Clean Out

[DemonDoob]

As i have been saying for the past 2 years its time for a clean out at MFC.

Daniher - Has to go. Just a disgrace he is still there. You can only bame inconsistency on a coach People not players. It is his fault we are up one week down another. Just like he use to have his old Up one year Down another year.

Chris Fagan - How is this guy our football Manager please tell me? He and Daniher time is up. They need to move on.

David Neitz - Lets admitt his time is up. He is a wonderful player and we all love him, but he needs to move on. We can't afford to have him in the team at a inconsistent basis.

Godfrey, Wheatley, Ward, Jeff White, Ben Holland, Nathan Carroll, Roberston? are not premiership players. These guys just fill up the 42 players on a list. Lets move them on. Lets get some young players like Jones or Pettard on our playing list who are hungry and want to win.

What you guys need to know is we are majorly off a premiership. We beat St Kilda last year when they had 16 fit players barely on the park. 2004 our best chance and we lost to a hungier Essendon.

We have to move our elder players on guys. We have to go youth policy like a Carlton or Richmond and just know the nexxt couple of years no good, but when the Jones, Bell, Davey, Pettard, Frawely, Bartram, Rivers, players get 100 games behind them, well be a force.

 

[stickman11]

David Neitz - Lets admitt his time is up. He is a wonderful player and we all love him, but he needs to move on. We can't afford to have him in the team at a inconsistent basis.

Godfrey, Wheatley, Ward, Jeff White, Ben Holland, Nathan Carroll, Roberston? are not premiership players.

Mmmmm 7 goals in a game and time to go? And this post started so well.

 

[bringbackschwarter5]

As i have been saying for the past 2 years its time for a clean out at MFC.

Daniher - Has to go. Just a disgrace he is still there. You can only bame inconsistency on a coach People not players. It is his fault we are up one week down another. Just like he use to have his old Up one year Down another year.

Chris Fagan - How is this guy our football Manager please tell me? He and Daniher time is up. They need to move on.

David Neitz - Lets admitt his time is up. He is a wonderful player and we all love him, but he needs to move on. We can't afford to have him in the team at a inconsistent basis.

Godfrey, Wheatley, Ward, Jeff White, Ben Holland, Nathan Carroll, Roberston? are not premiership players. These guys just fill up the 42 players on a list. Lets move them on. Lets get some young players like Jones or Pettard on our playing list who are hungry and want to win.

What you guys need to know is we are majorly off a premiership. We beat St Kilda last year when they had 16 fit players barely on the park. 2004 our best chance and we lost to a hungier Essendon.

We have to move our elder players on guys. We have to go youth policy like a Carlton or Richmond and just know the nexxt couple of years no good, but when the Jones, Bell, Davey, Pettard, Frawely, Bartram, Rivers, players get 100 games behind them, well be a force.

Get rid of Neitz, Robbo, White and Carroll????, you sir are a moron

 

[Supermercado]

Carroll is average at best but unless you have some great way to pull a competant FB out of your arse what do you want to do?

 

[dspeed]

i'd really consider trading cameron bruce, sure he is a good player but he really isnt all that damaging, we'd be able to get a fairly good draft pick for him and i personally would, i love the guy and think he has been great, but might as well get something for him whilst he still has value, would be able to get a top 10 pick perhaps? around 7-10?

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Retire:
Brown

Delist:
Ward
Pickett
Jamar
Neville
Warnock
Ferguson

Trade bait:
Bruce (for something good)
C.Johnson (for anything really)
Miller

Must keep:
McLean
Jones
Bate
Sylvia
Petterd
Frawley
Bell
Green
Moloney
Rivers

 

[dspeed]

Retire:
Brown

Delist:
Ward
Pickett
Jamar
Neville
Warnock
Ferguson

Trade bait:
Bruce (for something good)
C.Johnson (for anything really)
Miller

Must keep:
McLean
Jones
Bate
Sylvia
Petterd
Frawley
Bell
Green
Moloney
Rivers

i think youd be able to get a 3rd or 4th round pick for Jamar, if you are going to delist him might aswell grab a fourth round pick

 

[demonboy13]

Ok seriously....im sick of some of the garbage i raed on forums from melbourne supporters about certain players!!!

Cameron Bruce....we must keep him...he is our mr fix it!!! he plays in the midfield, can go forward and over his career has played well as a forward, he can play back and can be used as a tagger as well!!! he will win our Best and Fairest this year, he has been super consistent and has busted his gut every week....he has continually featured as one of our top plyers for tackles, contested possessions and he does so many one percenters that cannot be taught to people....fair enough he does the odd shocker, maybe one or two obvious ones a game....but he has been in the top 5 on the ground for EFFECTIVE possessions on the ground in 8 of the 12 games this season (that includes top 5 from both teams).....so people stop using cam as the scapegoat and sinking the boot into him, he will play an integral part in us becoming a premiership team when we eventually get there, coz he still has 5 years in him, if not more!!!

Russell Robertson...well i agree with the first poster!!! he is valuable trade bait, because of his status....and i think we should use him to try and lure a strong marking key forward....Robbo is a great player there is no doubting that, but he is way too inconsistent and we need to get rid of inconsistency....its players like him that eventuated in us having up down year-by-year records, and having streks of wins and then dying off at the finals....we have been proven to be an inconsistent team over the years!!! Robbo has 1 great game and then a few quiet ones etc etc. i reckon he could be useful trade bait

neitz....i rekkon we keep neitz til we develop a key forward to replace him....maybe bate is the answer!!

MUST KEEP/our FUTURE- davey, bate, bell, jones, carroll, rivers, sylvia, mclean, bartram, petterd, PJ, moloney, dunn, frawley, garland, and weetra who we picked up a year early in the draft and apparently is somethin special.....could we have another aaron davey there???

PJ....WOW!! he has developed to be a very very good player!! a decent backup ruckman....but when he isnt in the ruck, he is very very effective around the ground and he is actually marking very very well!! he has that dean cox prescence about him....very mobile around the ground and his disposal is fabulous to be honest!!! im excited about his future!!

jamar - lets trade him and see what we can get....if not keep him as a depth ruckman

cj....TRADE BAIT!!! he isnt quick enough and we are slow as it is, he just makes us slower, he is beaten to the ball and he doesnt have breakaway speed....he could be appealing to other teams, if not then that sux and he gets delisted....but at least try and get something for him!!

Miller....TRADE BAIT!!! surely we'd be able to get something decen t for him....he is not the answer for us though....he is too inconsistent and he is only good on the lead, not a contested marker!!

Ward, wheatley, brown, yze, godfrey, ferguson, holland.....see if we can get something for any of them or else i suggest its time for most of them to be gone from our list

white, mcdonald, green, johnstone, bizzell, whelan....our leaders and still needed to bring the young guns through!!

pickett.....be gone!!!

btw.....if we finish last and get the number 1 draft pick we must get Kruezer....a ruckman/key position player rated very very highley and he has great skills and speed for a ruckman....he is an exciting prospect and will definately go number 1......BUT if we finish second last we must get Veszpremi, he is a sublime midfielder....breaks the lines and has silky skills!!! either way we will get a player that we desperately NEED!!! just a matter of what do we want??

ok....well i think i've raised some important points for all to think about and if these things are put into practice then we may be a very successful team alot earlier than we may expect!!!

 

[master bate]

How can any Melbourne supporter want to get rid of Neitz and Robbo. Neitz is the heart and soul of the Melbourne football club and when he plays 300 games it will be a great day. Robbo does put in incosistent performances but he is a genuine goal kicker, and he always gives his all, you never see him stop leading or competing, its not his fault that sometimes he gets worse delivery than the full forward at the local under 12's club.

I thought my suggestion of resting our good players and playing all the duds and young players to ensure we come out next year ready to go was against the spirit of the club but getting rid of Neitz or Robbo is just a disgraceful suggestion.

 

[Dirty Jamahl]

Agreed, we have to keep Robbo and Neita. Robbo annoyed me on Friday with his staging and diving and constant whinging to the umpire. At least he always shows passion. Dunno guys, really am at a loss after Friday. The first half for the first time in my life I was ashamed of the boys. I'll stick but gee its wearing thin. Where can we generate some passion?

 

[bringbackschwarter5]

Dont know how anybody can think of trading Robbo or Neita they have been the heart of the Dee's and have given so much. The same with Yze and we seem to forget when everybody was pleading for him to stay after Carlton offered him the big money.

 

[master bate]

My clean out
The delistings, 8 players have given us very little this year, if the club is tough all could go. It won’t get us overly high draft picks but I’m not convinced getting rid of top players is the way to go right now
Delist / Retire: Holland (too old and slow), Ferguson (injury prone), Brown (time is up), Neville (injury prone?), Warnock (not up to it)
Trade: Jamar, Miller, C. Johnson

So if we finish second last and don’t win 5 games we have picks 7 picks - 2, 18, 20, 36, 40, 41, 42 (last 3 traded for Jamar, Miller and CJ, is this what they are worth?). Then we promote Neaves. Making a total of 8 list changes.

Leaving this 22 (Is this a 22 that can go all the way?)

FB: Bell Carroll Whelan
HB: Wheatley Rivers Frawley
C: Johnstone McLean Green
HF: Yze Bate Bruce
FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White Jones MacDonald

Int: P. Johnson Bartram Moloney Sylvia


The future: Dunn, Petterd, Buckley, Newton, Neaves, Garland, Weetra + 7 young kids from pick 2 – 42, pace and a tall defender would be nice.
Depth players: Ward, Pickett (just gets another chance), Bizzel, Godfrey – these aren’t worth delisting as draft picks in the 60’s aren’t worth it.

Rookies: Hayes – Has talent, I’m in no position to see if he will get his head right, KEEP
Hughes – Good VFL player but struggles to play consistently, NOT NEEDED
Neaves – Handy young ruckman, PROMOTE
Bode – Looks a class below, NOT NEEDED
Then we rookie another ruckman, a tall backman and a super hard working kid

Carroll and Rivers might be struggling, another big unit would help but Holland and Ferg don’t look the goods. Bell and Whelan are very good defensively, Wheatley kicks well and Frawley moves very well and isn’t afraid to back his run. 6/10 (a real big backman would help, Frawley might be the man but won’t be ready for 3 years, he will get great experience playing smaller before stepping up)

The midfield is good enough, Godfrey is a good tagger but isn’t in the team if he isn’t tagging and Bartram can be a great tagger. McLean, Jones and Moloney add hardness, Johnstone and Green class, Bruce and Macca are solid. Jeff White surely has another strong season left in him and I think he is improving his tap work which was horrible after the new rule was put in. Paul Johnson won the Liston medal when he dominated the VFL so there is genuine hope he can do the same in the AFL 8/10 (another star would help…enter Sylvia, as would some pace = Buckley, Hayes?, Davey?)

The forward line is packed with goal kicking ability in Neitz, Robbo, Davey, Yze and Sylvia on the bench. Bruce is named but will play in the midfield, drifting forward. Bate plays CHF and can kick goals and lead up well. He’s not a big fella but the future of the game doesn’t revolve around a big CHF. Newton, Dunn and Garland have shown good signs 8/10 (a Jono Brown off 10/10)

Were does this leave us in 2008, I’d say with minimal injuries and after settling in with a new coach this team is capable of playing finals and is heading in the right direction. If the team fails then Yze, Neitz, Bizzel, Godfrey, Pickett and Ward could all go at the end of 08, more kids can come in and some older talent ie. Bruce, White can be cut from the list and we can go the all out Hawthorn like rebuild, but it’s too early to do that this year and the list is in too good a situation to remove all the quality.

 

[The Demon]

Retire:
Brown

Delist:
Ward
Pickett
Jamar
Neville
Warnock
Ferguson

Trade bait:
Bruce (for something good)
C.Johnson (for anything really)
Miller



Must keep:
McLean
Jones
Bate
Sylvia
Petterd
Frawley
Bell
Green
Moloney
Rivers

Good call! I agree with all except I would put Green up for trade.Not hard enough to help win a GF.

We need to trade for or groom a Power Forward IMO.

 

[demonfan9]

Get rid of Neitz, White, Robertson and Carroll? Our two best forwards, ruckman and full back? We might as well forfeit for the next five years.

 

[Dirty Jamahl]

My clean out


Leaving this 22 (Is this a 22 that can go all the way?)

FB: Bell Carroll Whelan
HB: Wheatley Rivers Frawley
C: Johnstone McLean Green
HF: Yze Bate Bruce
FF: Robertson Neitz Davey

Foll: White Jones MacDonald

Int: P. Johnson Bartram Moloney Sylvia

I wish but this is roughly the side we've had and they continually come up short. How many of these guys would get a game for West Coast?

definite- Johnstone, Neitz, McLean
probably- Bruce, MacDonald, Davey
maybe- White, Robertson, Whelan, Green, Moloney

Our list is a fair way short of being a contender, a genuine one. The current crop if everything went perfectly is a 5-8 ladder position side.

lets be honest, if we are to win a flag, the majority of our side will need to be turned over. I hate to say it but its true.

 

[CaptainDavey]

I wish but this is roughly the side we've had and they continually come up short. How many of these guys would get a game for West Coast?

definite- Johnstone, Neitz, McLean
probably- Bruce, MacDonald, Davey
maybe- White, Robertson, Whelan, Green, Moloney

Our list is a fair way short of being a contender, a genuine one. The current crop if everything went perfectly is a 5-8 ladder position side.

lets be honest, if we are to win a flag, the majority of our side will need to be turned over. I hate to say it but its true.

Maybe we need to stop this whole emphasis on individual talent. If you look at Sydney, in both 05 and 06 they were not the most talented team in the league, hands down it was the Eagles. Yet they were able to match it with them based solely on teamwork and determination to work together as a single unit.

I say forget sacking players and whatnot due to their inabilities to win games off their own boots in similar fashion to West Coast. I think it's time we focus on creating this team into a tank, a unit that is difficult to crack into

 

[Bateanator]

At the end of THIS year:

Every single person in our football department,OUT (Fagan, Daniher, etc.) things need to change to get rid of this stupid inconsistent and complacenct culture (As BMac said)

Player Departures: Nathan Brown, Clint Bizzell (retired)
Ferguson, Godfrey, Jamar, Pickett, Warnock (delisted)

Miller trade for 30-40
Yze trade for 30-40 (maybe higher?)
Ward trade
Possible trade Jamar to.

Keep Bruce and Green, IMO they are far too good to trade.

Have a core leadership group of Neitz, BMac, and Bell (forward, middle, back?) and then have players like Green, Bruce, Robbo, Wheatley and TJ playing consistently. Groom Newton for FF, Bate for CHF, Rivers for CHB, Carroll for FB, a somewhat questionable but otherwise relatively strong spine.

I think we COULD be a really good side if this happened.

 

[The Great Gabsby]

Maybe we need to stop this whole emphasis on individual talent. If you look at Sydney, in both 05 and 06 they were not the most talented team in the league, hands down it was the Eagles. Yet they were able to match it with them based solely on teamwork and determination to work together as a single unit.

I say forget sacking players and whatnot due to their inabilities to win games off their own boots in similar fashion to West Coast. I think it's time we focus on creating this team into a tank, a unit that is difficult to crack into

Could not agree more CD. I think a sydney style gameplan would suit our team perfectly.

We adopted that style last year and we played some of our best football for ages. I think you'll find that working together as a unit is far more potent combination than relying on one or two superstars (which melbourne doesn't have anyway).

 

[kylesut]

Yze trade for 30-40 (maybe higher?)
Ward trade

Trade Yze? Who the hell wants a 30 year old guy who hasn't played consistent, good football since properly 2005 - plus they just said on SEN that he has got a hernia injury, properly won't play for the rest of the season (thats what SEN says, Seven News says he won't play for at least 6 weeks).

I doubt anyone would pick up Ward either .... if he is cut at the end of the year I think he will properly play for Sandy for a few years.

Agree, if Daniher goes which is more then likely then the whole footy department should make an exit as well.

Godfrey, Wheatley, Ward, Jeff White, Ben Holland, Nathan Carroll, Roberston?

Get rid of White, Carroll & Robertson ... are you the most stupidest person I have ever meet? No offence but what were you thinking when you wrote that? Seriously, how can you comprehend getting rid of these players. Do you want to destroy our forward line by suggesting getting rid of Robertson an Neitz. How can we get rid of White. Sure I love No. 11 and think he will make a great ruckman but at the moment White is still good. Have a look at the knock outs against Richmond last week, sure we didn't win the game because of them but we did dominate in that area.

Who ever is suggesting getting rid of Bruce has half a brain as well .... I doubt he would be really worth much to other clubs really, hes 27 and the game is "going past him". To has he is worth experience and leadership (if he can show it) to the younger players of the team.

Let me show you something written about Cam Bruce on another Demon forum:

3 years he has been our most consistant our most damaging and our most prolific player....

But in ur eyes, Not hard enough... i wish i could be stuffed going to get all the stats for u idiots... but i cant.. so i willl generalise

Tackles- he is one of our most prolific players in tackles laid..
Hard ball gets- he was our leader in hard ball gets this season
Marks- Was and still is i think leading marks this season and was in the top 3 last season. ( go on say it.... "cheap possesions on the backline)
Bruce is one of the only midfeilders that has presented every game win or lose week in week out he leads up the middle of the ground presenting for our backmen.... dont belive me ... watch the sydney game classic example....

Bruces kicking has gone abit funny this year i will admit.... but the last 2-3 games it has been clearly not a big factor and many of u contiue to say it in ur weekly thought of the game.... is this just anger? or are u for real?

(Sorry about the name calling in this post but I was angry when I read the hogwash within this post).

 

[Philhawk]

I wish Sylvia played for the Hawks.

I know he wouldn't even be considered on the trade table, but if he was, i'd hope the Hawks threw the kitchen sink at him.

 

[LancePicioane]

You can give us Pickett.

Come home son!!!!!!

 

[kylesut]

I agree, he does have the potential to be a star ... and we see him doing great things once every month or two .... like on Friday night.

He hasn't given "his all" yet though ... which is very annoying and he is pretty inconsistent. If he doesn't take a spectacular mark or does something special .... he usually does nothing.

 

[DemonCambo]

Ok, now that Daniher will be leaving and a new coach will be coming in, we can speculate until the cows come home as to who it will be, however, that doesnt really matter.

It is obvious our list needs culling. Who should go and why.

I'll start by saying we should now be looking to offload Brad Green.

Why??

1. He is too inconsistent. He will pull a 30 possession game out about 3-4 times a season, but not do much in the rest of the games. Somebody with his talent should be getting a minimum of 25 touches a game;
2. Melbourne have no real champions amongst them, but have way too many players in the next band. Getting rid of Green starts that cull;
3. With plenty of football left in him, he is still worth something on the open market;

Trading somebody like Yze would be pointless now as he would be worth nothing in the open market. If you were going to get rid of Yze, it would have been 3 seasons ago.


Now I'm going to go out on a limb and say that personally Neitz is one of the most over-rated players in the AFL. How many times will he kick 6/7 in a week then struggle to get 2-3 a game for the next 4-6 weeks. His consistency is just not good enough to be classified as an out and out champion. He struggles to hold a chest mark (they always bounce off his chest). The only way he can hold a mark is by grabbing it in his hands.

I'm sick and tired of people bagging out on Yze. He does a very solid job week in/week out, but they are trying to make him the scape goat. Good to see the real culprit is now leaving the club.

 

[TelkoTheGreat]

Ok, now that Daniher will be leaving and a new coach will be coming in, we can speculate until the cows come home as to who it will be, however, that doesnt really matter.

It is obvious our list needs culling. Who should go and why.

I'll start by saying we should now be looking to offload Brad Green.

Why??

1. He is too inconsistent. He will pull a 30 possession game out about 3-4 times a season, but not do much in the rest of the games. Somebody with his talent should be getting a minimum of 25 touches a game;
2. Melbourne have no real champions amongst them, but have way too many players in the next band. Getting rid of Green starts that cull;
3. With plenty of football left in him, he is still worth something on the open market;

Trading somebody like Yze would be pointless now as he would be worth nothing in the open market. If you were going to get rid of Yze, it would have been 3 seasons ago.


Now I'm going to go out on a limb and say that personally Neitz is one of the most over-rated players in the AFL. How many times will he kick 6/7 in a week then struggle to get 2-3 a game for the next 4-6 weeks. His consistency is just not good enough to be classified as an out and out champion. He struggles to hold a chest mark (they always bounce off his chest). The only way he can hold a mark is by grabbing it in his hands.

I'm sick and tired of people bagging out on Yze. He does a very solid job week in/week out, but they are trying to make him the scape goat. Good to see the real culprit is now leaving the club.

Yer i totally agree there i have thought that we should have traded Brad Green for 2 about years now, the Yze thing is annoying to me the guy has accomplished so much: B & F, international Rules, All-Australian. Could have easily just left and gone to another club 4 years ago when in his prime and now that he is nearly 30 and has had some patchy form recently he cops majority of the fingerpoints.

What about guys like Travis johnstone holy sh**!!! and as you've stated Brad Green

Retire- Bizzell , Brown (loser)
Trade- Wheatley, Miller, Johnstone, Green
Delist- Ward, Holland, Ferguson

Hard to say what other players from other clubs will most likely leave, who has suggestions?

 

[stickman11]

Ok, now that Daniher will be leaving and a new coach will be coming in, we can speculate until the cows come home as to who it will be, however, that doesnt really matter.

It is obvious our list needs culling. Who should go and why.

I'll start by saying we should now be looking to offload Brad Green.

Why??

1. He is too inconsistent. He will pull a 30 possession game out about 3-4 times a season, but not do much in the rest of the games. Somebody with his talent should be getting a minimum of 25 touches a game;
2. Melbourne have no real champions amongst them, but have way too many players in the next band. Getting rid of Green starts that cull;
3. With plenty of football left in him, he is still worth something on the open market;

Trading somebody like Yze would be pointless now as he would be worth nothing in the open market. If you were going to get rid of Yze, it would have been 3 seasons ago.


Now I'm going to go out on a limb and say that personally Neitz is one of the most over-rated players in the AFL. How many times will he kick 6/7 in a week then struggle to get 2-3 a game for the next 4-6 weeks. His consistency is just not good enough to be classified as an out and out champion. He struggles to hold a chest mark (they always bounce off his chest). The only way he can hold a mark is by grabbing it in his hands.

I'm sick and tired of people bagging out on Yze. He does a very solid job week in/week out, but they are trying to make him the scape goat. Good to see the real culprit is now leaving the club.

Sorry to say but it is time for Neitz to hang up the boots. His output for 2007 is 1.9 average down from previous years. Doesn't offer the team much when he plays.