

 

[DaVe86]

Oh and we'll need 2 ruckmen against Melbourne. Jamar is back. He is not much, but he and Johnson and 2 beasts, so we can't afford to send Josh in alone against these 2, they will eventually monster him.

 

[copper_front_bottom]

Depth is a wonderful thing.

Surely though, we have to squeeze Medhurst in if he's fit; he's a matchwinner! Maybe Tooves has to make way for him (Tooves is usually the default omission anyway). Or perhaps Wellers has to make way. I know he played well, but on a couple of occasions he had shots at goal from the 50, and he missed them both. Maybe he needs to learn to nail these (as good as he was)?

Don't know if Cloke will be right this week, but he can't come back through the 2s. What a bout Beames? Played a blinder in the 2s and is obvioulsy too good for VFL. Maybe he comes in for SS, who was a little quitet tonight?

Tough gig being a selector this week.

You have got to be joking wanting to give wello a spell on the bench for missing a few goals...he was dominant last night, both helping out in defence, around the clearances and drifting up forward...he is looking more like an up and coming gun each week..

 

[Gopies 2002]

You see Didak has been in full training for a fortnight now, and also Medhurst has missed 4. He didn't join in any training last week.

If Medhurst is 100% ready then play him no doubt, if not give him another week, and then get some touch in the 2's which will be a luxury and bring him into the side for the round 12 clash against the swans. Surely you'd agree?

As for Didak, I just watched the last quarter. He was involved in a passage of play with about 3 minutes left where Clarke or Shaw I believe handballed over his head. Didak jumped and it looked awkward, this may be the instance referred to, but he was then involved in another 1 or 2 contests and moved fine. he also walked off the field without looking proppy so I believe we look safe there.

Nope - don't agree. Medhurst once fit comes straight in. We are not good enough to be bringing Meds in through the ressies and he hasn't been out long enough to need it to find touch.

 

[Scodog10]

in: Medhurst
out: Toovey

In order to get team balance right we move Dale Thomas into defence. He's able to do a shutdown role like he did against Drummond earlier this year as well as provide us more run off the half backline than Toovey. Also whilst i was pleased with Brown's game last night don't get to carried away with it! Ask any Kangas supporter and they'll tell you that he is capable of those type of games his problem has always been that his next month was almost always terrible. So if Cloke is fit i would still consider dropping Brown for him.

 

[DaVe86]

in: Medhurst
out: Toovey

In order to get team balance right we move Dale Thomas into defence. He's able to do a shutdown role like he did against Drummond earlier this year as well as provide us more run off the half backline than Toovey. Also whilst i was pleased with Brown's game last night don't get to carried away with it! Ask any Kangas supporter and they'll tell you that he is capable of those type of games his problem has always been that his next month was almost always terrible. So if Cloke is fit i would still consider dropping Brown for him.

That's the change i would be making, but i don't agree with your reasoning.


Yes Dale did a shut down role against Drummond...but that was as a forward. That allowed Dale to stop Drummond by making DRUMMOND accountbale. Ulitmately, Drummond is a defender, so all Dale did was force him to defend.

Much easier to shut down a defensive playmaker than a forward flanker in front of goals. I think Dale will be exploited by small forwards. Toovey is a much better small defender and is much tighter...and is a good spoiler and better tackler.

I still want to find room for Toovey, but with Medhurst coming back i say we go pro-active and get our best attacking team in there. Ultimately most of our defending happens in the midfield where we shut the game down and get numbers around the ball.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

I'm going to say that we go in unchanged.

Give Medhurst and Cloke another weeks rest and then play them in the 2's during our week off ready for a return in round 12.

 

[Sloth]

Swan out with leather poisoning
Seriously, can anyone remember any Pie getting more possessions in a game?

 

[TheClokes]

B: Shaw - Prestigiacomo - Maxwell
HB: Clarke - N. Brown - O'Brien
C: Lockyer - Swan - Wellingham
HF: Didak - L. Brown - Thomas
F: Dick - Cloke - Anthony
FL: Fraser - Pendlebury - Davis
INT: Sidebottom - O'Bree - Toovey - Wood​

 

[Skade]

No way....... I must admit it looked bad at the match.... but when I watched the replay at home, sidey hit him on the shoulder..... The umpire even said in the side and he didnt even pay a free kick, so in my opinion wont even get looked at.... Steele Sidebottom what a bad a$$!

It looked like his hip hit his shoulder but Rusty's thigh hit the side of his head. They'll defiantly look at it.

 

[Dez!]

Swan out with leather poisoning
Seriously, can anyone remember any Pie getting more possessions in a game?

Well with them saying he broke the official record for most possessions, I'd say no.



For us it looks like Robertson and Newton are the most likely to come back in after solid performances for Casey.

Cheney should be included as well after a great performance for Casey.

McDonald may miss after an injury to his leg, not sure though because he finished out the game.

In: Robertson, Newton and Cheney (Depending on McDonald's fitness)

Out: Miller, McDonald and somebody I'm not sure of yet.

Also I wouldn't underestimate Jamar, he was actually exceptional in the ruck against King and Gardiner and he did end up slaughtering them with 29 hitouts to their combined total of 20. Sure Fraser will beat him around the ground but PJ may be able to match him around the ground, hopefully this week though he can hit a damn target.

 

[DoubleO7]

Also I wouldn't underestimate Jamar, he was actually exceptional in the ruck against King and Gardiner and he did end up slaughtering them with 29 hitouts to their combined total of 20. Sure Fraser will beat him around the ground but PJ may be able to match him around the ground, hopefully this week though he can hit a damn target.

Don't hold your breath.

Josh Fraser and Cameron Wood won a combined total of 37 hitouts to Brendan Lade and Dean Brogan's total tally of 26 hitouts.

 

[Dez!]

Don't hold your breath.

Josh Fraser and Cameron Wood won a combined total of 37 hitouts to Brendan Lade and Dean Brogan's total tally of 26 hitouts.

I'm not, my point was that PJ and Jamar aren't as bad as people make them out to be. They are actually a formidable ruck duo, not exceptional but they aren't exactly pushovers either.

Against St Kilda on Saturday night Jamar and PJ had a combined total of 38 hitouts (29 Jamar 9 Johnson) to King and Gardiner's 20 (13 Gardiner 7 King). Also Johnson's 21 possessions and Jamar's 11 possessions to Gardiner's 7 possessions and King's 10 possessions.

I'm not trying to pump up their tyres, although I know it doesn't look that way but I'm just trying to point out that they aren't as useless as you may think.

 

[Territory Magpie]

You have got to be joking wanting to give wello a spell on the bench for missing a few goals...he was dominant last night, both helping out in defence, around the clearances and drifting up forward...he is looking more like an up and coming gun each week..

Fair call, Copper. Perhaps I was a bit harsh in suggesting Wellers. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and I'm rapt he played well, but I just feel that he might be considered as an omission by the match committee, because he needs to capitalise on his goal-scoring opportunities. It would be harsh, I agree (and I think I acknowledged as much in original post).

Wouldn't really want to see the other candidates in Cox or Tooves go, however. Cox gives us rebounding drive from the backline/wing and Tooves has been really effective in the past couple.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Sidebottom only had 12 touches but it was his best game so far. First time I've walked away from a game thinking 'this kid will be a star'.

He would be super-stiff to be dropped.

 

[DaVe86]

Sidebottom only had 12 touches but it was his best game so far. First time I've walked away from a game thinking 'this kid will be a star'.

He would be super-stiff to be dropped.

You could say that Steele's 12 possessions were more influential than Swan's first 28. Swan's next 20 were much better, but he was a tad sloppy early. Steele made the most of every one of his 12 touches, and kicked an awesome goal.

Yet again had 4 tackles. By memory, he hasn't had less than 4 tackles in any game to date. That is with very limited gametime. Once he is playing 75%+ of games, he'll be taking 8+ tackles a match.

 

[didaka]

At present we have Cox, Toovey, Maxwell, O'Brien, Shaw and Clarke that can all play on medium and small types in defence with Brown and Presti at key posts. So that's 6 versatile defenders.

Maybe we can afford to drop 1 if Medhurst comes back in.

Shaw is obviously our most attacking player so you wouldn't want him doing a defensive job. Clarke can also play deepish but attacks well as does Cox who actually was pretty good 1 on 1 yesterday.

Then you have O'Brien who always does his job regardless of what it is, and Maxwell who can play a few different roles.

Melbourne's most damaging forwards at the moment are Sylvia who I would play Maxwell on. You have Miller who is really their only tall, he gets Presti.

If Robo comes back we have O'Brien for him, and Maric looks dangerous, he is the player who get the remaining defender. Other than that they don't have many dangerous forwards, so if Medhurst is to return you either replace Cox or Toovey at a guess due to slim options in melbourne's forward line.

Cox is better with the footy in his hand than Toovey and when on his game he is a pretty good type.

So with all that in mind my replacement would be Medhurst for Toovey which is probably undeserved because he has been ok of late.

But once again only if Medhurst is 100% ready. That means a strong week on the track.

 

[maric_19]

I am very happy we won against Port.
One would think that we should pulverise Melbourne this week,but we must also tread carefully,and we must be on our game this week becuase from all reports Melbourne will throw everything at us.
Don't know if any one read a report in the herald sun last week,i can't remember the Journo that wrote it but he said,that Melbourne plan to beat Collingwood?
Because even if they lose to other clubs,they use that build up to throw everything at Collingwood.Why ?
The DEES feel that the collingwood games attract their biggest crowds and plus the TV coverage on Queens birthday allows them the biggest audience of the year ,so they have to put on a big show for their supporters and drive memberships.No other club allows them this much exposure,that's why according to this article we must be very weary of the dees this week.With JACK WATTS being touted to debut,Roberston,and Miller up forward with bate,wonermeri,silvia,Davey up forward they could cause us some unnecessary head aches.

Hasnt played all year...still out for another 5 weeks. I agree that you guys should not take this game lightly. although we have only won one game we have been improving every week and will throw everything we have at you.

also, thoughts on davey? do you think you will let him run free or he will get close attention?

 

[shawthing09]

Hasnt played all year...still out for another 5 weeks. I agree that you guys should not take this game lightly. although we have only won one game we have been improving every week and will throw everything we have at you.

also, thoughts on davey? do you think you will let him run free or he will get close attention?

IIRC he was tagged earlier in the year. Toovey might go to him.

 

[mdc]

Sidebottom only had 12 touches but it was his best game so far. First time I've walked away from a game thinking 'this kid will be a star'.

He would be super-stiff to be dropped.

Agree with all of that.

Was definitely his best game imo - he looked more like a crafty veteran out there than a rookie, despite the low possession count.

 

[DaveyWavey]

does anyone know of a torrent where i can download collingwood matches?

 

[iGNITER]

If Medhurst and Cloke are fit they are in.
We need to play our best 22 available weekly and Melbourne have caused us headaches on previous Queens Birthday matches.

INS: Medhurst, Cloke
OUTS: Toovey, Cox

B: Maxwell Presti O'Brien
HB: Shaw Brown Clarke
C: Thomas Swan Wellingham
HF: Didak Cloke L.Brown
F: Dick Anthony Medhurst
R: Fraser Davis Pendlebury
INT: Lockyer O'Bree Wood Sidebottom

Would really like to see McCarthy come back into the side if he is ready as well but i dont know who i would drop to make way for him.

 

[wicksy]

Now i hate Leigh Brown .....

Geez, what he ever do to you!!??