Roast Chris Mayne Why?

[Baird]

1.1 million dollars devoted to these two. Atrocious list management.

I'll be genuinely surprised if Wells plays more than 15 games as a Collingwood player. And Mayne, well you know what you're gonna get with him.

 

[BPikkers]

I think it's fairly well accepted that Gubby Allan is the one responsible for Mayne and Wells. In fact, Allan was brought back even though Bucks wanted to keep working with Balme. That is, he was brought back by Eddie. So this isn't really Buckley's fault.

I think this is spot on. The major issue here is Allan and those responsible for bringing him into the club when there was obviously a question mark over him. Unfortunately, Allan can't face the music now that he has left the building. He came, did his damage to the club, and was gone before the season even started.

Pert needs to go because Eddie still has credits.

I just wonder if our overall recruiting cane be a little sharper. To see us pick up Mayne and Wells (who I think can add IF he gets in the park), but not look outside the box and miss having someone like Mitchell at the club is ordinary.

Having said all this, I do think we are a better team than last year. When the forward line clicks, I honestly believe we can beat anybody.

 

[Damon_3388]

How much of what we paid for these guys is us actually "rating them" as being worth that amount, and how much is to do with having a young squad with big contracts coming off the books this past off-season and having to meet minimum TPP?

 

[Vicky Park]

It's all but confirmed, Freos doesn't qualify for Band 2 compo unless Mayne is on 500k plus. The media are leaked this kind of info all the time and have been running with it from day dot.

It is also confirmed it is 4 year contract.

I can kinda see why they took a gamble on Wells he adds a lot of what we lack in pace creativity and excellent kicking skills. Just a matter of keeping his injuries under check.

OK, but I've been told by another poster that his salary is nowhere near this figure, over the four years.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I have woken up a little negative VP, but last nights game highlighted how poor the standard was of thurs night for mine
cameto the conclusion that we are simply a sub average skilled squad who will be consigned to mid table mediocrity unless we embrace dramatic change
Happy to hear where you see it differently
We should be sleeping in on a sat mornign

The one thing I would question is your trading potentially? De Goey?
I think he should be off limits, as I see him as our Swan replacement. Have to have those sorts.

Most of our troubles are simply accuracy. How that's cured goodness knows?

Wells as free agent I'm in no doubt if he plays, he's silk. Free agent so not fussed on him.
Mayne well that whole thing is questionable but he's with us now, thanks Gubby on that one.

Interesting times.

Our only hope is to keep,investing in our younger ones and hope they come through as better than what's on show. Plus the ones showing a lot already, so it's not hopeless.
The great issue is if she sides other than us advance their lists above ours. The AFL Giants are building and building.

So we depend on: De Goey, Moore, Maynard, Grundy (he's getting there anyway), Treloar, Adams, Scharenberg, Elliot, Hoskin-Elliot, Fasolo, Howe. Then McLarty, Daicos, Kirby, Brown.....
And Sier what of him? Is he a complete bust. We just might think so but might not be so?

I just can't be defeatist.
we can just throw in the towel and rightly whinge, or say, let's stay the course invest in the list, keep turning over until the list is more elite.
17 other sides are essentially doing the same thing.

No magic pudding, no magic cure, just hard work, patience, and List building.

ps I get in 50 years time it will still be essentially the same, the better lists will win more flags

That's the nature and beauty of sport

 

[barrackers]

It's all but confirmed, Freos doesn't qualify for Band 2 compo unless Mayne is on 500k plus. The media are leaked this kind of info all the time and have been running with it from day dot.

It is also confirmed it is 4 year contract.

I can kinda see why they took a gamble on Wells he adds a lot of what we lack in pace creativity and excellent kicking skills. Just a matter of keeping his injuries under check.

I haven't read that a flat 500k is the trigger for band 2 compo, rather I thought the formula was based on where they sat in comparison to other players in the comp as a percentage of wage earners, which is a moving line as each new contract is signed.

Free agency compo criteria explained
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...-to-earn-firstround-free-agency-compensation-

Basically:
The AFL lists the salary of all players over 25 and works out where the new contract places the free agent

Top 5% - First round compo
5-15% - End first round compo
15-30% - Second round compo
30-50% - End second round compo

 

[Saintly Viewed]

OK, but I've been told by another poster that his salary is nowhere near this figure, over the four years.

The more the "figures" are stated the more "real" they become.
Does not make it so.
But I've always worried less what players get (front loading and back loading etc means clubs can adjust their caps anyway between 95 to 105%) but are they clear best 22 types.

Not sure why people are fixated but unless we know what all players are on, it's a moot point. It's just discussion and opinion based on nothing but preconceived biased positions of the said player.

 

[loki04]

OK, but I've been told by another poster that his salary is nowhere near this figure, over the four years.

At the very least he is on 500k for the first two years as there are rules in regards to payments of year 1 matching year 2 to stop clubs offering silly amounts to poach players for them to be paid potatoes the following season.

Like Danger if Geelong wanted to offer him 1.2 mil to stop Adel from matching due to cap pressure they had to fit the 1.2mil in the 2nd year also.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d/news-story/e46a7d0721a049ee0cbdba1a4c6184fa

Dangerfield’s worth at Geelong is believed to be about $800,000 a season, in-line with captain Joel Selwood and spearhead Tom Hawkins.

But if the Cats offered Dangerfield $800,000 a season, there is considerable prospect Adelaide could match the restricted free agency offer, forcing the Cats into an ugly trade period stoush.

But it has emerged that Geelong’s free agency offer could be a two-year deal worth $1.2 million a season, in an attempt to stretch the Crows’ salary cap and make it more difficult for them to match the Cats’ offer.

Front-ending Dangerfield’s offer in this way would make him one of the AFL’s highest earners over the first two years of his move to Geelong, to be closer to family.

 

[loki04]

I haven't read that a flat 500k is the trigger for band 2 compo, rather I thought the formula was based on where they sat in comparison to other players in the comp as a percentage of wage earners, which is a moving line as each new contract is signed.

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Yep correct and it was estimated 500k is around that mark.

 

[barrackers]

The more the "figures" are stated the more "real" they become.
Does not make it so.
But I've always worried less what players get (front loading and back loading etc means clubs can adjust their caps anyway between 95 to 105%) but are they clear best 22 types.

Not sure why people are fixated but unless we know what all players are on, it's a moot point. It's just discussion and opinion based on nothing but preconceived biased positions of the said player.

Good point, whether it's 400 or 500k per season it's still a lot for someone who's borderline best 22 or in the 15-25 range especially with a 4 year contract.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Good point, whether it's 400 or 500k per season it's still a lot for someone who's borderline best 22 or in the 15-25 range especially with a 4 year contract.

Perhaps so.
And thanks Gubby!

But at the end the salary is the salary, I just don't care about that, no concern to me.

What I do care about is their ability to improve the list, are they A grade.
Wells absolutely worth the risk as that's a punt on the free agency train.

I'm more lenient on free agency as I'd punt on Wells than keeping a Goodyear player who just won't cut it anyway.

That said, it must always be about list improvement and need.

Ok, if we filing a niche position, due to need, yes you can take a cheaper free agent or recruit them in, eg Dunn, and the then rookie Schade. They cheapie to need.

Or a ruck type that's understandable.

 

[Jasper84]

The more the "figures" are stated the more "real" they become.
Does not make it so.
But I've always worried less what players get (front loading and back loading etc means clubs can adjust their caps anyway between 95 to 105%) but are they clear best 22 types.

Not sure why people are fixated but unless we know what all players are on, it's a moot point. It's just discussion and opinion based on nothing but preconceived biased positions of the said player.

How many people knew that Thomas' 750k per year contract had performance clauses build in until this year? Maybe when the media talk up figures and years they should mention those little tidbits.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

This deal will be worst when Adelaide offers $1mil per season to an out of contract Grundy and we can't afford to match it.

 

[Scodog10]

Not going to go the players. I've stated often enough how inept the decision makers were to go down this path. I'm just here to emphasise Grundy remains unsigned.

We prioritised acquiring these two and ignored rewarding the improving performance from a guy in a role we haven't had filled to this standard since Peter Moore (not saying he's at that level just our best since then). Grundy is now an $800k player so if we can't find that room in our cap for him and he leaves that's it for me whilst the powers that be remain.

 

[loki04]

How many people knew that Thomas' 750k per year contract had performance clauses build in until this year? Maybe when the media talk up figures and years they should mention those little tidbits.

Was reported at the time of his signing he had a trigger or "option" based last year, so while you may have not of known, many did, including the media who reported it to us plebs!

People just forget over 4 years, so now it's an issue as DT is cooked.

FA, RFA and trades in general appear to become much more gettable info for the press then general contracts kept in house by the club.

COLLINGWOOD'S concerns over the state of Dale Thomas’ ankle meant it could only offer him a performance-based contract as opposed to Carlton’s guaranteed $2.8 million four-year deal, with the option of a fifth season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/0ff14841821b7c5f5c59cd793e46622a

 

[Tazzaye]

perhaps Watson ought to direct me to a decent FF who was more then open to joining us?

 

[Tazzaye]

Dealing picks would have been out of the question, as good as Treloar has been, i doubt they would deal multiple picks after that deal

 

[loki04]

perhaps Watson ought to direct me to a decent FF who was more then open to joining us?

Would be more about this season trade period and next, 1 mil of our cap is taken up this year and next as a starter.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

How many people knew that Thomas' 750k per year contract had performance clauses build in until this year? Maybe when the media talk up figures and years they should mention those little tidbits.

Agree

 

[loki04]

Agree

You are agreeing with something that was proven wrong a few posts later...

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Sier was a left-field Hine special pick. 32 is a decent pick and it was our first in that draft. We chose to use it on someone playing school footy with no exposure at TAC cup level. So by choice, our recruiter multiplied the "speculative" factor of the pick by several fold. And went for yet another midfielder! Marcus Adams, an up and coming key back playing for the dogs last night was overlooked for him.

To date he's shown nothing, other than he meets the injury-prone requirements of all new Collingwood recruits. It's fair for people to be looking closely at this selection and asking the questions. It's too early to make a call on him I agree, but it's not too early to be expressing concern. If he can get on the park, we should have a pretty good idea of what we got by the end of this year.

Sier has still done nothing other than be discussed on BF. Marcus Adams on the other hand looked alright, certainly better than a Schade or Dunn. I know who I would prefer of the two players. I often wonder if the boys who regularly injured together develop a bond, and eke out their pain and immobility longer than necessary to prolong the camaraderie of the medical room.

 

[Scodog10]

Sier has still done nothing other than be discussed on BF. Marcus Adams on the other hand looked alright, certainly better than a Schade or Dunn. I know who I would prefer of the two players. I often wonder if the boys regularly injured together develop a bond, and eke out their pain and immobility longer than necessary to prolong the camaraderie of the medical room.

Sier is 24 AFL matches into his time at the club. Unless the club Freemanise him he'll eventually get a crack at it. Until then hold fire.

 

[spartan-magpie]

This deal will be worst when Adelaide offers $1mil per season to an out of contract Grundy and we can't afford to match it.

Definitely need to give him a 5 year deal asap. He's a gun.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Definitely need to give him a 5 year deal asap. He's a gun.

Signing Grundy better be their #1 priority.

 

[Tazzaye]

Would be more about this season trade period and next, 1 mil of our cap is taken up this year and next as a starter.

I dont see the point holding onto the cash if they see a opportunity to fill a couple areas that need attention, if we went into the Season with the 1 million cap up our sleeves and come trade period it turns to shit and get nothing then there goes yet another Season down the drain, Pendles hitting his 30's next Season should also put even more pressure on the win now button. Get Elliott on the ground and I reckon it will make a lot of difference, I dont know about anyone else but im pretty excited to see Wells and Treloar running tandem down the ground kicking a few for us.