Climate Change Arguing

[bfff]

you mean there are not people getting elected to parliament - where laws are actually made - who believe in climate change?

s**t, I hope someone tells the Greens this news

What proportion of protestors are getting elected to parliament?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

What proportion of protestors are getting elected to parliament?

sigh

here's the thing with governments. Its not feasible for everyone to sit in parliament, so we elect these things called representatives

 

[bfff]

sigh

here's the thing with governments. Its not feasible for everyone to sit in parliament, so we elect these things called representatives

If you believe that the parliament is not sufficiently acting on climate change what other recourse do you have? What if you want to influence the actions of a sitting parliament?

 

[Demons09]

What proportion of protestors are getting elected to parliament?

If you believe that the parliament is not sufficiently acting on climate change what other recourse do you have? What if you want to influence the actions of a sitting parliament?

I would glue myself to art lol.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

If you believe that the parliament is not sufficiently acting on climate change what other recourse do you have? What if you want to influence the actions of a sitting parliament?

Easy solution, vote.

The notion that you can do "whatever it takes" to get what you want is disgusting and unacceptable in a democratic society

 

[bfff]

Easy solution, vote.

The notion that you can do "whatever it takes" to get what you want is disgusting and unacceptable in a democratic society

There needs to be a middle way between just voting and do 'whatever it takes'. People deserve to have a say when parliament is sitting, i.e. when they are actually legislating. There are people who have privileged access, by undemocratic means, to parliamentarians outside of voting. People who do not have such access deserve their chance to speak out too and this is why a robust right to protest is necessary.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There are people around the world blocking traffic, glueing themselves to items and damaging property.

Perhaps a smarter move would be peacefully protesting out the front of Chris Bowens office rather than annoying other people who are just trying to drive to work, who have nothing to do with our emission targets.

Yes they do, they're driving cars.

Merely existing equates to being an eco terrorist remember.

I'm an eco terrorist as the keyboard I'm typing on is made of plastic, and I'm using energy to type this post.

EVERYONE including climate change protesters are contributing to unlivable planet by merely existing.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Protest marches on climate don't work. They do nothing.
The next step is what's happening now .It doesn't damage any property, apart from glass on paintings and only holds up traffic momentarily. Not much trouble considering what is at stake.
The step after that is direct action where coal mines are sabotaged and coal CEO's are placed under citizens arrest.

Nuisance protesting rarely if ever works.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Nuisance protesting rarely if ever works.

Worked for Rosa Parks, Ghandi and Bob Brown. It works.

 

[bfff]

Worked for Rosa Parks, Ghandi and Bob Brown. It works.

Stonewall riots
Boston tea party
French Revolution
Women's suffrage
and on and on...

 

[Del203211]

Yes they do, they're driving cars.

Merely existing equates to being an eco terrorist remember.

I'm an eco terrorist as the keyboard I'm typing on is made of plastic, and I'm using energy to type this post.

EVERYONE including climate change protesters are contributing to unlivable planet by merely existing.

Let’s ban petrol cars.

LOL

Swiss mull EV charging bans

Switzerland the first country to look at curtailing EV charging as energy sources dry up

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[Kwality]

There needs to be a middle way between just voting and do 'whatever it takes'. People deserve to have a say when parliament is sitting, i.e. when they are actually legislating. There are people who have privileged access, by undemocratic means, to parliamentarians outside of voting. People who do not have such access deserve their chance to speak out too and this is why a robust right to protest is necessary.

Protest as much as you like, just dont jam it down other peoples neck. Even the god botherers go away when you close the door on them. Your lot dont.

 

[bfff]

Protest as much as you like, just dont jam it down other peoples neck. Even the god botherers go away when you close the door on them. Your lot dont.

Protest is fine as long as it doesn't annoy you?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Worked for Rosa Parks, Ghandi and Bob Brown. It works.

Rarely.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Let’s ban petrol cars.

LOL

Swiss mull EV charging bans

Switzerland the first country to look at curtailing EV charging as energy sources dry up

premium.goauto.com.au

LOL religious events apparently are a necessity.

The draft says that “The private use of electric cars is only permitted for absolutely necessary journeys (e.g. exercising one’s profession, shopping, visiting the doctor, attending religious events, attending court appointments).”

 

[Kwality]

Protest is fine as long as it doesn't annoy you?

I dont like people who NEED to jam their opinion down my throat.
More usually the problem is the religious zeal of the goose who feels the need to be so obnoxious, than whatever needs to be saved.

IF I dont want whatever you are selling, no thanks should be the end of it.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Even if 'protesting' manages to influence, humankind doesn't yet have the technology to immediately transition to solely renewable energy.

Even if we did switch over night (pretending it's possible) we have to mitigate other things like the use of plastics, manufacturing etc etc.

EV's have plastic and metal and other nasties like lithium batteries - all contribute to the imminent destruction of the planet.

Creating solar panels and wind farms, they use paint and metal, solar panels are not recyclable etc etc.

EVERYTHING we do and produce contributes to destroying the planet.

The only real possible way of staving off climate armeggedon >right now< is for every person on the planet to live off the grid. Back to the caves for us.

Unless someone of course has a gazillion answers to how we live like we do without destroying the planet.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Even if 'protesting' manages to influence, humankind doesn't yet have the technology to immediately transition to solely renewable energy.

Even if we did switch over night (pretending it's possible) we have to mitigate other things like the use of plastics, manufacturing etc etc.

EV's have plastic and metal and other nasties like lithium batteries - all contribute to the imminent destruction of the planet.

Creating solar panels and wind farms, they use paint and metal, solar panels are not recyclable etc etc.

EVERYTHING we do and produce contributes to destroying the planet.

The only real possible way of staving off climate armeggedon >right now< is for every person on the planet to live off the grid. Back to the caves for us.

Unless someone of course has a gazillion answers to how we live like we do without destroying the planet.

"We cant do it overnight so we shouldnt do it" is a piss poor argument.

 

[Carringbush2010]

"We cant do it overnight so we shouldnt do it" is a piss poor argument.

That's not what I stated, read it again.

Your comprehension is p155 poor.

 

[bfff]

Even if 'protesting' manages to influence, humankind doesn't yet have the technology to immediately transition to solely renewable energy.

Even if we did switch over night (pretending it's possible) we have to mitigate other things like the use of plastics, manufacturing etc etc.

EV's have plastic and metal and other nasties like lithium batteries - all contribute to the imminent destruction of the planet.

Creating solar panels and wind farms, they use paint and metal, solar panels are not recyclable etc etc.

EVERYTHING we do and produce contributes to destroying the planet.

The only real possible way of staving off climate armeggedon >right now< is for every person on the planet to live off the grid. Back to the caves for us.

Unless someone of course has a gazillion answers to how we live like we do without destroying the planet.

Our society, as it is, is incredibly fragile. We are reliant on the stability of the environment. The longer we wait to alter our behaviour and adapt the more radical the change is going to be.

The more radical the change the less control we will have over how we live. What do we truly value? Do you want to influence what changes or accept whatever comes your way? Do we choose the environmental impact of renewable energy rollout over the environmental impact of reliance on fossil fuels? Or do we reduce energy use? This is what is at stake right now. Kick the can down the road and choice will get further out of reach.

Protesting is a way of engaging in the political struggle. The fossil fuel companies know it's a political struggle that's why they have lobbyists. It is convenient for those who don't want change, to maintain the status quo, to deny that it is a political struggle. They don't want people protesting, they don't want to cede any power.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Our society, as it is, is incredibly fragile. We are reliant on the stability of the environment. The longer we wait to alter our behaviour and adapt the more radical the change is going to be.

The more radical the change the less control we will have over how we live. What do we truly value? Do you want to influence what changes or accept whatever comes your way? Do we choose the environmental impact of renewable energy rollout over the environmental impact of reliance on fossil fuels? Or do we reduce energy use? This is what is at stake right now. Kick the can down the road and choice will get further out of reach.

Protesting is a way of engaging in the political struggle. The fossil fuel companies know it's a political struggle that's why they have lobbyists. It is convenient for those who don't want change, to maintain the status quo, to deny that it is a political struggle. They don't want people protesting, they don't want to cede any power.

We have to have a seismic shift in how we exist. Period.

Just reducing energy use will not be enough, we have to cease manufacturing, just about everything we manufacture contributes to eco terrorism not to mention the process of manufacturing.

Just about anything and everything we do (read exist) is contributing to the planets destruction.

If we really wanna save the planet we literally have to go back to the caves, and will take of all humankind to buy into that.

Trying to maintain the way we exist while tackling the climate change won't do it, humankind needs to sacrifice its current way it exists.

 

[Kwality]

Our society, as it is, is incredibly fragile. We are reliant on the stability of the environment. The longer we wait to alter our behaviour and adapt the more radical the change is going to be.

The more radical the change the less control we will have over how we live. What do we truly value? Do you want to influence what changes or accept whatever comes your way? Do we choose the environmental impact of renewable energy rollout over the environmental impact of reliance on fossil fuels? Or do we reduce energy use? This is what is at stake right now. Kick the can down the road and choice will get further out of reach.

Protesting is a way of engaging in the political struggle. The fossil fuel companies know it's a political struggle that's why they have lobbyists. It is convenient for those who don't want change, to maintain the status quo, to deny that it is a political struggle. They don't want people protesting, they don't want to cede any power.

The hypocrisy of protestors ignoring China suggests few have any concept of what is going on.
Without China, India, Russia etc all the numbers run out by the climate change movement are nonsense.
Has the can being kicked down the road passed the point of no return ..... as in, who cares, nothing Australia does will make any difference.

 

[AM]

The risks of changing climate extremes are great and impact essentially all that matters to everyday Australians – from our food, water, health and energy security, to infrastructure, ecosystems, transport, insurance and tourism.

The satellite data mapping Australia’s new climate extremes

New University of Melbourne research is using data from satellites to help us better anticipate and adapt to climate change extremes in Australia.

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[metic]

The satellite data mapping Australia’s new climate extremes

New University of Melbourne research is using data from satellites to help us better anticipate and adapt to climate change extremes in Australia.

pursuit.unimelb.edu.au

just reading an article that has opposing information.

Global ‘Stilling’: Is Climate Change Slowing Down the Wind? | Tallbloke's Talkshop

Global ‘Stilling’: Is Climate Change Slowing Down the Wind?

This recent Yale Environment360 article came into focus today when Sky News headlined with: Future of renewable energy in balance as UK suffers wind drought – with ‘global stilling&#821…

tallbloke.wordpress.com

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[bfff]

just reading an article that has opposing information.

Global ‘Stilling’: Is Climate Change Slowing Down the Wind? | Tallbloke's Talkshop

Global ‘Stilling’: Is Climate Change Slowing Down the Wind?

This recent Yale Environment360 article came into focus today when Sky News headlined with: Future of renewable energy in balance as UK suffers wind drought – with ‘global stilling&#821…

tallbloke.wordpress.com

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If you look at the source article for the blog:

Global ‘Stilling’: Is Climate Change Slowing Down the Wind?

there is no disagreement, they are pretty much unrelated?