Roast Coaching

[IMNTJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Didn't OP tear up his membership a month ago?

You're always talking so much in this place, and it is obvious to see that you think so highly of yourself. I got news for you buddy, using big words all over the place doesn't make you any smarter, it just shows how much of a ******** you are.

Get over yourself idiot

 

[Clay Davis]

I haven't liked a debut that much since Barlow.

 

[yakka man]

I am sick of us giving up in the last quarter, it is so weak. But it's easy to criticize; what about the decision to move Hill to Shaw? Hill only had 15 touches but they were of much better quality then they have been over the past month and Shaw only had 8. And they Finally move Lower to the midfileld and what happens? He dominates.

 

[prattsta]

I haven't liked a debut that much since Barlow.

Really needed to add a matching avatar IMO. That would've put it over the edge.

 

[IMNTJUNGLEMUFFIN]

I cannot make a profile picture for the first week, otherwise it would be this

Its a perfect match, because his picture is a cat with a helmet on his head, and in real life he has a different helmet on his head.

Its good to see how much of a Bullie this guy is, he picks on people all the time but when someone stands up to him, he doesn't have the guts to stand up or show his face.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Did I run over your dog or something?

Love your name too, I'm just not sure if it's short for "I'MNOTJUNGLEMUFFIN" or "IMOUNTJUNGLEMUFFIN". Since it's obvious you aren't me, I can only assume it is the latter.

Thanks for the interest IMOUNTJUNGLEMUFFIN, but my backdoor doesn't swing that way, if you know what I mean. Unless of course you are a female between the age of 18 and 50, in which case, I'd have to say woman on top is my fav.

A/S/L?

 

[Nickos66]

LOL

Some people just don't cherish what free time they have.

 

[Selggad]

Apologies if it has been discussed elsewhere, but seriously WTF was Harvs thinking putting 2! spare men in defense. This defensive minded bullshit cost us the game against the Hawks and again yesterday. I honestly don't see the logic in it...

But we won...

Yeah definitely, the third was brilliant and the matchups and tactics were great until the last quarter. Maybe its just me then, I think he coaches too negatively at times.

That is a much better call.

 

[The Anchorite]

But it's easy to criticize; what about the decision to move Hill to Shaw? Hill only had 15 touches but they were of much better quality then they have been over the past month and Shaw only had 8.

Good theory, except Shaw was tagging Hill. Still got towelled up though.

 

[The Anchorite]

Have to admit I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see both Barlow and Pav in the backline at the start of the fourth. Having Barlow as sub and only bringing him on late when we're six goals up should have been a great psychological advantage. Put him in the middle and let him squash the rebellion with class.

 

[TIM_VUA]

Rubbish ,why would Harves admit to an error,Freo were low on troops with the injuries to Griff,Johnson,Roger and the kick to Pavs Jatz crackers and thelack of game time in Mcphee and Barlowe
Would be full of praise re the boys efforts and the way they held on.
Sydney were always going to come at us,thats the way they play,Harveys coaching and the boys efforts held them out
Great win over a side above us
Grab a life and recognise the win for what it was, a great acheivement

Yes it was and as usual some just aren't happy no matter what.
What if the coaches stuck with the same structures and we went down,would of been hell to play for not changing anything.
Some players had limited preseasons and with the injuries we've had,those players would of lost some or a lot of their fitness so its no surprise to me its happening.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

I absolutely agree with the sentiment of the OP.

Harvey and the side got a 6 goal buffer on the back of winning the contest at the coalface.

Didn't we get smashed in the clearances?

Whilst we still won, putting two spare men back at the start of the 4th put us behind the 8 ball at the stoppages, it invited a comeback.

By allowing the Swans to have two free men around the ball we were smashed onball, allowed the Swans to generate momentmum and almost pinch the game from us.

The only problem with this analysis is it is seriously flawed. Roberton's brain snap to kick to the corridor wasn't a coaching error. Ibbotson's handpass to the opposition and then losing his feet in a contest aren't coaching errors either. That's three of the five goals right there.

We also don't know whether he put one man behind the ball and then there was confusion because I reckon they didn't have both for the whole quarter.

 

[Freo4life]

Fair enough, I was probably a bit emotive in the op, but how am i dissatisfied with the win? I thought it was a discussion forum. I am simply concerned that Harvs thinks too defensively when we have a sizeable lead. I also appreciate those who play the ball not the man, it is good to hear others' perspectives.

 

[GordonGecko]

Didn't we get smashed in the clearances?

We got done by 13, smashed early but wrestled control back in the second and took that edge away in the third.

Basically gave up the knock in the last.

The only problem with this analysis is it is seriously flawed.

It's entirely logical, your broad statement means nothing.

Roberton's brain snap to kick to the corridor wasn't a coaching error. Ibbotson's handpass to the opposition and then losing his feet in a contest aren't coaching errors either. That's three of the five goals right there.

Sydney had something like 20 inside 50's in the last, that builds pressure, pressure affects decison making.

Out backline was forced to hold of attack, after attack simply because we had given up the ghost onball.

Allow an opponent to build momentum they will take it, a consequence of momentum is panic the other way.

Pretty evident that was the case on Sunday.

We also don't know whether he put one man behind the ball and then there was confusion because I reckon they didn't have both for the whole quarter.

Harvey started with two behind the ball, you could see it in the panning shots from the stoppages and all commentators made reference to it.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

Im hoping Harvey has a bigger picture in mind, like if we can keep practising this (and hopefully still winning), and then get it right, we can lock down teams properly (ala St Kilda) when its needed.

 

[Alfonz]

I can see the frustration at the last quarter, and I'd prefer not to play so defensively, but I'm not sure our gameplan was completely to blame for the fadeout. Sydney started to get some 50/50 decisions which resulted in goals ... I counted 3 which went in favour of the player who had the disposal prior to the goal. This evened out the 3-4 decisions which gave us a lead that was probably deceiving. Then you have Ibbo with his ridiculous handball. That is most of Sydney's score for the quarter, which had little to do with our numbers behind the ball.

Mayne had a snap at goal early in the last, where numbers behind the ball meant the field was empty at the other end, and actually helped us spread the length of the ground quickly. If he kicks that and breaks it open to 44 points ... could have been a completely different story and seen us win by 50 points. Sometimes it is a fine line.

 

[E Shed]

Yeah I thought we controlled the tempo quite well for the first 10 minutes or so. Just a couple of brainfades then the panic set in and the Swans grew another leg with the crowd behind them.

 

[sabre_ac]

I don't think Harvey is the greatest game day coach going around, but development wise he's right up their with the best.

Give me a coach who can get the best out of his players and spot the "diamonds in the rough" any day.

 

[malpaso]

I don't think Harvey is the greatest game day coach going around, but development wise he's right up their with the best.

Give me a coach who can get the best out of his players and spot the "diamonds in the rough" any day.

Interesting point. I guess that's what assistant coaches are for, to bolster the group wherever it's needed.

I agree, I'd rather an excellent and overturning player group as the tactics can be applied any time and you need good players in order to execute any game plan.

 

[theGav56]

The only problem with this analysis is it is seriously flawed. Roberton's brain snap to kick to the corridor wasn't a coaching error. Ibbotson's handpass to the opposition and then losing his feet in a contest aren't coaching errors either. That's three of the five goals right there.

We also don't know whether he put one man behind the ball and then there was confusion because I reckon they didn't have both for the whole quarter.

I think it is inviting a comeback as well.

Playing one or a couple of extra guys in defence ensures that the game is predominantly going to be played in that area of the ground. You have fewer players to kick to up the ground, and opposition players filling every available gaol. If it was dry and therefore easier to keep possession maybe, but in wet weather slipping over and skill errors are always going to increase.

It is also a big revearsal of the gameplan that the team has been executing well, which carries risk. If you are dealing with strong winds giving a 3-4 goal advantage, I get it. But in wet slodge, it bemuses me, but I am sure he had his reasons, and all's well that ends well.

 

[theGav56]

I don't think Harvey is the greatest game day coach going around, but development wise he's right up their with the best.

Give me a coach who can get the best out of his players and spot the "diamonds in the rough" any day.

My preference is to have a Senior Coach who is a good/great gameday coach (something we have never had), and assistants who are great at developing players, assistants who can specialise in aspects of the game (midfield, backline etc) and recruiters who can spot diamonds in the rough.

 

[sabre_ac]

My preference is to have a Senior Coach who is a good/great gameday coach (something we have never had), and assistants who are great at developing players, assistants who can specialise in aspects of the game (midfield, backline etc) and recruiters who can spot diamonds in the rough.

I'd argue that Neesham and Conolly game-plan and tactically were ahead of their time. It was player development and arrogance that was their downfall.

 

[theGav56]

I'd argue that Neesham and Conolly game-plan and tactically were ahead of their time. It was player development and arrogance that was their downfall.

Fair enough, but as gameday coaches Neesham while ahead of his time was too idiosyncratic, and Connolly made some innovations but was failing to get the best out of the players, and some of that comes from his work on game-day.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

I haven't liked a debut that much since Barlow.

Like so many of our clubs great young talent who showed promise early on, Clive, Maher and Dodd (of the Brad variety,) he was sadly cut short in his prime, and taken from us far, far too early.

RIP IMOUNTJUNGLEMUFFIN.

 

[Selggad]

I'd argue that Neesham and Conolly game-plan and tactically were ahead of their time. It was player development and arrogance that was their downfall.

I think this is a good call, but neither of them were consistently good game day coaches because their thinking was a little too left field. Certainly good innovators and the sort of people who would make ecellent assistant coaches if their. Neesham could never be an assistant with his ego. Connoly, probably not either after a stint as head coach.

Back on topic, I do agree Harvey went too defensive too early, but I don't think he should be criticised too much. It could have gone either way. Everybody has already put up the different reasons and scenarios - Mayne's almost goal, the brain farts and bad decsions. I'd put money that if Hayden was still there he wouldn't have done that. I also agree that Sydney could get 5 goals in short time on a wet day after only scoring 9 earlier shows that the tactic backfired, but I'll take the win, hope the team and Harvey have learned a lesson, and harvey does learn, an move on.