Prediction Changes vs WCE ~ Round 3 2019

[caloschwaby]

I rewatched the game this morning. Aish literally had 5 direct turnovers by foot in the second half. Our worst by an absolute mile.

Watched this with my own eyes. Hear hear, absolutely woeful.

 

[Scodog10]

That's no good for Coxy, Goldsack in? How did Goldy look yesterday?

There’d be multiple options if Cox doesn’t challenge. First is Goldsack straight up. Second is Goldsack in and we shuffle Roughead forward. Third is Lynch straight up.

Club will most likely go Goldsack and leave the structure as is, but now would be an ideal opportunity to take a look at Lynch if his form has held up since the Melbourne praccy match. I’d challenge though on the basis of contact Grimes played the game out and was obviously fit enough to go whack Elliott 30 seconds later. Insufficient force given it was a body check.

 

[unplugged]

If Cox doesn't get off...

Out: Cox (susp)

In: CROCKERRRR

 

[haydenboii]

Who does Greenwood go on next week? Did a terrific job on Martin last night. Shuey, Yeo, Sheed?

 

[Scodog10]

Who does Greenwood go on next week? Did a terrific job on Martin last night. Shuey, Yeo, Sheed?

Sheed he’s on

Steele’s the one that needs to step up on our side. Slow start to the year and Hutchins did nasty things to him on GF day!

 

[wicksy]

If Cox doesn't get off...

Out: Cox (susp)

In: CROCKERRRR

die

 

[loki04]

Who does Greenwood go on next week? Did a terrific job on Martin last night. Shuey, Yeo, Sheed?

Yeah Greenwood was excellent, amazing what adding even 1 player with some cnut to the team does to the players around him.

 

[Aussie pie]

Out: Cox
In: Lynch
I’d like to see that but they’ll bring in Goldy.
On what they did last year I’m tipping no Lynch however he keeps the structures the same. 2nd ruck option, makes the weagles tall backs responsible for someone otherwise they’ll go second up and double team out smaller forwards. Their backs are too good at that as we very well know. Lynch at least will compete and bring it to ground.
I’ll lose my if they bring shocker in. (Crocker)

 

[yOssarianLives]

Last night he kicked 2 goals and had 17 touches. From a small forward that is elite. Stevo is going nowhere.

Perhaps you missed the point I was making.

 

[good4footy]

There’d be multiple options if Cox doesn’t challenge. First is Goldsack straight up. Second is Goldsack in and we shuffle Roughead forward. Third is Lynch straight up.

Club will most likely go Goldsack and leave the structure as is, but now would be an ideal opportunity to take a look at Lynch if his form has held up since the Melbourne praccy match. I’d challenge though on the basis of contact Grimes played the game out and was obviously fit enough to go whack Elliott 30 seconds later. Insufficient force given it was a body check.

Contact is already at low. We need to challenge it wasn't high but the body. Like you i think it was a body check. Only way on that vision that it can be deemed as high is if Grimes said it was.

 

[loki04]

Watched this with my own eyes. Hear hear, absolutely woeful.

He needs to be more assertive with the ball and have the balls to ignore superstar senior team mates who aren't on despite them calling for it, like his 25m kick to Beams that was easily spoiled and turned over. The kick was never on.

 

[Scodog10]

Contact is already at low. We need to challenge it wasn't high but the body. Like you i think it was a body check. Only way on that vision that it can be deemed as high is if Grimes said it was.

Because it was assessed as rough conduct I assumed low was the assessment as well.

This will be divisive, but I wouldn’t bother with the contact personally. Cox is almost 20cm taller so I think the footage is lying to some degree and it’s almost certain that contact of some description was made to the head. If the club choose that path I’ll look on eagerly it’s just not the one I would take.

For me that only leaves contact being of insufficient force and whilst Grimes stayed down for 10-15 seconds I think we can all agree on the assessment that it was a bodycheck which still should be aloud in the game and shouldn’t warrant a suspension, IMO. The footy purist in me says it’s bullshit, but the black and white MRO in me says Chrisso assessed it correctly and the rules are shit.

 

[unplugged]

Actually I'm all for a Lynch debut if Cox remains suspended. Would be a good way for him to debut. Not like he'd be in a situation where he has the pressure of covering Grundy as main ruck.

 

[nahnah]

Lynch is the logical in if the suspension somehow stands

 

[loki04]

I haven't been following VFL this year but has Lynch done ANY work up forward and to what success?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Yeah Greenwood was excellent amazing what adding even 1 player with some cnut to the team does to the players around him.

Cnut? Is that some sort of Scandinavian thing?

 

[loki04]

Because it was assessed as rough conduct I assumed low was the assessment as well.

This will be divisive, but I wouldn’t bother with the contact personally. Cox is almost 20cm taller so I think the footage is lying to some degree and it’s almost certain that contact of some description was made to the head. If the club choose that path I’ll look on eagerly it’s just not the one I would take.

For me that only leaves contact being of insufficient force and whilst Grimes stayed down for 10-15 seconds I think we can all agree on the assessment that it was a bodycheck which still should be aloud in the game and shouldn’t warrant a suspension, IMO. The footy purist in me says it’s bullshit, but the black and white MRO in me says Chrisso assessed it correctly and the rules are shit.

What you say is largely correct in that the rules outlaid are whats wrong and likely what hamstrung chrisso/mrp, I do scratch my head similarly with the Grimes one though how can both incidents be judged the same penalty? Clearly the points for intent dont hold much weight.

He makes contact with the tip of Grimes chin and top point of Coxs shoulder. But it was innocuous and accidental, more the angle.

 

[loki04]

Cnut? Is that some sort of Scandinavian thing?

It's scrambled.

It is sometimes used in place of mate and mate can some times be used as it. Quite interchangeable on how you say them both. You can be a mate, or you can be a MATE! or even a Maaaaattteee.

 

[Scodog10]

What you say is largely correct in that the rules outlaid are whats wrong and likely what hamstrung chrisso/mrp, I do scratch my head similarly with the Grimes one though how can both incidents be judged the same penalty? Clearly the points for intent dont hold much weight.

He makes contact with the tip of Grimes chin and top point of Coxs shoulder. But it was innocuous and accidental, more the angle.

My understanding is the classification of striking v rough conduct is the reason for the difference and striking is considered a lesser offense.

That’s the contact I see too. For me the smarter argument is to acknowledge that contact was made to the head and argue it was insufficient to warrant a charge. I think if you challenge the contact on the basis of head v body and the official sees it our way your arguments dead in the water.

The biggest issue I have is that no matter where the bulk of the contact is made as soon as any contact is made to the head that’s the assessment. I don’t agree with that. For me it should be graded intentional-low-body, but the rules say otherwise...

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Stephenson didn’t have his best game.
He seems to lack the same impact he had last year.

I would love to see him play deep forward, and outrun any defender back to goal.

He gets a little bit lost when he plays higher up the ground.

He was better than last week. I'd let him run himself into form.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

It's scrambled.

It is sometimes used in place of mate and mate can some times be used as it. Quite interchangeable on how you say them both. You can be a mate, or you can be a MATE! or even a Maaaaattteee.

Even campaigner

 

[loki04]

Even campaigner

You sometimes call your friends campaigners (the word)? I do believe in the cities the "C" word is largely voodoo and frowned upon in all forms/uses, where as in the bush it is part of the vernacular and offence is only taken when it's used offensively ie the tone. Although there is a time and place it is used or not used.

Whats going on c..t?
Whats going on campaigner?

Hmm, nah dont work doesn't roll off the tongue as well. lmao


Campaigner to me is more w_nk_r and f-w!t.

 

[Gone Critical]

If it were up to me, I'd be dropping Phillips for Sier. Phillips is like a physically weaker, less skilled Sidebottom. There's no need for him to be in the team. At all.

Most likely though we won't be making any changes.

Disagree

Best gut runner in the team, led us in metres gained in 2018 and leading 2019. Strong overhead can take contested marks, 15 goals from a wing in 18. 90% gametime
frees rotations. Disposal numbers good. He is not perfect but after 50 games he is a really settled player and worth persisting with.

Sier I do want in when he is ready but Phillips and Sidey gutrunning the wings isn’t completion for the bear.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

You sometimes call your friends campaigners (the word)? I do believe in the cities the "C" word is largely voodoo and frowned upon in all forms/uses, where as in the bush it is part of the vernacular and offence is only taken when it's used offensively ie the tone. Although there is a time and place it is used or not used.

Whats going on c..t?
Whats going on campaigner?

Hmm, nah dont work doesn't roll off the tongue as well. lmao


Campaigner to me is more w_nk_r and f-w!t.

Good explanation.

So it is Scandinavian salted fish, marinated fish, like herrings.

If you’ve had herrings before it’s delicious. Very tasty.

 

[sirlothie]

You sometimes call your friends campaigners (the word)? I do believe in the cities the "C" word is largely voodoo and frowned upon in all forms/uses, where as in the bush it is part of the vernacular and offence is only taken when it's used offensively ie the tone. Although there is a time and place it is used or not used.

Whats going on c..t?
Whats going on campaigner?

Hmm, nah dont work doesn't roll off the tongue as well. lmao


Campaigner to me is more w_nk_r and f-w!t.

Sup campaigner is very friendly.