News Coaching Thread: The Hardwick Era

[Suns of Anarchy]

Definitely not Ross Lyon

You've said Dew has lost the players.
Is it supposedly a personality clash, game plan, lack of opportunities, communication style?
Who would you want us to replace him with?

 

[SnusCG]

I said it elsewhere but Adam Yze would be the guy I would want us to look at. Success follows him and apprenticed under Clarko for 8 years

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Not sure he’s applying if there’s a vacancy…

In 2020 article.
Ross Lyon believes scrapping the Gold Coast Suns and creating a 17-team competition could help salvage the AFL as it faces its biggest crisis of all time.

 

[eppo67]

You've said Dew has lost the players.
Is it supposedly a personality clash, game plan, lack of opportunities, communication style?
Who would you want us to replace him with?

All of the above.

I'm not advocating anybody l just have an opinion who l believe is taking the group no where. As for Lyon he has shown traits of a coach which IMO would not progress the group.
Controlling. Can't take other opinions. Cuts out players and concentrates on weaknesses (Luke Ball and Jarrod Lyons are eerily similar). He is very hard to work under and treats staff poorly. Sounding familiar?
SO I'M TOLD.

 

[exile]

I said it elsewhere but Adam Yze would be the guy I would want us to look at. Success follows him and apprenticed under Clarko for 8 years

similar theme to dew, being an assistant at the swans for 7 years. untried head coach again? count me the **** out.

 

[Sun Stormer]

All of the above.

I'm not advocating anybody l just have an opinion who l believe is taking the group no where. As for Lyon he has shown traits of a coach which IMO would not progress the group.
Controlling. Can't take other opinions. Cuts out players and concentrates on weaknesses (Luke Ball and Jarrod Lyons are eerily similar). He is very hard to work under and treats staff poorly. Sounding familiar?
SO I'M TOLD.

All of that notwithstanding - he'd still be better than what we have now. These kids need a coach who will scare the sh.t out of them and make them into tough players which is currently not happening. I know the rules have made the contest a harder thing to make decisons on but I saw a lot of slight hesitation before making the tackle against NM. Take the risk even if you get suspended - the Lions have it down and so do Tigers, Geelong, Melbourne, Port etc. Test the limits and don't err on the side of caution. ...and maybe put Townshend in to stir things up. He's an ex Tiger and might just enjoy playing against his old team!

 

[SUNS]

Blake Caracella is one I would like us to pay attention to if the time comes

 

[Sunny_]

Who the hell can tell? Honestly?

I really thought Dew was it. 100%. He seemingly ticked every single box there was to tick, and yet it still hasn't worked. I'm honestly not sure what we should be going for if he doesn't see out next season.

 

[Happy Idiot]

Who the hell can tell? Honestly?

I really thought Dew was it. 100%. He seemingly ticked every single box there was to tick, and yet it still hasn't worked. I'm honestly not sure what we should be going for if he doesn't see out next season.

I don't think there's a way to tell. Aside from grabbing a four-time premiership coach and being certain you've got someone with a skillset to succeed, anyone one else floating around now is a crap-shoot. Lyon could easily be Rocket 2.0 while Yze could be McKenna/Dew v3. They all present pretty well I'd imagine.

We've lacked about three senior leaders/mature bodies (that can still actually play) for the length of our existence. Three players easily covers a team missing Ablett in the back half of 2014. And saves McKennas job. Senior leaders give Eade more to work with and probably more than 6 wins in the year he was sacked. Does it get us over the line in 3 extra games this year? Probably.

The solution is someone at AFL house solving the systemic issue that this type of player doesn't want to come up to us. Or if they do they are purely in it for the money. You solve that problem you solve THE problem. It needed to happen this year, honestly, now there's a sh*tshow ramping up again.

 

[robo_1]

Who the hell can tell? Honestly?

I really thought Dew was it. 100%. He seemingly ticked every single box there was to tick, and yet it still hasn't worked. I'm honestly not sure what we should be going for if he doesn't see out next season.

First person I would get is an experienced head of football and sack Haines today..

Ashcroft didn’t work and now Haines hasn’t worked

 

[SnusCG]

similar theme to dew, being an assistant at the swans for 7 years. untried head coach again? count me the fu** out.

the difference is who they apprenticed under.

Current coaches who worked under Clarko:
Adam Simpson: 1 premiership (still in contention this year)
Damien Hardwick: 3 premierships (first off year in the last 5)
Luke Beveridge: 1 premiership (still in contention this year)
Chris Fagan: Took a worse team than us to minor premiers and still in premiership window. (still in contention this year)
Leon Cameron: made a grand final in 2019
Brett Ratten: Took the Saints to the finals for the first time in years
Brendan Bolton: the only one out of the list who hasn't succeeded

Coaches who have worked under Longmuir:
Dew: doing nothing.
Shaw: quit after a year and a 17th place finish.
(guess which club both of them are at)

Yze took over forward coaching duties for Hawthorn in 2011 and took their goalkicking from 48% to 57%
he then took over their defensive coaching in 2014 and Hawks were the most structured defensive team in the competition during that phase.
Moved to Melbourne last year and now they're comfortably top of the ladder with a team that couldn't make finals last year.

All the above coaches who served under Clarko other than Ratten were first time coaches and have done incredible jobs.

The issue isn't hiring a first time coach. The issue is hiring the right first time coach, and for the most part, taking one of Clarko's assistants pays off.

 

[robo_1]

I think after last night kicking skills need a lot of work..

And probably unpopular opinion on here but while in Melbourne I’d reach out to Matthew Lloyd and get him down to training since he’s supposedly the goal kicking guru

Good analyst here yesterday on SEN


Strategy with Craig Jennings (1.7.21)
How Gold Coast can complement their coaching set-up in their search for consistency

Listen from 7.40 minutes

Strategy with Craig Jennings (1.7.21)

How Gold Coast can complement their coaching set-up in their search for consistency, why Richmond have fallen away, how Melbourne are the team to go through, and more.

player.whooshkaa.com

 

[Lord_Flashheart]

Pitchfork is back in the holster for now.

 

[The Victorian]

Noticed that Dew was coaching from the box last night?

 

[Mini GF]

Pitchfork is back in the holster for now.

They need to back up these sort of efforts and performances or I’ll be back for sure. An insipid effort against GWS and I’m back with full bluster.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Certainly didn’t play last night like the coach had lost the players. That last 10 minutes they threw everything at it.

 

[Lord_Flashheart]

Certainly didn’t play last night like the coach had lost the players. That last 10 minutes they threw everything at it.

And then hugging every single player that came into the change rooms afterwards.

 

[SUNS]

And then hugging every single player that came into the change rooms afterwards.

After training the other night, I don't think the fact Dew had lost the players was an issue. Their relationship seems incredibly strong.

Spoke to some of the senior players briefly, they put a lot of the issue we have at the moment is the younger players not having the confidence to play their role and take the game on. Certainly didn't look that way last night and we got the win. Be interesting to see how the rest of the year pans out

 

[Lord_Flashheart]

After training the other night, I don't think the fact Dew had lost the players was an issue. Their relationship seems incredibly strong.

Spoke to some of the senior players briefly, they put a lot of the issue we have at the moment is the younger players not having the confidence to play their role and take the game on. Certainly didn't look that way last night and we got the win. Be interesting to see how the rest of the year pans out

Good insight, we know that they are talented, just need to back themselves in.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Pitchfork is back in the holster for now.

Yeah, what am I going to do with all these wicker torches I made, maybe take em to a Sunday market down Carlton way

 

[The Victorian]

Good insight, we know that they are talented, just need to back themselves in.

And a win like the other night can really help boost this confidence!

 

[SandyToes]

As supporters we'd all rather go down fighting with creative and dynamic risky running footy rather than die by a thousand cuts with a slow contested down the line brand

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Certainly didn’t play last night like the coach had lost the players. That last 10 minutes they threw everything at it.

eppo67 not being an ass by tagging you I promise, I really respect you. Where do you sit with Dew and your opinions on him after seeing what we saw Thursday night? It showed me that whilst you may be correct and probably are in what you have reported, it's not black and white on his relationship with the playing group.

 

[eppo67]

Sorry not trying to deflect but they are not MY opinions it is what I am told. Definitely not everything is back and white but their are significant issues.
People still think Dew can change but his side kick is the one people are really worried about.
He needs to improve his relationship skills with players and staff and also needs to be honest in his conversations. Needs to deal with insecurity/jealousy issues with coaches that connect with the players.
SO I'M TOLD.

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Sorry not trying to deflect but they are not MY opinions it is what I am told. Definitely not everything is back and white but their are significant issues.
People still think Dew can change but his side kick is the one people are really worried about.
He needs to improve his relationship skills with players and staff and also needs to be honest in his conversations. Needs to deal with insecurity/jealousy issues with coaches that connect with the players.
SO I'M TOLD.

Sorry I meant your opinion based off that stuff. It's fair to say you believe Dew and Haines gone is what's best right now because of what you know.

Interesting that Haines could be the bigger problem. As much as I loved that win so much it made everything that much more confusing haha