Being an ex world game and rugby player I don’t understand why once you go off you don’t stay off? Why does the game require players to retire to the bench for a *** and a shag before returning to the ground. Once off, stay off.
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Well that would definitely solve the problem. Although there are lots of interchange sports (basketball, hockey).
I've seen and heard a dozen confliciting reports on the rule. Is any injured player blocked from playing for 12 days? Because that's what 7 said before the game, and what I heard on ABC news at lunch, but not what I read on the AFL site or on here.
quotemokc
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I hate that in soccer and rugby.
Its such a bad look for umpteen players to sit on the bench all game then come on for the last 5 minutes with numerous players not even seeing the field.
Much prefer AFL and ice hockey style of players coming on and off.
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quotemokc
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So Brayshaw just said if they are subbed off without concussion then they are free to play next week.
Clearly not a concussion rule then is it?
Clearly not a concussion rule then is it?
Good thing we trialed the rule. Oh wait
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No it’s not. It’s called a medical sub and it’s for any injury.
It’s almost like the AFL have made this rule up on the fly and don’t really know themselves.
Incredible that the season is underway and we still don’t fully understand how the rule works and it’s consequences.
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It’s a massive conflict of interest because we keep hearing custodians of the game in effect they do not act like this.
They’re the custodians of the money in the game
Close enough to it.
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As I said earlier on this thread.... I dont mind having a 5th player on the bench on 2 conditions.
1. If the player has a concussion and doctors declare that player has a conclusion, that is final. That player can not return back to the game. Doctors are familiar with injuries.
2. If a player is injured with a broken leg or to the point that they need to head to the hospital, then that player is done and bring the sub in.
Yeah it's a controversial rule. I have seen iron Mike Tyson knocking out blokes in 1 minute.
If you play physical sports such as Aussie rules or rugby or boxing or Mixed marital arts, expect that risk to be injured or get your head belted.
1. If the player has a concussion and doctors declare that player has a conclusion, that is final. That player can not return back to the game. Doctors are familiar with injuries.
2. If a player is injured with a broken leg or to the point that they need to head to the hospital, then that player is done and bring the sub in.
Yeah it's a controversial rule. I have seen iron Mike Tyson knocking out blokes in 1 minute.
If you play physical sports such as Aussie rules or rugby or boxing or Mixed marital arts, expect that risk to be injured or get your head belted.
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Head high contact is rife in the game because of poor tackling technique and no onus any longer on the tacklee.
The head is sacrosanct edict is bullshit and always has been. It has long been interpreted as head is sacrosanct therefore contact to the head = free kick. Rugby at least have some common sense. You lead high and hit high, good chance you will get a red card. If you lead high at the player slips low or contact slips high you might get a yellow or just a penalty.
This was paid a free kick against Shannon Hurn:
WATCH: Is Eagles skipper Hurn in trouble?
The West Coast defender’s hit on Mitch Honeychurch saw the Western Bulldog taken from the field on a stretcher and taken to hospital.
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Was assessed by the MRO but no report. Every week you see players leading with their head into stationary players and being rewarded with free kicks. If Honeychurch is stationary and Hurn comes in and bumps the head it should be a long suspension. Like Michael Long in the 2000 GF. The game doesn't need that. If Honeychurch is putting his own safety at risk what is Hurn supposed to do? If you run into me I am going to turn my body to protect myself.
Meanwhile Trent Cotchin was let off for this (GF week):
Yes you can play unless its a concussion.
From what I saw tonight its way too big an advantage. The rest of the players were absolutely cooked from mid 3rd quarter, so you can actually gain an advantage by getting an injury later in the game rather than it neutralizing the situation.
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Head high contact is rife in the game because of poor tackling technique and no onus any longer on the tacklee.
The head is sacrosanct edict is bullshit and always has been. It has long been interpreted as head is sacrosanct therefore contact to the head = free kick. Rugby at least have some common sense. You lead high and hit high, good chance you will get a red card. If you lead high at the player slips low or contact slips high you might get a yellow or just a penalty.
This was paid a free kick against Shannon Hurn:
WATCH: Is Eagles skipper Hurn in trouble?
The West Coast defender’s hit on Mitch Honeychurch saw the Western Bulldog taken from the field on a stretcher and taken to hospital.
Was assessed by the MRO but no report. Every week you see players leading with their head into stationary players and being rewarded with free kicks. If Honeychurch is stationary and Hurn comes in and bumps the head it should be a long suspension. Like Michael Long in the 2000 GF. The game doesn't need that. If Honeychurch is putting his own safety at risk what is Hurn supposed to do? If you run into me I am going to turn my body to protect myself.
Meanwhile Trent Cotchin was let off for this (GF week):
if you watch the Cotchin game you would find that Ashbury was the player that concussed Shiel, but as usual the salt is flowing
If this new rule is going to be used like it was last night then the rule is a joke. There are 4 players on the bench for a reason.
A concussion sub for when a player can't continue and will miss weeks? Yeah ok, fair enough. Getting to bring a fresh player on because someone copped a minor knee knock? Stupid.
A concussion sub for when a player can't continue and will miss weeks? Yeah ok, fair enough. Getting to bring a fresh player on because someone copped a minor knee knock? Stupid.
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What odds Vlaustin is fine to play in R2.
You have 4 interchange to deal with 'knocks'.
It is laughable how people have just accepted that the game is no longer 18 v 18, but instead 22 v 22 as the coaches have made it with mass rotations.
Will be just like the 2011 version of the sub, it will be used tactically...if they haven't had an injury in first half a player will get a knock or tightness in Q3 and a fresh player will come on for the last quarter.
Should already be scrapped.
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Just make it that any subbed player can’t play for 14 days. Simple.
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I don't get why an injury needs to be deemed at least a 12 day injury in order for the sub to be activated. Absolutely pointless. Who cares if it's a 3 day or 12 day injury. The bottom line is the bloke is injured and can't take any further part in the match. The lack of rationale from the AFL is so frustrating. The 12 days is only for concussion as a safety precaution, so I don't see how this relates to other injuries. With that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Vlastuin plays next week.
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If being subbed out under this rule meant you had to sit out 12 days, like the concussion guidelines, it would make a bit more sense. Less incentive for the sub to be used on minor injuries. No doubt Vlastuin will play next week. The type of "injury" he picked up would happen almost every game.
The stupidity of the AFL here is honestly just incredible. They bring in the new man on the mark rule to speed the game up, but then also reduce interchanges. When the concern is raised that this may result in more fatigue and therefore more injuries, does the AFL bump up the number of rotations? No. They introduce another dumb rule change last minute that is open to exploitation.
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I agree with this. A game ending injury is a game ending injury, irrespective of the recovery time.
The issue though is where players are subbed out without a game ending injury. How do you police that? It's too grey.
Bluelegs
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I think non-concussed players are subbed out can play if they get a medical certificate from the club doctor confirming they are okay. So you can have Vlastuin subbed for a corkie and play the next week no worries.
Maybe its should be if injury sub occurs in the first half only?
Or the opposition gets to use the sub if injury sub occurs
Or the opposition gets to use the sub if injury sub occurs
Bluelegs
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If a player can be legit subbed for a corkie then imo anything goes. Every coach would find a player with some kind of tightness, bruising or fatigue and sub them off.
Awful awful rule change.
