Collingwood Depth Chart.

[mattys123]

Collingwood Depth Chart.
Ok. Got this idea out of the Jarrad Blight thread here on BigFooty, so I thought I’d have a crack at a depth chart, similar to the ones used by NFL teams to show the positional depth and order of their playing list.
Obviously an AFL list and playing team is made up completely different, and you can’t simply place a depth chart for each position, so basically I am going to cut it into categories.

Defense

6 players to be selected on field in defense, with 1 player on the bench, so consider the top 7 players listed here as “first 22” when everyone is fit and firing.

1. Simon Prestigiacomo
2. Nick Maxwell
3. Heath Shaw
4. Harry O’Brien
5. Alan Toovey
6. Nathan Brown
7. Tyson Goldsack
8. Ben Reid
9. Jarrad Blight
10. Jaxson Barham
11. Anthony Corrie

Midfield

The number of players on field in this category would be 6, with 2 on the interchange bench, most likely 1 resting/rotating ruckman and another pure midfielder. So the first 8 on here are in our best 22.

1. Scott Pendlebury
2. Dane Swan
3. Darren Jolly
4. Leon Davis
5. Alan Didak
6. Luke Ball
7. Josh Fraser
8. Steele Sidebottom
9. Shane O’Bree
10. Dayne Beams
11. Ben Johnson
12. Simon Buckley
13. Sharrod Wellingham
14.Cameron Wood
15. Ryan Cook
16. Josh Thomas
17. Ben Sinclair
18. Luke Rounds

Forwards

6 Players on field, 1 on the bench, making the top 7 here in our best 22.

1. Travis Cloke
2. Jack Anthony
3. Paul Medhurst
4. Dale Thomas
5. Tarkyn Lockyer
6. Leigh Brown
7. John McCarthy
8. Brent MaCaffer
9. Chris Dawes
10. Brad Dick
11. Sean Rusling.

Obviously, this number of players in each “category” could change, for example, you could drop Goldsack off the interchange and add an extra mid in O’Bree.


Also, if you wanted to design a "real" depth chart, you would place players who play in multiple positions in the lower section of another category as "backup" in case of injuries.


I just think this also gives us a fair idea of where our strengths and weaknesses are as far as positional depth.


Thoughts?

 

[loki04]

Collingwood Depth Chart.
Ok. Got this idea out of the Jarrad Blight thread here on BigFooty, so I thought I’d have a crack at a depth chart, similar to the ones used by NFL teams to show the positional depth and order of their playing list.
Obviously an AFL list and playing team is made up completely different, and you can’t simply place a depth chart for each position, so basically I am going to cut it into categories.

Defense

6 players to be selected on field in defense, with 1 player on the bench, so consider the top 7 players listed here as “first 22” when everyone is fit and firing.

1. Simon Prestigiacomo
2. Nick Maxwell
3. Heath Shaw
4. Harry O’Brien
5. Alan Toovey
6. Nathan Brown
7. Tyson Goldsack
8. Ben Reid
9. Jarrad Blight
10. Jaxson Barham
11. Anthony Corrie

Midfield

The number of players on field in this category would be 6, with 2 on the interchange bench, most likely 1 resting/rotating ruckman and another pure midfielder. So the first 8 on here are in our best 22.

1. Scott Pendlebury
2. Dane Swan
3. Darren Jolly
4. Leon Davis
5. Alan Didak
6. Luke Ball
7. Josh Fraser
8. Steele Sidebottom
9. Shane O’Bree
10. Dayne Beams
11. Ben Johnson
12. Simon Buckley
13. Sharrod Wellingham
14.Cameron Wood
15. Ryan Cook
16. Josh Thomas
17. Ben Sinclair
18. Luke Rounds

Forwards

6 Players on field, 1 on the bench, making the top 7 here in our best 22.

1. Travis Cloke
2. Jack Anthony
3. Paul Medhurst
4. Dale Thomas
5. Tarkyn Lockyer
6. Leigh Brown
7. John McCarthy
8. Brent MaCaffer
9. Chris Dawes
10. Brad Dick
11. Sean Rusling.

Obviously, this number of players in each “category” could change, for example, you could drop Goldsack off the interchange and add an extra mid in O’Bree.


Also, if you wanted to design a "real" depth chart, you would place players who play in multiple positions in the lower section of another category as "backup" in case of injuries.


I just think this also gives us a fair idea of where our strengths and weaknesses are as far as positional depth.


Thoughts?

I think it's subjective on who you see in the best 22 and who MM will actually play in the best 22.

But good bit of fun none the less, yours looks close to MMs. Personally mine would have a couple changes but meh each to their own.

 

[Pie eyed]

Some of those listed could inhabit more than one category too could they not eg. Tarks can play a bit of everywhere.

I don't Yoshi or Claye Beames anywhere there either...

 

[Old Spice]

Gulp, gulp, gulp...Burpppp...Aghhhh.

Damn that's good depth.

Might have put Buckley in the back dept, altough he plays mid as well, but the point is well illustrated that the depth is really very good ATM.

This should make stiff comp for spots if Mick gets a bit more medieval. He's got good rapport with players, but might need to pull out the stick a bit and become more ruthless if players aren't cutting it and VFL players are knocking at the door.

 

[Zahki]

Thanks for this. I don't think the actual order of the players is so important as the number who are AFL level. In the backs after the best 7 we have Reid, Blight and Barham, which is great I'd feel comfortable with any of them in the team (Just one though, not all 3 at once!). And that midfield list is massive, I don't think anyone would have any issues with having O'Bree and Beams as fall backs.

Would it be too one eyed to say that according to this list I think Collingwood might have the best depth of any club in the AFL?

 

[loki04]

Thanks for this. I don't think the actual order of the players is so important as the number who are AFL level. In the backs after the best 7 we have Reid, Blight and Barham, which is great I'd feel comfortable with any of them in the team (Just one though, not all 3 at once!). And that midfield list is massive, I don't think anyone would have any issues with having O'Bree and Beams as fall backs.

Would it be too one eyed to say that according to this list I think Collingwood might have the best depth of any club in the AFL?

Depends on how you rate certain players.

It is definitively the best we have had though.

 

[dima17]

I like the idea of a depth chart, but in reality guys like Beams and O'Bree are not going to play VFL just beacuse there may be '7' midfielders better than them. The way i see it, Half Forward Flankers, and to a lesser extent Half Back Flankers are nowdays "rotational" players as opposed to set defenders or forwards. So, i would have a depth chart in terms of rotational players.

 

[Old Spice]

I don't Yoshi or Claye Beames anywhere there either...

Bloody hell, just got stuck into the bounty in that thread, then wham! Closed. Was licking my chops and had tingly fingertips.

Special mentions to Smiddaz, Invigoration's 'moar' pic and the Brown Dogs excellent auto signature. And of course to Dave the Man, without whom none of this would have been possible. I'm interested a bit in Claye Beams.

 

[Barwick17]

Depth looks pretty good but not the best in the league by a long shot IMO - simply look at the forwards list (with John McCarty who is a pure mid if ever ive seen one). Our achilles heel in depth

 

[Heater39]

Beams is in our best 22, no doubt about it.

 

[Barwick17]

Add to that Tarkyn Lockyer who has lost a yard or two of pace and Leigh Brown who pinch-hits and can't kick for goal. Definate depth probs there

 

[Quicky]

I think it's subjective on who you see in the best 22 and who MM will actually play in the best 22.

But good bit of fun none the less, yours looks close to MMs. Personally mine would have a couple changes but meh each to their own.

That and where you see each players position. For instance I consider Didak as a forward, Barham as a midfielder etc etc. It's probably a bit rigid but gives an ok indication of our depth. Can't see O'Bree out of a MM 22 and don't like seeing Beams out of our 22 at all.

 

[Old Spice]

Depth looks pretty good but not the best in the league by a long shot IMO - simply look at the forwards list (with John McCarty who is a pure mid if ever ive seen one). Our achilles heel in depth

True, but could easily put J-Mac in mid group and put Leon / Didak in the forward to replace that smaller forward. We've got a fair amount of talls and smalls

 

[mattys123]

Beams is in our best 22, no doubt about it.

I basically agree, or I'd say that Beams or O'Bree are in our best 22, and if you look at my depth chart, you could move both Goldsack and Macarthy out of the 22 and bring in Beams and O'Bree, depending on matchups with the opposition that given week.

I think the one thing this shows is that MM must be excited by the continued development of his midfield, and you have to remember West Coast won a flag a few years ago with little else but a great and deep midfield.

Our depth looks pretty good, but will only get better over time.

 

[favourites]

Wellingham to the backs, Caff to the mids and Fraser to the forwards I'd even have Blight in the mids as well.

 

[Quicky]

Depth looks pretty good but not the best in the league by a long shot IMO - simply look at the forwards list (with John McCarty who is a pure mid if ever ive seen one). Our achilles heel in depth

Bit too far away to say right now but I think the forward line will be the focus of this years draft for us.

 

[mattys123]

Bit too far away to say right now but I think the forward line will be the focus of this years draft for us.

Almost no doubt about, we will be looking to bulster both our small forward and tall forward stocks over the next 2-3 years, because outside of the "normal" forward who play week in week out, we really only have Dawes and Rusling as tall support.

We are "ok" for small and medium forwards, mainly due to midfield players dropping down forward at times, but our tall forward stocks are a little low.

 

[swiftdog]

I don't believe in just forwards, mids and defenders anymore. Maybe a split like:

Key Forwards:
Travis Cloke
John Anthony
Sean Rusling
Chris Dawes

Outside Midfielders:
Alan Didak
Leon Davis
Paul Medhurst
Steele Sidebottom
Brad Dick
Sharrod Wellingham
Ryan Cook
Anthony Corrie

Dual Midfielders:
Dane Swan
Scott Pendlebury
Dale Thomas
Dayne Beams

Inside Midfielders:
Luke Ball
Shane O'Bree
John McCarthy

Defensive Midfielders:
Heath Shaw
Nick Maxwell
Harry O'Brien
Simon Buckley
Jarrod Blight
Jaxson Barham

Key Defenders:
Simon Prestigiacomo
Nathan Brown
Ben Reid

Stoppers:
Alan Toovey
Tyson Goldsack

Rucks/Key Utilities:
Darren Jolly
Josh Fraser
Cameron Wood
Leigh Brown

Utilities:
Tarkyn Lockyer
Ben Johnson
Brent Macaffer

As opposed to picking 6 or 7 players in each position maybe the coaching panel looks at choosing different combinations of player for different teams. Does a team have 1 or 2 big key forwards? Do they have hard-bodied or quick mids? etc etc.

Key Forward - Self-explanatory. Looking for bags of goals from these guys. Select up to 3 of these players.

Outside Midfielders - Or maybe attacking mids. Many of these players play predominantly forward a la Dick and Medders but coaches don't draft specialist forward pockets, hence, outside/attacking mids. All players drafted are expected to be able to play in the middle. Select up to 5 of these players, rotating through middle and forward lines.

Dual Midfielers - Or "true" midfielders. Play inside and outside, rack up the big numbers and deliver to our forwards. I'm hoping Thomas will play as a dual mid in '10. Select up to 4 per game.

Inside Midfielder - Specialist clearance winners, unfortunately probably don't have much of an outside game (not 100% sure on McCarthy). Select up to 3.

Defensive Midfieler - These guys play directly on the opposition goal-scoring threats and outside midfielders. They play a more defensive role than the other 3 midfield classes but players like Shaw and Harry O show that they can also provide rebound and attack through the defensive side of the middle. I was thinking of classing Harry and Maxwell as defensive utilities but decided against it. Select up to 4.

Key Defenders - Play on opposition key forwards obviously. Selection depends on opposition key forwards.

Stoppers - I couldn't think of a better name. Play a negative role on the opposition most potent goal-scoring outside mids. I don't think Toovey and Goldsack provide too much run like the defensive midfielders do, hence, stopper, hopefully they can add it to their game's in '10. Select up to 2.

Rucks/Key Utilities - Straight forward, play in the ruck and possibly rest in the forward line. Brown's probably the only one in this group who can play as a key back. I was thinking of classifiing him in his own group. Select up to 3.

Utilities - Stop-gaps, play wherever they're needed. Select up to 3.

I've probably put some names in the wrong postions, left out some of the rookies and players yet to play that I'm not 100% on.

 

[Duck River Pie]

Well thought out Swiftdog! Seems to me that you have a grasp on footy 2009-10 style where there are basically no positions and more into zones as you said!! Also a few could be interchangeable ie. L.Brown, Goldsack and others! Fingers crossed for Medders, lets hope he can have a blinder of a season!!

 

[smiddaz123]

Wellingham is a dual mid for mine. Plays both inside and out at a similar standard. Also would consider closer to the group with Maxwell, Harry etc than a pure stopper.

Other than that, fairly spot on imo.

 

[mattys123]

Great effort Swiftdog, it shows it is hard to "categorize" AFL lists in any way that is similar to the NFL depth charts.

Our game is too "mixed up" in that set positions are not really the "norm" and if anything we are moving even further away from a set position for most players.

Once again though, shows we have depth in most areas.

 

[DNine]

They have Depth Charts for all sides on Fan Footy,

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/players/depthchart.php?team=CO

 

[mattys123]

They have Depth Charts for all sides on Fan Footy,

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/players/depthchart.php?team=CO

Lol they do too, but they put Shane O'bree as a tagger , J-Mac as an inside mid, and Cook as a small forward.

Apart from that they didn't do a bad job.

More fun having a crack by yourself though, even if it was slightly different and maybe incorrect in it's design.

 

[On the March]

Compare our depth with the reigning premier in particular for those who think our forward line is a problem.

my Pies forward line contains at least 3 all-Australians and a B&F winner!

 

[Quicky]

Lol they do too, but they put Shane O'bree as a tagger , J-Mac as an inside mid, and Cook as a small forward.

Apart from that they didn't do a bad job.

More fun having a crack by yourself though, even if it was slightly different and maybe incorrect in it's design.

To be fair O'Bree does play a defensive inside midfield role of sorts, although not a true tagger. I'd consider J-Mac an allround or inside midfielder. Cook they just stuffed up