Past Chris Yarran

[HBF]

Sorry to intrude lads,

Just hoping for a yay or nay.

Our First (15-18) and Jon Simpkin for Yaz and your 3rd (40 odd)??

Would just about do that.

 

[Jock]

In which draft Jock?

You have to apply a player to the number at the top end of the draft.
Yarran is worth quite a bit to the right club or else we may risk him being worth more as a FA next year....who knows though....he may still come to the party.

Talk me through his B&F's Harks, what ever pick no. he was is irrelevant. It's what he's delivered and shown is what his true worth is. Or are you working off potential? If so, potential isn't bankable. Past history is. 15-18 is his worth and I'd take it in a heartbeat.

 

[HARKER]

Talk me through his B&F's Harks, what ever pick no. he was is irrelevant. It's what he's delivered and shown is what his true worth is. Or are you working off potential? If so, potential isn't bankable. Past history is. 15-18 is his worth and I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Yarran was 4th in our B&F last year..................how's that as a starting point?

Get to the root of the problem............and if it's not 'fixable' or if we don't trust ourselves to 'fix it', then move him on.
I'd be looking in the mirror first, before we become a Brisbane.

 

[BlueTongue]

Everybody's upset with the way Yarran is going about things right now but there's no rush to tell him that he's unwanted and that we'll clear him at any cost.

Plenty of time to see whether we can get things 'back in order' or whether it's all too late.

I'd rather shop him while he's still got cred. Unsure of the real reason why his form has had a massive downturn but he doesn't look like he wants to be there anymore. Trade to West Coast or Freo.

 

[JustaBattler]

I read Yarran as being basically unhappy - he has lost his closest team mates, broken up with girlfriend, and has had weight of expectations on him in a badly out of form team which has had injuries and coach issues...as well as mooted trade hanging over his head ...the bloke is one of those who cruises around on superior skill and natural speed - doesn't make him the type who can win games on his own at Carlton ..

put it all together and you have an unhappy chappy who is playing like it...supporters expect blokes to put in 100% every week...fair enough to expect but with some personality types ...they are either ON or OFF as far as effort goes..

Put Yarran in Hawthorn and you have an AA player instantly..less so at Freo...maybe WC with his mate Nic Nat..or at GWS where he is cream that gets them over the line in close ones...Chris is class in any contenders list and should be priced accordingly...

This type of situation is all about what Carlton does for Carlton - and I reckon if the CLub cant get a top10 pick - he stays ...for mine it is all about the messages the Club gives out to other teams and Clubs - last two years weer an absolute disaster as far as list management goes losing so much experience and class and gaining ****all as compensation and going backwards in pick ups...

nope - better he stays unless we get massive overs - and for mine massive overs is a top10 pick + minimum forget about a fair trade- Carlton needs to start playing very smart and be seen to be by all Clubs otherwise we continue building a poor reputation as far as trade goes.

If rumours are true that Pres insisted Garlett out - then all I can say is Pres should keep his opinions to his portly self and concentrate on getting some decent sponsorship back into the Club same goes for Trigg - butt out of player talk and list talk- do your job and win supporters and members or GTFO.

there was NO NEED for Trigg and Pres to start talking rebuild at start of year- that stuff you do - you dont tal - both have ****ed up big time.

 

[Gw2_James]

Barrett reckons Yarran has met with and talked to Richmond. Said it live on the Footy show =0

 

[King of Ruin]

Stole it off BF.

Pretty sure.

 

[Jock]

Yarran was 4th in our B&F last year..................how's that as a starting point?

Get to the root of the problem............and if it's not 'fixable' or if we don't trust ourselves to 'fix it', then move him on.
I'd be looking in the mirror first, before we become a Brisbane.

Come on harks, get a grip, so 4th in the B&F at Carlton is his best. If a late first rounder is offered we wouldn't be able to get the pen out quick enough.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

sweet. Yarran for Richo.

 

[HARKER]

Come on harks, get a grip, so 4th in the B&F at Carlton is his best. If a late first rounder is offered we wouldn't be able to get the pen out quick enough.

You may be right but the numbers don't add up to me, just yet.

A late first rounder still has to have a name and again we've still got plenty "let's wait and see time" New coach has to come into play also.

 

[RAPPA]

I recall my mate earlier in the year put forward a prospective trade of Yarran for Darling in a straight swap. Putting aside Yarran's current state of discontent, what's everyone's thoughts on that hypothetical?

 

[T2B_]

I recall my mate earlier in the year put forward a prospective trade of Yarran for Darling in a straight swap. Putting aside Yarran's current state of discontent, what's everyone's thoughts on that hypothetical?

We'd hear the laughter all the way from WA.

 

[Keyza]

Barrett reckons Yarran has met with and talked to Richmond. Said it live on the Footy show =0

I hope they got permission from Carlton first. Against AFL rules to meet directly with players, let alone a player contracted for another year.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I hope they got permission from Carlton first. Against AFL rules to meet directly with players, let alone a player contracted for another year.

Would not surprise me in the slightest if Yarran has done this.

It would confirm the character issues or traits that many have suspected for a while now if this was to be true.

We need to play hardball a bit with him, maximise our return for a trade this year or make him suffer another year.

Unfulfilled talent with poor work ethics & attitudes like Yarran are never really missed and the clubs are usually better for not having them in the long run.

 

[thylacine60]

sweet. Yarran for Hammer.

 

[Tig22]

So apparently the tigers are interested in Yarran, and I get that he's pretty handy so you want to keep him. But if he wants to come to Tigerland does our third pick and Dave Astbury do the deal for you? He was leading our b&f until injured mid last year, but hasn't been able to crack into our back 6 as all our talls have been great/not injured.

 

[tencentpiece]

So apparently the tigers are interested in Yarran, and I get that he's pretty handy so you want to keep him. But if he wants to come to Tigerland does our third pick and Dave Astbury do the deal for you? He was leading our b&f until injured mid last year, but hasn't been able to crack into our back 6 as all our talls have been great/not injured.

Constantly injury prone and even when he is fit he can't make it into your back six? Debut 5 years ago for a total of 41 games. No thanks.

Id think Carlton would take #15-#18 for yarran, There wouldn't be need for steak knives

Why would we do that when we can get band 1 compo next year?

Anderson has re-signed to be announced by weeks end....

That said the deal would be very different... Jed and 15-18 for Yaz and your Second. Before you jump up and down, we rate Anderson higher than you may or may not rate Yarran..... With a full preseason he'll go BEAST MODE.

If you rate Anderson higher, why would you trade him and a pick upgrade for Yarran?


This thread reminds me of vultures picking at a dead carcass. For my mind, either an early first round or late first round and steak knives with some steak still on them. Challenging clubs know that Yarran could be the difference and that he would shine at their clubs.

 

[Ellas Ellas]

A late first rounder is pure delusion on our behalf. Yarran could be the best player in the comp, he is contracted, unless we are offered way overs he stays and leaves via FA next year where he will be offered a monster contract and we will cash in on pick 2 or 3. To give him away for pick 15-18 shows a distinct lack of understanding of how the system works, and a willingness to take the easy way out for little return.

 

[SBYM]

Everybody's upset with the way Yarran is going about things right now but there's no rush to tell him that he's unwanted and that we'll clear him at any cost.

Plenty of time to see whether we can get things 'back in order' or whether it's all too late.

Can someone get Harks a job on the list management team?

 

[Blueboiiz]

So apparently the tigers are interested in Yarran, and I get that he's pretty handy so you want to keep him. But if he wants to come to Tigerland does our third pick and Dave Astbury do the deal for you? He was leading our b&f until injured mid last year, but hasn't been able to crack into our back 6 as all our talls have been great/not injured.

Hahahahahahaha

 

[one eyed bluey]

So apparently the tigers are interested in Yarran, and I get that he's pretty handy so you want to keep him. But if he wants to come to Tigerland does our third pick and Dave Astbury do the deal for you? He was leading our b&f until injured mid last year, but hasn't been able to crack into our back 6 as all our talls have been great/not injured.

 

[Keyza]

So apparently the tigers are interested in Yarran, and I get that he's pretty handy so you want to keep him. But if he wants to come to Tigerland does our third pick and Dave Astbury do the deal for you? He was leading our b&f until injured mid last year, but hasn't been able to crack into our back 6 as all our talls have been great/not injured.

So apparently Richmond have broken AFL rules and spoken directly to a player who is contracted for at least another year at another club.
You want him offer something pretty good or get lost.

 

[Big Sim]

I read Yarran as being basically unhappy - he has lost his closest team mates, broken up with girlfriend, and has had weight of expectations on him in a badly out of form team which has had injuries and coach issues...as well as mooted trade hanging over his head ...the bloke is one of those who cruises around on superior skill and natural speed - doesn't make him the type who can win games on his own at Carlton ..

put it all together and you have an unhappy chappy who is playing like it...supporters expect blokes to put in 100% every week...fair enough to expect but with some personality types ...they are either ON or OFF as far as effort goes..

Put Yarran in Hawthorn and you have an AA player instantly..less so at Freo...maybe WC with his mate Nic Nat..or at GWS where he is cream that gets them over the line in close ones...Chris is class in any contenders list and should be priced accordingly...

This type of situation is all about what Carlton does for Carlton - and I reckon if the CLub cant get a top10 pick - he stays ...for mine it is all about the messages the Club gives out to other teams and Clubs - last two years weer an absolute disaster as far as list management goes losing so much experience and class and gaining ****all as compensation and going backwards in pick ups...

nope - better he stays unless we get massive overs - and for mine massive overs is a top10 pick + minimum forget about a fair trade- Carlton needs to start playing very smart and be seen to be by all Clubs otherwise we continue building a poor reputation as far as trade goes.

If rumours are true that Pres insisted Garlett out - then all I can say is Pres should keep his opinions to his portly self and concentrate on getting some decent sponsorship back into the Club same goes for Trigg - butt out of player talk and list talk- do your job and win supporters and members or GTFO.

there was NO NEED for Trigg and Pres to start talking rebuild at start of year- that stuff you do - you dont tal - both have ****ed up big time.

Very well said.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If rumours are true that Pres insisted Garlett out - then all I can say is Pres should keep his opinions to his portly self and concentrate on getting some decent sponsorship back into the Club same goes for Trigg - butt out of player talk and list talk- do your job and win supporters and members or GTFO.

Swann used to comment on player stuff. Sticks had to get involved in the Fevola stuff. They still have the club's image and direction to protect. Off field incidents are part of their domain and decision process. I'd be happy for SOS to be the mouthpiece in his dedicated role. You can't suggest the president of the club can't have an opinion behind closed doors on player shenanigans though. It would be bad if he made public comment. The fact this is a rumour only 10 months later shows the club have done a reasonable job of keeping the leaks at bay. Elliot would have called a press conference to give his opinion on every misdemeanour.

there was NO NEED for Trigg and Pres to start talking rebuild at start of year- that stuff you do - you dont tal - both have ****ed up big time.

They attempted to manage expectations. We expected to be better than our start to the season showed and the supporter base was starting to melt down. It is easy in hindsight to say that staying silent was the thing to do but there was a big rush of 'right, we said it, what do we have to do to get it right' afterwards. That was circuit breaker #1 and it was supposed to take heat off the club and the coach.

Problem was the performances got worse and Mick went into self preservation mode which totally make the rebuild announcement explode in the club's face.

Trigg and the board took a stance of greater communication, more inclusion, more information late last year. Supporters were upset and looking to the club to make them feel better about something. The club went 'holy shit, we are terrible but we have to offer a future' and so went proactive.

Everybody here knows they didn't want to here ... 'we need to work harder', 'the opposition were very good', 'we have had a much better week on the track so are confident on a better performance' rhetoric coming out every week. That stuff alienates us but also makes us think the club have no idea where we are at.

Some say, bugger the supporters, they do not need to know things and the club should keep it in house while others scream for more info. Damned either way. You need members and lying to people and saying it's a slow start to the season, we'll come right so jump on board, doesn't cut it.

It only blew up because the coach immediately realised he would have no way of proving himself to get an extension and supposedly because some precious players found it hard to concentrate on playing because a rebuild means uncertainty for their futures, as if getting smashed every week hadn't already threatened those futures. Interesting that some players have lifted since the coaching change with the rebuild still on.

I believe the club had a dilemma, am still not convinced whether the rebuild announcement was a good thing or a bad thing but I'm prepared not to judge even if they did the wrong thing for the right reason. I know receiving shock therapy to manage my expectations early has helped to limit my frustration this year. Point is, these things are not so clear cut for all. One man's stuff up makes perfect sense to another. Depends on your particular slant.

 

[JustaBattler]

Swann used to comment on player stuff. Sticks had to get involved in the Fevola stuff. They still have the club's image and direction to protect. Off field incidents are part of their domain and decision process. I'd be happy for SOS to be the mouthpiece in his dedicated role. You can't suggest the president of the club can't have an opinion behind closed doors on player shenanigans though. It would be bad if he made public comment. The fact this is a rumour only 10 months later shows the club have done a reasonable job of keeping the leaks at bay. Elliot would have called a press conference to give his opinion on every misdemeanour.

Trigg and Le Gogo did not have to come out after two weeks of 2015 and say Club is in full rebuild - just a continuation of reactive thinking and posturing - Kernahan/Elliot references merely reinforce the history of Carlton fail as far as running a professional organisation goes- the cult of personality starts at the top - this must end - supporters aren't members because they like management or a Board members - we are member DESPITE the serial incompetence of a third rate management and cultural regime.

The problem is that Carlton is a closed shop run by a bunch of nuff nuffs - not for members. I look at the Board and see a bunch of second rate property developers and private company crooks in Visy and Gambling crapola Mathieson and thier ****n progeny /sycophants and nepotistic appointments - none of the Board members would get a seat on one of my Boards- our Board does not attract talent - because it is loaded with dross - who sit there because they have drip fed the Club with bits of cash - we dont need cash - we need members and members wont come for as long as they make knee jerk BS decisions like sacking Ratten and hiring an old has been like Malthouse- who was appointed by his mate Swan and who picked up a Thomas on big dollars who cant run or kick anymore- it is a total disgrace what has been allowed to happen at Carlton.

They attempted to manage expectations. We expected to be better than our start to the season showed and the supporter base was starting to melt down. It is easy in hindsight to say that staying silent was the thing to do but there was a big rush of 'right, we said it, what do we have to do to get it right' afterwards. That was circuit breaker #1 and it was supposed to take heat off the club and the coach.

Problem was the performances got worse and Mick went into self preservation mode which totally make the rebuild announcement explode in the club's face.

Trigg and the board took a stance of greater communication, more inclusion, more information late last year. Supporters were upset and looking to the club to make them feel better about something. The club went 'holy shit, we are terrible but we have to offer a future' and so went proactive.

Everybody here knows they didn't want to here ... 'we need to work harder', 'the opposition were very good', 'we have had a much better week on the track so are confident on a better performance' rhetoric coming out every week. That stuff alienates us but also makes us think the club have no idea where we are at.

Some say, bugger the supporters, they do not need to know things and the club should keep it in house while others scream for more info. Damned either way. You need members and lying to people and saying it's a slow start to the season, we'll come right so jump on board, doesn't cut it.

Look ODN I don't have a problem with your logic or reasoning or explanation - it is all pretty much correct

but personally I am tired of seeing the outcomes of poor decisions shoved down members throats and sweetened by BS PC correct gobbledegook. How can the Club end up with so many players who don't want to play for the Club??!!!

i'll tell you why - because the Club has played favorites with some players and treated other players like absolute CRAP. Personally I'm am ecstatic that Judd is now GONE- his messiah hiring cost us untold damage- because his ability allowed poor recruitment/poor development/poor drafting/poor list management to hide behind his talent. There has been little to no accountability for the epic fail of basic management practice at Carlton for over a decade.

It only blew up because the coach immediately realised he would have no way of proving himself to get an extension and supposedly because some precious players found it hard to concentrate on playing because a rebuild means uncertainty for their futures, as if getting smashed every week hadn't already threatened those futures. Interesting that some players have lifted since the coaching change with the rebuild still on.

I believe the club had a dilemma, am still not convinced whether the rebuild announcement was a good thing or a bad thing but I'm prepared not to judge even if they did the wrong thing for the right reason. I know receiving shock therapy to manage my expectations early has helped to limit my frustration this year. Point is, these things are not so clear cut for all. One man's stuff up makes perfect sense to another. Depends on your particular slant.

It all blew up because Malthouse had no game plan - never did, he only had a retirement savings plan to look after - he is probably the most self centered ego maniac that AFL has ever seen - apart from Sheedy.

Malthouse oversaw the complete decimation of our list and a total destruction of any player camaraderie. We ar now in a position which may force teh Club to trade blokes like Kreuzer - on top of losing Henderson/Yarran - after the loss of Betts/Garlett and a bunch of other experinced bodies- in the hope f what?

Picking up some magic in one year's draft?

Forget about it - teh Club has to go through years of building and that is fine.

But lets stop being stupid.

If Henderson wants out and Yarran wants out- well let the club play hard ball with both and not be a soft touch for top up specialists lie Geelong and Hawthorn - we have become a laughing stock.

Time for Carlton to get smarter- and for blokes like Trigg and Le go go- it means - do your jobs - increase membership and get better sponsors and slowly professionalise the organisation - whilst you just shut up.

Bring on a coach who understands that modern football is a 30+ player game- and there is no room for prima donnas. Carlton has to go Blue collar - ditch teh fancy haircuts and half steppers - you knwo who they are ODN I can name a few I'd trade ahead of Kreuzer.