Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

[Kurve]

I know that you watch heaps of pr0n Fluffy, and no doubt it gets hard to keep track ...but Forced Entry 2002 was the propensity evidence tendered not the 1971 Nam version or any other version which we have no real idea if the accused has ever seen.
2002 is an unabashed homage to night stalker Richard Ramirez .

Also like to just add that the original version had not only a kimono in it but said serial killer rapist waiting for a woman behind a door when she got out of the shower. Just like the attack in the Huntingdale prowler series.

 

[artichokeHearts]

Also like to just add that the original version had not only a kimono in it but said serial killer rapist waiting for a woman behind a door when she got out of the shower. Just like the attack in the Huntingdale prowler series.

seriously...
shellyg...
but how many years apart from these dates recorded....
every door in the shower room had some sort of overcoat/dressing/gown/
in past years
and we need to remember the mind can play very odd tricks after viewing content....
of such

 

[BFew]

I noticed tonight that the "Claremont Serial Killings" gets its own section on "The West" website with a guernsey in the top row visible menu structure tabs.

When did this start?

 

[Badge666]

Excuse moi, do not badger my fluffy thank you and I do not watch pr0n. I admit I watched the censored original youtube version of Forced Entry (there was a kimono in that one) and looked at the synopsis but was not the 2002 version just a remake of the earlier one?

Since when did Richard Ramirez show up anywhere with flowers?

Now now don't get in a huffy, Fluffy, .... nice tactic to try and confuse issue with the throwaway line about Ramirez and flowers ...ooh you are norty....we BOTH know he didn't show up to any crime scene with flowers unless they were taken from the cemetriess he used to haunt...no, not Karrakatta cemetery ....hmm,,,hmmmmmmmm
A judge described Ramirez as having a viciousness,callousness and evilness beyond human comprehension.
i will say it again -beyond human comprehension. Now that is a big statement from an American Judge.
Young Richard developed an interest in kinky sex and bondage in his teens.
During his crime spree he shot one womans husband in bed then raped her beside him as he died.
He also cut another victims eyes out and put them in a jewellery box next to her bed....
He was active during the mid eighties and front page news worldwide including his trial and imprisonment leading up to the nineties.......was big fan of Ozzie Band ACDC and the original lead singer Fremantle boy Bonn Scott which gained a lot of press in Oz at the time.....

 

[petedavo]

I don't think we have heard the full extent of the accused online activities by a long stretch. Am wondering if the Gary Hughes Blog will get a mention at trial....pre arrest all sorts of kooks where posting all sorts of hogwash online about the case....what brought the good doctor and his later aliases into such sharp nationwide focus....he has dropped a hint or two in amongst the guff that certainly made investigators sit up and take notice,,,,,,,

The Post Newspaper published on 14th May 2011. Mentions the Claremont Ghost videos on Page 94 within the story about printers

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[Kurve]

You just take my word for it ok, don't you worry about that now , when the Badger speaks you can go to the bank with it.
Forced Entry 2002 -the content is what made the prosecution half a half hearted crack at getting it zeroed in as evidence. It is the Citizen Kane of sicko rape /simulated snuff pr0n.
The prosecution would not have even bothered to try and admit the 1971, version, the Israeli version or any other lame, tame version .

Never let it be said I don't correct if I've got it wrong, you are right Badge and it was the 2002 version. Thanks to @SorbetBliss for finding this.

"But Justice Stephen Hall will have to view the 2002 extreme pr0n film “Forced Entry” this weekend — to help him decide whether it will become part of the evidence against Bradley Robert Edwards.
The film is among graphic material found on electronic devices seized from Mr Edwards during the Macro Taskforce investigation which led to his arrest in 2016."

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...al-key-in-prosecution-case-ng-b881105960z.amp

 

[FTY1]

Never let it be said I don't correct if I've got it wrong, you are right Badge and it was the 2002 version. Thanks to @SorbetBliss for finding this.

"But Justice Stephen Hall will have to view the 2002 extreme pr0n film “Forced Entry” this weekend — to help him decide whether it will become part of the evidence against Bradley Robert Edwards.
The film is among graphic material found on electronic devices seized from Mr Edwards during the Macro Taskforce investigation which led to his arrest in 2016."

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...al-key-in-prosecution-case-ng-b881105960z.amp

Also

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/wa/WASC/2019/87.html#

Under heading
The State application to lead propensity evidence
13. 3

"(f) The conduct of the accused in possessing or having possessed a pornographic recording entitled 'Forced Entry', released by Extreme Associates in April 2002. "

 

[one eyed spy]

As you have experience with the system for some 30 years what is your opinion on how drugs have changed the Code of Conduct / Ethics among prisoners for want of a better way of putting it

Appreciate the question TDB but you've misinterpreted that I have experience with the system for 30yrs, hence the reason you asked.
I said I've had my fair share of experiences with the system over 30 years. Different context.

 

[BFew]

https://thewest.com.au/news/claremo...killer-accused-bradley-edwards-ng-b881210265z

... Legal Aid WA director Graham Hill said that $1.1 million had already been spent on defending accusations against Mr Edwards ...

“As to what the cost will be in the future, that depends how long it goes and how intensive it all is.
“At the moment, the case is scheduled to start on July 22 and run for nine months but there are also some indications that it might be delayed. Our estimate is that it could be up to $2 million in the next year.”

Attorney-General John Quigley stressed in the estimates committee hearing that if Mr Edwards did not get proper legal representation, there was a chance of the case collapsing. “We certainly do not want any murder case against Mr Edwards stayed or delayed,” he said.

July 22nd is only 58 calendar days away.

 

[Sorbet Bliss]

Keeping with the topic of areas the accused might've been familiar with or whether he could've been connected to a place somehow, I wonder if after his arrest this place sparked a bit of interest?

The "Perth International Telecommunications Centre" (PITC) is run by Telstra and opened up in November 1986.

I didn't know this infrastructure existed until I was inspired, after the accused was charged with the wilful murder of Sarah Spiers, to take a closer look at facilities located in, near or associated with Gnangara.

The Gnangara pine plantation, being one of the possible locations for Sarah Spiers has been raised in CSK forums with some regularity over the years.
The interest and intrigue concerning this area emerged after it was revealed that Don Spiers received a phone call from a man sadly revealing the demise of his daughter and the location of where her body was.
The only phone call out of the hundreds of calls he has ever believed was legit and not a hoax.

After revisiting the older pre-arrest CSK threads, I was reminded of some very interesting contributions and clocked a few comments that explicitly stated the specific area of the plantation given to Don Spiers during this phone call was in Lexia.
With this already existing link, I'm really just following on from it.


As you'll see on the maps below, the Telstra PITC is in very close proximity to Lexia/Gnangara pine plantation.



So, if we are to believe along side Don Spiers, that the voice on the other end of this call was the person responsible or someone who knew them and what had happened, if we are to believe the details given to Don during the phone call are factual and that the area mentioned was the Gnangara pine plantation in Lexia (I personally feel it was) and of course importantly, provided the accused is indeed guilty, then it puts Telstra very close to the area that was proclaimed Sarah Spiers body is.

Knowing the accused worked for telecom/Telstra and adding the above information, it raises a few questions. Actually it raises quite a lot but I'll keep it brief.
1. Was the accused familiar with the Telstra PITC?
2. Did he work there at some point?
3. Did someone close to him work there?
4. Since the arrest, with the knowledge that the accused worked for Telstra, adding the location/information given to Don in the phone call, did police connect some dots and this place sparked a bit of interest? Renewed interest?
And lastly.
5. Did they conduct a search or a narrowed down search around the PITC land and surrounding areas?

There's a great deal more information that I've found and could add, probably beyond BF's word count, but remaining with this subject I've compressed it down as best as I can with the relevant components.

 

[BlueE]

DNA evidence is set to be vital to the case against accused Claremont serial killer Bradley Robert Edwards, with prosecutors revealing they were gathering information to prove crucial samples could not have been contaminated.

Mr Edwards’ barrister Paul Yovich had previously raised the possibility of a challenge to the DNA evidence allegedly linked to his client, and yesterday reiterated at a WA Supreme Court case management hearing that prosecutors should not assume the “continuity” of the material would not be an issue.

Prosecutor Carmel Barbagallo told the court a “number” of statements were being collected from past and present PathWest employees, who could speak to the “movement and continuity” of the evidence in their laboratories over the past two decades.

Ms Barbagallo also said she expected a PathWest forensic scientist would provide an expert report explaining the processes and methods used to analyse DNA samples over the years and how transfer and contamination might occur.

Criminal lawyers sometimes refer to “continuity” or “chain of custody” evidence when they are questioning the integrity of a sample and if it is possible the material could have been contaminated — intentionally or unintentionally — as it was moved from place to place.

https://thewest.com.au/news/claremo...-accused-were-not-contaminated-ng-b881141837z

Unfortunately this report about vital DNA evidence mentioned on March 21st still hadn't been given to the defence at the last Directions hearing in April. It's worrying that the main reason for its delay was said they were still collecting and collating statements from past and present employees. But they've been doing this over the last two years, and not a good sign that this DNA report wasn't competed by the April Directions hearing (see April Post report in Media thread).

It's possible the defence will have good grounds for challenging how the DNA was found since it wasn't discovered until years later and then the reported "fingernail" that had the DNA was sent to the wrong lab where it sat for another long period of time before testing.

While DNA evidence can't prove murder if it is successfully challenged, seems the only other forensic evidence will only be car seat fibres connecting a certain type of car to the victims. Will this be enough combined with circumstantial evidence or does the prosecution have something (or someone) else?

 

[BFew]

No, he simply got involved because a childhood friend from Claremont Speedway days was a coach there and his stepdaughter and wife joined. I believe the coach is a witness, but not for that period I am led to believe. Maybe when the trial comes around, it'll make more sense. I'm presuming that it'll be about whether the accused was seen at Claremont speedway in the hours before each of the alleged offences. Bear in mind that many people would've also been at Claremont Speedway prior to each offence, as they worked there or were part of the competing teams, so I'm not sure if that'll be the extent of it or not. I'm just guessing.

I would have thought that the prosecution would be pretty keen on investigating and establishing any evidence of the accused's familiarity with Claremont's Rowe Park area, where the streets surrounding the park were where the accused's alleged 1995 victim was abducted from, were highly sought after for parking on Speedway nights. Potential familiarity from if the accused used to attend Claremont Speedway events.

From what davo says, we are looking at BRE having attended Claremont Speedway in his childhood at least.

 

[petedavo]

I would have thought that the prosecution would be pretty keen on investigating and establishing any evidence of the accused's familiarity with Claremont's Rowe Park area, where the streets surrounding the park were where the accused's alleged 1995 victim was abducted from, were highly sought after for parking on Speedway nights. Potential familiarity from if the accused used to attend Claremont Speedway events.

From what davo says, we are looking at BRE having attended Claremont Speedway in his childhood at least.

I guess that this childhood friend's evidence could be substantially more than to establish familiarity with the Claremont area. My guess is that it would be to put the accused in the vicinity at the time of the alleged abductions. I previously noted the appearance of this witness could resemble MM in the CCTV released to the media. I speculated awhile ago that this could be that the witness evidence could be something along the lines that the witness had just been dropped off up the road by the accused, who had given him a lift from the speedway and if so this evidence would be to put the accused within proximity of one of the victims at the same instance of her last confirmed sighting. IMO there's no point going further into that witness until the trial illuminates what he does tender into evidence, as he has a job at a prestigious private school in the Western Suburbs as well as coaching in a community organisation dedicated to youth participation in sporting activities to considered that could be at risk by unwarranted speculation causing harm to his livelihood.


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[Willow weeps]

I was told about 5 years ago by that Shannon guy that MM was BRE's brother's best friend. So I'm expecting him to show up at court

 

[petedavo]

I was told about 5 years ago by that Shannon guy that MM was BRE's brother's best friend. So I'm expecting him to show up at court

It's interesting the things we've heard over the last couple of years, we'll find out eventually and some we've already found it either to be true or they got it totally wrong.

You thinking, what I'm thinking B2?
Police haven't been looking for MM for awhile, which presumably means that MM came forward. If it's the same bloke that I'm guessing it is, then the short answer to Willow Weeps, is that I believe this chap has told people that he had received a witness summons. So I'm waiting to hear what evidence that he does tender at the trial.


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[FeelingThroaty]

Think Caldwell's were made around 1998 or 99 and he may have been brought over from the States again years later. He had access to the crime scene information and gave what may be a very accurate profile.

Just because the accused doesn't have a Uni degree "Intelligent and cunning" may perfectly describe him. When the accused was charged people were astounded, he could have been your next door neighbour and workmates couldn't believe it.

Can remember someone who may or may not have been a professional giving a talk at Murdoch Uni years later suggesting possible military training.

Can't rule out the CSK (whoever it may be) may have had or had relatives with military and cartography training.

Like laying the bodies down in a line thru the Conti pub & down to Collie?

 

[BlueE]

Like laying the bodies down in a line thru the Conti pub & down to Collie?

Whether it was meant to be like that or not, that's how it ended up. Bizarre really?

 

[BlueE]

You thinking, what I'm thinking B2?
Police haven't been looking for MM for awhile, which presumably means that MM came forward. If it's the same bloke that I'm guessing it is, then the short answer to Willow Weeps, is that I believe this chap has told people that he had received a witness summons. So I'm waiting to hear what evidence that he does tender at the trial.
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He hadn't come forward 12 years after, so when do you think he may have?

 

[FeelingThroaty]

Think Caldwell's were made around 1998 or 99 and he may have been brought over from the States again years later. He had access to the crime scene information and gave what may be a very accurate profile.

Just because the accused doesn't have a Uni degree "Intelligent and cunning" may perfectly describe him. When the accused was charged people were astounded, he could have been your next door neighbour and workmates couldn't believe it.

Can remember someone who may or may not have been a professional giving a talk at Murdoch Uni years later suggesting possible military training.

Can't rule out the CSK (whoever it may be) may have had or had relatives with military and cartography training.

Guy Hall was the associate Dean who gave the talk at Murdoch University. Google his name for more info.

 

[tapdancingbear]

I was told about 5 years ago by that Shannon guy that MM was BRE's brother's best friend. So I'm expecting him to show up at court

Are you suggesting that 5 years ago Shannon { whoever that may be ] not only knew who BRE was , but also knew his brother and his best friend … 2 years before the accused arrest

 

[Willow weeps]

well I moved 4 years ago & I was told that before I moved but BRE had already been arrested. I got my timing wrong, it's not my first mistake & it won't be my last. I'm not perfect

 

[Willow weeps]

Don't any of you find it odd that straight after the arrest of BRE, there has never been a mention of finding MM again?

 

[petedavo]

He hadn't come forward 12 years after, so when do you think he may have?

WAPol wouldn't divulge such operational information if they thought that letting the media know that MM came forward, would spook the actual offender to clear away any incriminating evidence IMO. So my guess is as soon as they stopped repeating that they were looking for MM would indicate when he came forward. We've probably been wasting our time looking at the CCTV for years when they might've already had him telling them whatever he knew. Maybe it wasn't considered of much value then because MM thought that whoever drove him there had already left because he didn't look back to see he hadn't. Who knows. We'll have to wait till the trial.

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[Kurve]

WAPol wouldn't divulge such operational information if they thought that letting the media know that MM came forward, would spook the actual offender to clear away any incriminating evidence IMO. So my guess is as soon as they stopped repeating that they were looking for MM would indicate when he came forward. We've probably been wasting our time looking at the CCTV for years when they might've already had him telling them whatever he knew. Maybe it wasn't considered of much value then because MM thought that whoever drove him there had already left because he didn't look back to see he hadn't. Who knows. We'll have to wait till the trial.

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If we don't ever get an explanation of the MM CCTV, I might not be able to take it ... I might even start a petition.

 

[SimonSays77]

media injuction.