Roast Chris Mayne Why?

[CFC2010]

Vitriol against Gubby? Think that it pales into insignificance when compared to the coach.

That's why I have banned myself from the Bucks thread Maggie5.

Like I said in another thread a lot of poison on this board since the loss.

 

[Maggie5]

If we wanted on field leadership we should have got Bartel.

Interesting point and one I hadn't considered. One year contract down back may have been useful, would bring across a lot of intel too.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

First up - I think we have to take discussion around salaries out of it. The AFL does not give any transparency about contracts, or salary cap position, so we have no idea what is or isn't accurate.
For example - are their contracts 3yrs and 4 yrs, or 2+1 and 3+1? Actually makes a big difference.
Or - were we sitting at 85% of the salary cap and needed to reach 95% and both guys have heavily front ended contracts.

As for the actual players, I don't mind either. It just comes down to who's in charge of those decisions, and what the direction from those in the leadership positions (Gubby, Pert, Board?) were about who we should chase. They may have said - we must push for the 8, and we want some experienced veterans brought in.

I'm 50-50 on Mayne. I always thought that he wasn't enough of an upgrade on either Blair or Goldsack (as a defensive forward) to warrant chasing. But the difference he does make is that he also provides a marking target and scoreboard pressure - something neither of those two provide. (not talking about Goldy as a defender/utility). I think Mayne has done pretty well for his position so far in the first 2 games. Really though, he needs the rest of the fwd line healthy and functioning around him.

As for Wells - I do think age is a problem, and I am very suprised at the reported length of the contract. (but we don't know the full details above). When he's healthy, he could add a lot of poise and class that we have really been missing. But age and health were always gonna be an issue - and obviously the club still wanted him enough that they were willing to trump Norths contract offer.

 

[ClaytonM]

Vp
Its real enough and is a poor man's version of the blues daisy trade
Ever since he lost his accuracy around 3 seasons back Mayne is a poor imitation of his prime years. He has never got aloy of the ball but with his former accuracy it didn't matter, it does when he can't convert regularly on limited touches.
I thought Wells was a good get, but his lack of attention to getting his body right in the offseason might be catching up with him as he gets older.
Regardless we didn't need another defensive fwd and another mid
Our spine is spineless with apologies to Reid and an older Moore. We need KPP and our recruiting has failed miserably in that regard
Sier DeGoey can be added to the list of recruiting mistakes as our list is padded out with big bodied mid paced mids who can't get on the park
Add Shazz another slow paced high draft pick and no wonder Bucks lament our lack of grunt/ speed
Finally add the mistreatment of Cloke to really suck the life out of our KPP depth, and 2017 already over and the future looking bleak.
GWS WB WCE MEL ADL STK have better mature players and better kids than we do by a long way. Even ESS blend of old and new looks slightly superior given a better spine
SYD HAW GEE will outperform us this year and next.
GCS CARL PORT have better kids going forward on different timelines
BRIS FREO NM basket cases
That leave a us in the same position 11 to 14 malaise we have been stuck in for the last couple of years for the foreseeable future ( along with the tigers who have only beaten us and the blues in 2017)
To escape this we need a tsunami of change at the club.
Total overhaul of admin, coaching , medical and recruiting personnel. Can't comment on specifics but there wouldn't be many encumbents in 2018 I would guess
Trading of highly skilled but mid paced mids for KPP and outside run
For mine that's means Sidey and JDG stand out as guys that could attract high end draft picks or trades for the types our club lacks. Greenwood and Shazz are others but don't think they would attract a lot of interest
In that situation wouldn't it be nice to have 1.2 mill ish of salary cap to go after a free agent player who's skill set we require
@dumbrecruitingPies

It is interesting how times have changed. Not long ago it was screams to get Blair and Kennedy out and bring in big bodied midfields to compete with the likes of Kennedy and Fyfe. Now we are chokers full of them it screams for something else.

I understand the cries for drastic change and something needs to give. But you can through the baby out with the bath water if you are not careful. Remember, change for change sake is not always good. Sometimes it leads to Trump.

 

[ClaytonM]

That Chris Mayne miss halfway through the 3rd term to put us 17 points us made me physically ill.

Why did that make you sick but several misses by Faz didn't?

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Why did that make you sick but several misses by Faz didn't?

Who said they didn't?

 

[Krueger]

Please insert a post from 2011 or earlier, where your HOWLS OF PROTESTS are clear at the appointment of Buckley.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/thoughts-regarding-nathan-buckley.863317/page-8#post-22099489
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ouse-to-coach-melbourne.854333/#post-21799644
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-flag-in-his-first-year.884536/#post-22674990
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jackals-and-judases.878368/#post-22471370

Just a quick search. Lol even Piebeast was all for Bucks taking over. The worm has turned.........................

 

[Maggie5]

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/thoughts-regarding-nathan-buckley.863317/page-8#post-22099489
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ouse-to-coach-melbourne.854333/#post-21799644
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...-flag-in-his-first-year.884536/#post-22674990
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jackals-and-judases.878368/#post-22471370

Just a quick search. Lol even Piebeast was all for Bucks taking over. The worm has turned.........................

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[10571z]

You need 'old heads" and experience in a team. You only need to to look and GC failure (exclusively youth policy) and GWS success ( blend youth and experience) to confirm this.
The game against the HAWKS last year would not had been lost if we had a few more leaders on the track - Maxy would never have allowed us to lose that game.

And this I idea of 'sneaking' in the 8 is just rubbish.
He wants to make the 8 like every other coach - heaven forbid he should give his supporters some hope.

Absolutely need old heads. But id rather blokes like Stevie J, Mitchell, Lewis even boomer ect. All guys who have been part of super successful teams and still performing.. Not wells who averaged 7 games a season for the last 3 years or mayne who isn't a good player.

 

[loki04]

Isn't Wells 4 years though ?


Hope it works, i am just not confident and IMO smacks of desperation by the club, when if we combine both contracts why did we not make a play a fife etc. ( just using him as an example )

Wells is 2 years with a trigger for a 3rd year.

Mayne is 4 years.

 

[loki04]

Absolutely need old heads. But id rather blokes like Stevie J, Mitchell, Lewis even boomer ect. All guys who have been part of super successful teams and still performing.. Not wells who averaged 7 games a season for the last 3 years or mayne who isn't a good player.

The other thing that is critical is you need talent not all drafts are equal and GC draft years were pretty bloody average.

On top of this was the toxic culture up there and the coke snorting infested playing group.

Also GC had experience.

G.Ablett jnr - Geelong
M.Rischitelli - Brisbane
N.Bock - Adelaide
J.Brennan - Brisbane
C.Brown - Hawthorn
D.Harris - Nth Melb
J.Fraser - Collingwood
D.Stanley - Collingwood
S.Iles - Collingwood
N.Krakeour - Port Adelaide
J.Harbrow - Bulldogs

11 players with AFL experience including the best player in the game at the time.

GCs issue is it had less picks then GWS to trade in other in form experienced AFL talent and also less picks to actually pilfer the drafts over multiple years.

 

[mike123]

Wells is 2 years with a trigger for a 3rd year.

Mayne is 4 years.

Oh If its trigger based then that puts all my doubts about the contract away.

 

[No SPIN]

Wells is 2 years with a trigger for a 3rd year.

Mayne is 4 years.

Bruce M on the Broadcast on Thursday said Mayne was only 3 years - I therefore suspect he too has a trigger for a 4th.

 

[CFC2010]

Bruce M on the Broadcast on Thursday said Mayne was only 3 years - I therefore suspect he too has a trigger for a 4th.

Hey No Spin I have called Krueger out many times in the past........but he has provided you with what you asked of him yesterday.

No response?

 

[No SPIN]

Hey No Spin I have called Krueger out many times in the past........but he has provided you with what you asked of him yesterday.

No response?

I was almost convinced until he included a post that said.
"I really dont give a hoot who coaches us next year - the damage is done"
It's hardly a a HOWL OF PROTEST against Buckley.

But at least he provided some evidence that he as been against Bucks for along time, and therefore I stand corrected.

 

[CFC2010]

I was almost convinced until he included a post that said.
"I really dont give a hoot who coaches us next year - the damage is done"
It's hardly a a HOWL OF PROTEST against Buckley.

But at least he provided some evidence that he as been against Bucks for along time, and therefore I stand corrected.

Thanks for the honest response No Spin.........it still doesn't excuse his arrogant/gloating attitude after every loss.

Even if he is right (it saddens me to say that) it still is a ugly trait to have IMO.

To each their own I guess.

 

[Maggie5]

I was almost convinced until he included a post that said.
"I really dont give a hoot who coaches us next year - the damage is done"
It's hardly a a HOWL OF PROTEST against Buckley.

But at least he provided some evidence that he as been against Bucks for along time, and therefore I stand corrected.

For mine all his posts show is that Buckley was on a hiding to nothing.

 

[CFC2010]

For mine all his posts show is that Buckley was on a hiding to nothing.

I don't blame Bucks I blame the whole Club for our predicament.

 

[Maggie5]

I don't blame Bucks I blame the whole Club for our predicament.

Actually I am over it and the keyboard warriors, but my comment was about the poster who posted the links and I stated that nothing that Bucks would have achieved would have changed his mind. Which is why I posted 'on a hiding to nothing'.

 

[Krueger]

Actually I am over it and the keyboard warriors, but my comment was about the poster who posted the links and I stated that nothing that Bucks would have achieved would have changed his mind. Which is why I posted 'on a hiding to nothing'.

I told you so You are dangerous cos you cant tell the difference between right or wrong nor can you admit when your wrong. Always some lame arse excuse or deflection.

 

[ZEV]

I think it is very easy to be critical of our recruitment of Mayne and Wells if we are to ignore several key points.

At what point did we know Dane Swan was unable to play in 2017 onwards? How long did we plan on keeping Swanny?

At what point was the trigger pulled on Cloke that he was finished? (possibly april 17th)

What size hole did that leave in the salary cap?

Remembering what little currency we had what could we organise at the trade table?

Of the list of available free agents in 2016 who could we attract and convince that had more upside than Wells or Mayne?

 

[magpies42]

So we bought these two players on high coin according to Tim Watson and he's asking the question why we bought these two partically when there is a huge gap in the forward line for a key tall. Discuss. Is Watson correct?

People questioned Varcoe and Howe too...
Treloar, Adams...all big wins. We need to give it time.

My question back to you is, which key forward was available. My view is we have stocked up picks and cap space to go after some big fish in the offseason to complete our list.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I don't blame Bucks I blame the whole Club for our predicament.

that's a fair point CFC2010. bucks is who he is. its no surprise he has stubborn view on game plan etc.

 

[CFC2010]

that's a fair point CFC2010. bucks is who he is. its no surprise he has stubborn view on game plan etc.

I agre 100% in the first 6 rounds of 2016...........but not in 2017...........far from stubborn.

 

[Maggie5]

I told you so You are dangerous cos you cant tell the difference between right or wrong nor can you admit when your wrong. Always some lame arse excuse or deflection.

Still waiting for your facts.
Do you have a bag under your chin to catch the crap you spew?