Oppo Camp "Code Wars" discussion

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It has always surprised me that Catholic schools would resist an indigenous game in preference to a English one, probably sounds ridiculous to portray RU as simply an English game in this day and age, but like cricket it probably epitomised ' Englishness'.

Catholic priests whether they were Irish or of Irish heritage were in the vast majority in Australia until the last 20 years, obviously at some stage they got a real case of cultural cringe to chop out AF in Sydney and surrounds, perhaps it was a case of attempting to integrate Catholic boys into the upper echelons of Sydney society that made them do it, looking down on AF as a lower class sport or a sport that upper society in Sydney would not tolerate.

But for whatever reasons they were at odds with the GAA and general Irish sentiment who despised English games like RU and Cricket, considering the vast majority of their flock in Australia around those times and to post WW2 were either Irish or Australians of Irish decent it seems an odd path to take.
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In the 1880's,only the Catholic St Ignatius Riverview, in Syd., adopted AF as its first football code (very few Syd. schools played any organised football code then, AF was one of the first played). Within c. 7 years, dropped AF for RU-to play the other schools. All the other private schools, of various denominations, adopted RU from the 1880's.

Given that Australians of Irish Catholic background in Sydney & Brisbane etc were equally as fervent for Irish nationalism & independence as their counterparts throughout Australia, it is a mystery to historians why the northern Catholic schools, & adults, supported RU -& not AF. They were obviously aware of the Gaelic Athletic Association philosophies re specifically promoting Irish sports & culture -& definitely opposed to English sports.

From 1858 to c.1880, the main promoters & players of Melb. Rules/Vic Rules were Protestant "gentlemen", or from a middle class background -all who did not have to work on Saturday afternoons.
Those of Irish Catholic background were generally working class -& worked most of Sat., so didn't play AF.
When, from the 1880's, workers began to have most of Sat. off, these persons began playing AF in large nos. No one played sport on Sundays for many decades. There were some private schools, & adult comps., in Vic., SA, WA, & Tas. playing RU & British Association football (Official name for soccer up to c. 1914).
 
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Powerful incentive to up women's pay right there. Has the capacity to be an absolute star of the comp, and has the choice of 2 sports at an elite level.

However only one of them has a pathway that leads to the possibility of fully professional pay.

If she wants to be a full time pro athlete, then it's basketball, although most basketballers do not get there (but see Phillips $110k us contract).

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Very interesting news from the Netball World in the article below.
We noticed in another article the 3 Netball teams sponsored by AFL and NRL Clubs not being viewed very positively by the Netball State Authoritories, who basically want their power back. Sounds familiar, but thankfully is not the issue that once prevailed in our game.
We could throw in a famous Australian political phrase here. "Disunity is Death"

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/fued-threatening-to-tear-super-netball-apart/3168559/
 
Emily Bates from the lions has just tweeted a pic of her brand new Hyundai, gift from club sponsors, Hyundai.

By my reckoning, that's at least 4 Lions that have gotten a car from Hyundai.

Its an area other sports just cannot compete. The AFLs relationship with sponsors, and the ability of the club's to swing things like jobs is unmatched.


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Very interesting news from the Netball World in the article below.
We noticed in another article the 3 Netball teams sponsored by AFL and NRL Clubs not being viewed very positively by the Netball State Authoritories, who basically want their power back. Sounds familiar, but thankfully is not the issue that once prevailed in our game.
We could throw in a famous Australian political phrase here. "Disunity is Death"

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/fued-threatening-to-tear-super-netball-apart/3168559/
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Interesting example of what resulted in footy from the AFL Commission take over of the State netball bodies up the east coast - the State bodies may just see a similar result in their game with all power in a powerful national comp/body with TV money.
Can understand state bodies not wanting State comps go the way of the VFL or WAFL - imagine how Tassie would view it.
 
TWLS said:
Very interesting news from the Netball World in the article below.
We noticed in another article the 3 Netball teams sponsored by AFL and NRL Clubs not being viewed very positively by the Netball State Authoritories, who basically want their power back. Sounds familiar, but thankfully is not the issue that once prevailed in our game.
We could throw in a famous Australian political phrase here. "Disunity is Death"

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/fued-threatening-to-tear-super-netball-apart/3168559/
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My belief FWIW (without any firm evidence, just "reading tealeaves") is that some State Netball Associations want to control the current Board, & want it to curtail/ windback some of the players'entitlements (currently, averaging a wage c. $65,000 pa, per player -the best average in female sport, in Australia). Have Ch.9's ratings been below expectations for the new comp? Ditto attendances, sponsors etc.? Are netball regd. nos. dropping in 2017?
Why else would the Super Netball players' union response be so visceral, threatening strike action -& setting up an alternative comp.?

Perhaps some netball States are wary of the explosive impact the AFLW has had in year 1 -which will grow exponentially.
And perhaps these states have concerns the new Netball teams, Collingwood & GWS, will use their Brand strength, financial power, & marketing expertise to "infiltrate"netballs' huge female regd. nos.(Cross marketing arrangements exist); & might convert many of these females to start playing AF?

The growth of GR female AF in NSW & Qld. is providing community AF there with a much needed boost, from its relatively small base. More "critical mass"in community AF in NSW & Qld ie more families joining AF clubs, more volunteers, more expertise, more sponsors (inc. some sponsors who are primarily involved due to AF clubs having female players), increased fund raising -& a better culture.

Will the superior Collingwood & GWS facilities provide their netball teams with a competitive advantage, over the long term? Do the Sydney Swifts still use the Swans'facilities?

Community AF clubs became aware in 2016 about a widespread "whispering campaign". In some netball clubs, some netball officials & supporters are telling their female netball players "Don't play football, you will get injured, do you want to be part of the football culture". I suspect this may also be happening in female soccer & basketball teams.

The other female sports are aware they can't compete with the AFL general media exposure -& AFLW media profile in particular.
 
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Heard Liz Ellis on ABC radio (not Grandstand) in the last week on the subject, & the removal of Kath Harby-Williams from the board since then will add fuel to the disagreement :
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/89040cc8a240e1d11b19faff0620c95c

To hear how Liz explained the current shenanigans & miffed egos not keen on being sidelined, check out:
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2016/s4655431.htm

Remember these girls, & the sport of netball have no sugar daddy funding this, they are 100% at the mercy of the market.
 
The eight-team league ... hopes the TV deal will help close the gap to cashed-up rivals AFLW, WBBL and Super Netball.

Fox Sports chief executive Patrick Delany lauded the partnership which puts women’s basketball in Australia back on the map.

“For too long the league has been invisible with no broadcast partner,” Delany said. “Fans around the country will be able to watch these athletes live in action.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/b...WNBL back in the spotlight&itmt=1493148070007
 
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Deposed Netball Australia Director Anne-Marie Corby has warned that netball should not underestimate the threat posed by the AFLW.
She has also stated that netball participation is growing this year, following the introduction of Super Netball.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/netball...reat-and-calls-for-unity-20170426-gvss0s.html



The Age also reports that the:-
. VAFA has started its new adult female comp. with 1500 players (c. 6 weeks ago, it was reported that VAFA clubs had c.1,000 female players).
. Southern Metro Comp. has 1300 jnr. female club players, making it one of Melb.'s biggest.
. AFLW has created an explosion in female AF growth,"putting a huge strain on existing ovals and facilities".
This is causing the VAFA to approach Council to convert an underutilised 9 hole golf course into a 3rd oval, and for it to be a women's AF base- to cater for the burgeoning female football demand.

"Code Wars" could transmogrify to Council Wars to Greenie wars!

http://theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/h...elsternwick-park-boosted-20170427-gvtu2f.html
 
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Could not find any article but on morning Radio in Perth it appears that CH10 is highly unlikely to get the WBBL and BBL going forward when the current contract is up. It has a financial crisis it seems.
According to the word on the street a new combined deal will be done with CH9 and Foxtel.
Have to wait and see.
 
TWLS said:
Could not find any article but on morning Radio in Perth it appears that CH10 is highly unlikely to get the WBBL and BBL going forward when the current contract is up. It has a financial crisis it seems.
According to the word on the street a new combined deal will be done with CH9 and Foxtel.
Have to wait and see.
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Cricket & 9 partnership is under question, the cost too high for 9:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-...onsider-ending-long-time-cricket-deal/8471958

The Nine Network is being urged by bankers to end its long-time cricket coverage due to estimated $30-40 million yearly losses, placing Cricket Australia under a financial cloud.

How the FTA landscape is moving !
 
SEN Radio F. Leach Program, with Kate Sheehan (ex AFLW) & F. Federico (VAFA) 30.5

Sheehan said:-
. "500 new female teams have been created in 2017, this equates to about 12,500 new female club members".

."Auskick female numbers have been increased in 2017 by 20%".

.80% of Melb.'s sporting infrastructure was built before 1960, when females playing a wide variety of sports was not occurring. There is a shortage of ovals in Melb. for game days, & training, because of the increased demand from females.

."We're (community female AF -my words) now making inroads into soccer (community female soccer -my words)".

.Females dont like open showers & urinals in male change rooms -new female facilities need to be built.

F. Federico said some public parkland can be partially converted to create new ovals -but it can be done "sympathetically", be environmentally sensitive, not restrict public use, & keep the majority of the parkland untouched.

A Gold Coast jnr. AF female Club coach said they are recruiting many females from Touch Rugby. Many of these girls, however, because "they twist their wrists when throwing the rugby ball, they are also doing this in their ball drop. This is causing a big problem in their kicking action".
( I understand there is no kicking in Touch Rugby/Tag/variants etc -my words).

EDIT: Date should be 3.5; & "500 new teams"would be Aust.wide
 
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BringBackTorps said:
SEN Radio F. Leach Program, with Kate Sheehan (ex AFLW) & F. Federico (VAFA) 30.5

Sheehan said:-
. "500 new female teams have been created in 2017, this equates to about 12,500 new female club members".

."Auskick female numbers have been increased in 2017 by 20%".

.80% of Melb.'s sporting infrastructure was built before 1960, when females playing a wide variety of sports was not occurring. There is a shortage of ovals in Melb. for game days, & training, because of the increased demand from females.

."We're (community female AF -my words) now making inroads into soccer (community female soccer -my words)".

.Females dont like open showers & urinals in male change rooms -new female facilities need to be built.

F. Federico said some public parkland can be partially converted to create new ovals -but it can be done "sympathetically", be environmentally sensitive, not restrict public use, & keep the majority of the parkland untouched.

A Gold Coast jnr. AF female Club coach said they are recruiting many females from Touch Rugby. Many of these girls, however, because "they twist their wrists when throwing the rugby ball, they are also doing this in their ball drop. This is causing a big problem in their kicking action".
( I understand there is no kicking in Touch Rugby/Tag/variants etc -my words).
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I'd say that a want not a need. I dont exactly like them either but thats part of communal sport. Seems silly to spend millions on building new facilities, especially when other womens changerooms such as gyms are communal etc. As long as they're not forced to change with blokes or the opposition it should be fine as is.
 
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