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Originally posted by -PC28-
FFS - His problem is with HOW (being the action) Murphy expressed himself, not WHAT (being his opinion) Murphy said.

It's not that hard to understand.

There's a entire thread on this, yet people still don't get it.
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Now i get it. I thought it was about the club supporting an action that supported an anti-war stance when not all of the members felt this way. But really it was about Robert Murphy writing the slogan on his bare arm and americans having the right to bear arms - i think.
 
As the initiator of this thread I'm responding again. I tried to be diplomatic the first time but now I'm speaking my mind.
Chicago not renewing is your choice. Making a mucho "American like" stance and getting paper time which it doesn't deserve annoyed me and most likely a lot of loyal doggie supporters. When I read the article all I could think of was loud mouth US Marine General talking there sh*t like "The dagger is nearly ready to pierce the heart". "We will not stop until the job is done" "The enemies is weak".
Not everybody agrees to the war. If you do fine, it Murphy and the club offended you, fine, don't renew, but don't beat your chest to the newspaper like a typically loud and proud "big talking" American.

If you don't want to renew, stuff you we don't need supporters like you.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Walker
Now i get it. I thought it was about the club supporting an action that supported an anti-war stance when not all of the members felt this way. But really it was about Robert Murphy writing the slogan on his bare arm and americans having the right to bear arms - i think.
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As much as i think your post is **** take, it made me realise that point was not clearly made.

The HOW is using a club publication, wearing club colours whilst doing it. He used the club as a forum for his view, and that is what Chicago has the problem with.
 

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Originally posted by -PC28-
FFS - His problem is with HOW (being the action) Murphy expressed himself, not WHAT (being his opinion) Murphy said.

It's not that hard to understand.

There's a entire thread on this, yet people still don't get it.
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PC

Just stumbled across this issue. Where is the thread where Chicago explains his position?

thanks
 
Originally posted by LondonBulldog
As the initiator of this thread I'm responding again. I tried to be diplomatic the first time but now I'm speaking my mind.
Chicago not renewing is your choice. Making a mucho "American like" stance and getting paper time which it doesn't deserve annoyed me and most likely a lot of loyal doggie supporters. When I read the article all I could think of was loud mouth US Marine General talking there sh*t like "The dagger is nearly ready to pierce the heart". "We will not stop until the job is done" "The enemies is weak".
Not everybody agrees to the war. If you do fine, it Murphy and the club offended you, fine, don't renew, but don't beat your chest to the newspaper like a typically loud and proud "big talking" American.

If you don't want to renew, stuff you we don't need supporters like you.
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I've kept from giving my opinion for a better part of the exsistance of this thread, but Chicago's choice not to renew his membership, for WHATEVER reason should prompt any of you to slander, swear or abuse him.

He's not the first not to renew, he won't be the last, however much his reason annoys you, it is by no means a signal to open up with the abuse.
 
Originally posted by LondonBulldog
As the initiator of this thread I'm responding again. I tried to be diplomatic the first time but now I'm speaking my mind.
Chicago not renewing is your choice. Making a mucho "American like" stance and getting paper time which it doesn't deserve annoyed me and most likely a lot of loyal doggie supporters. When I read the article all I could think of was loud mouth US Marine General talking there sh*t like "The dagger is nearly ready to pierce the heart". "We will not stop until the job is done" "The enemies is weak".
Not everybody agrees to the war. If you do fine, it Murphy and the club offended you, fine, don't renew, but don't beat your chest to the newspaper like a typically loud and proud "big talking" American.

If you don't want to renew, stuff you we don't need supporters like you.
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Just a note, Chicago has never said he is for the war

To disagree with Chicago's actions is one thing.

Turning it into something that has to do with his nationality (you are not the first to do this) is just plain bigotry.
 
Originally posted by -PC28-
FFS - His problem is with HOW (being the action) Murphy expressed himself, not WHAT (being his opinion) Murphy said.

It's not that hard to understand.

There's a entire thread on this, yet people still don't get it.
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Whatever, I have no idea what you are on about except that Chicago is obviously a nice guy.
I think the majority if Posters in this Forum agree with me and say

F@%& HIM
 
Its a very interesting issue.

I think Chicago is right in as much as the Club shouldn't allow political statements to be made in the clubs own time.


However, things must be kept in prespective in my view.

It was a minor matter and really I can't see what the Club could have done about it.

Chicago is quite entitled to not renew his membership as that is his choice.

I can't see why such a big deal has to be made of it though.

Going to the newspaper was probably unecessary.


Does anyone know why the Club didnt respond to Chicago's e-mails though. Seems wierd,

I know the AFC will answer any query almost straight away.


Anyway - live and let live I say.

Chicago - be dissapointed sure - express your opinion sure - but don't give up your membership

Surely one incident shouldn't have such a drastic effect.

My two pence worth - FWIW.
 
Originally posted by SCRAY72
Whatever, I have no idea what you are on about except that Chicago is obviously a nice guy.
I think the majority if Posters in this Forum agree with me and say

F@%& HIM
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yep
Go Dogs Good on ya Murph!
 
I just read the other thread, as well as this one on the matter. I saw the article in the paper at the time and thought the person the article was about was obviously an attention seeker, and the threads have not disappointed.

It was a very, very minor incident, which your club may not have even noticed. The fact you took such offence to someone advocating peace, as many others have done i.e. SA cricketers, actors at awards ceremonies etc, especially at such a small sign is in my opinion disgraceful.

You say you have your right to protest, so what, you can do it but Murphy can't? The Bulldogs obviously need more members, and I'm almost tempted to buy one myself after reading about your 'protest' claiming you do it so the club will listen, how can it listen if it doesn't exist, did you think about that?
 

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This is all a huge shame.



Murph has an entitlement to free speech and I will support to the death his right to use it, it is one of the things we are over there fighting for if I recall correctly. Any bid to stop him using his right to free speech is facism by any other name. Next we will be burning books that we dont agree with. When reasonable people like C1 are taking positions like this then the situation is completly out of control.



Go Doggies.
Go Murph.
 
Local,

Do you think we should be able to say ANYTHING given ANY circumstances?

Didn't you close some threads on this board one time?
 
Originally posted by sigscotty
Local,

Do you think we should be able to say ANYTHING given ANY circumstances?

Didn't you close some threads on this board one time?
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If it is a personal opinion then yes poeple should be able to say what is on their mind. I draw the line at personal abuse and swearing that is the only time I move threads/posts.
 
Originally posted by Jars458


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Does anyone know why the Club didnt respond to Chicago's e-mails though. Seems wierd,

I know the AFC will answer any query almost straight away.
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you've hit an important point Jars. I reckon the club didn't relpy because either:
a) they didnt get the emails because their internal 'systems' are useless and they went off to cyber-nowhere or
b) some lower level type-person got it and went "ooh thats way too hard" and just ignored it.


whatever the reson for it not being replied too it meant that Chicago's initial concern/distress was not addressed, he got mad and one thing let to another and before you knew it we had this mountain from a mole hill.

Our club spends a lot of time recruiting members. Each year we have this same drive about getting members. It appears to me the problem is though once we get them we don't look after them and consequently lose, say 10%, at the end of each season.

As for the other issues, of which this is the 11th or 12th page of posts on, I can understand Chicago's point. Even though I agree with Murph's political point of view where would it stop? Every player displaying their own political opinions whenever they played or appeared for the media? On the other hand if the club had suppressed it by "airbrushing" the tatoo out of the poster they would have been accused of all sorts of things - the sort of things that have been discussed on this board. Once Murph wrote the slogan on his arm the club was damned if they did and damned if they did not.

I wish Chicago hadn't chucked in his membership because of it though but I think that was caused by the club not listening to him - not by Murph's tattoo. Chicago going to the media now is the only way he could get the club to hear what he was saying.
 
Originally posted by localyokel
If it is a personal opinion then yes poeple should be able to say what is on their mind.
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Nobody has said they want to stop anybody saying anything. It is the where that is the problem. You think it is ok to draw the line at abuse on a net forum, but that drawing the line at political comments on official club merchandise is 'completely out of control'? Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

Even though I agree with Murph's political point of view where would it stop? Every player displaying their own political opinions whenever they played or appeared for the media? I wish Chicago hadn't chucked in his membership because of it though but I think that was caused by the club not listening to him - not by Murph's tattoo. Chicago going to the media now is the only way he could get the club to hear what he was saying.
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Exactly.
 
Originally posted by sigscotty
Nobody has said they want to stop anybody saying anything. It is the where that is the problem. You think it is ok to draw the line at abuse on a net forum, but that drawing the line at political comments on official club merchandise is 'completely out of control'? Doesn't seem very consistent to me.
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Whether an opinion is political (and I would argue that 'no war' is not a political statement) or not doesnt matter. It is a free speech issue and we all have a right to free speech. It being picked up on club merchandising is a moot point.

Should the news networks have blanked out all the anti-war slogans that went to air on their news services?
 

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Everyone has noticed murph, but have a good hard look at the club poster and look closely at browny and birssy, and see if you notice anything.
 
Originally posted by mel 40
Everyone has noticed murph, but have a good hard look at the club poster and look closely at browny and birssy, and see if you notice anything.
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Hmmm.....interesting. What political statement do you think they are trying to make?:D
 
Originally posted by -PC28-
FFS - His problem is with HOW (being the action) Murphy expressed himself, not WHAT (being his opinion) Murphy said.

It's not that hard to understand.

There's a entire thread on this, yet people still don't get it.
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Probably because it is so hard to believe....i don't think many people buy it. People don't always tell the truth or the full story...so we have to make assumptions...sometimes unfair ones. While some of us have met him and are naturally more sympathetic (and less abusive), others haven't. Obviously you have gotten to know him a fair bit and it is not a huge leap to say that you trust him more than people who haven't.

I understand it must be frustrating being so far away and having several emails ignored would be even more frustrating. I don't mean to make the situation seem insignificant but how can someone that has been a member of the club for 25 years, not be a member for a year just because of how a player expressed himself. Surely a player or the club has made a bigger mistake. It just seems that something more is going on here.
 
Originally posted by localyokel
It being picked up on club merchandising is a moot point.

Should the news networks have blanked out all the anti-war slogans that went to air on their news services?
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I would love to hear why you think its not a poilitcal statement.

Why is it a moot point that it is on the merchandise local? Just saying it is isn't actually enough to convince me. How can you say that is a moot point in that circumstance but defend your own censoring of threads on this board (free speech for only those who are willing to use the words you are ok with hey?)

News networks are the equivalent to a footy club? Not even close to being a good example. The only way your example would come close to working is if it was CNN's staff photo in question. What you say is more akin to a Bulldog supporter (in club colours) in the crowd having an anti war slogan, which i have no problem with.

Please stop telling us we all have a right to free speech, nobody is arguing otherwise.
 

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